(07-31-2017 07:17 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Ty Madden - 2018 RHP Cy Ranch (Coach Pope's former player) flips to Texas. Huge loss. Extremely talented pitcher. Karlgaard needs to settle the uncertainty. It's killing recruiting. First Rivera (2019) and now Madden.

(08-01-2017 11:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Yeah I was surprised to hear this too. We do need to hire a quality new coach ASAP.

But then again, JK has had a lot to deal with as our staff turnover this summer has been very high (men's basketball, women's basketball assistants, a couple of football coaches, women's tennis assistant which still hasn't been filled or announced). And those are just the coaches (and I'm probably missing 1 or 2).

(08-01-2017 11:26 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Yeah I was surprised to hear this too. We do need to hire a quality new coach ASAP.

But then again, JK has had a lot to deal with as our staff turnover this summer has been very high (men's basketball, women's basketball assistants, a couple of football coaches, women's tennis assistant which still hasn't been filled or announced). And those are just the coaches (and I'm probably missing 1 or 2).

JK shouldn't have anything to do with those. His responsibility is the head coaching positions which seem to be a problem for both football and baseball currently.

(08-01-2017 11:41 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:26 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:20 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Yeah I was surprised to hear this too. We do need to hire a quality new coach ASAP.

But then again, JK has had a lot to deal with as our staff turnover this summer has been very high (men's basketball, women's basketball assistants, a couple of football coaches, women's tennis assistant which still hasn't been filled or announced). And those are just the coaches (and I'm probably missing 1 or 2).

JK shouldn't have anything to do with those. His responsibility is the head coaching positions which seem to be a problem for both football and baseball currently.

Agreed...unless, of course, we're hiring a coach in waiting for baseball. He simply has to make a decision regarding Wayne's contract situation ASAP. Until he does so, we're not going to find a quality assistant coach.

(08-01-2017 01:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Graham needs to be fired if he refuses to cooperate. You can still get a quality HC at this juncture. See Cannizzaro/MSU

(08-01-2017 03:17 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 01:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Graham needs to be fired if he refuses to cooperate. You can still get a quality HC at this juncture. See Cannizzaro/MSU

I strongly doubt that cooperation is an issue.

(08-01-2017 05:17 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 03:17 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 01:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Graham needs to be fired if he refuses to cooperate. You can still get a quality HC at this juncture. See Cannizzaro/MSU

I strongly doubt that cooperation is an issue.

I don't... he's stated he wants to be extended. Makes it hard to bring in a head coach in waiting that will takeover after next year.

(08-01-2017 05:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:17 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 03:17 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 01:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Graham needs to be fired if he refuses to cooperate. You can still get a quality HC at this juncture. See Cannizzaro/MSU

I strongly doubt that cooperation is an issue.

I don't... he's stated he wants to be extended. Makes it hard to bring in a head coach in waiting that will takeover after next year.

That's not a 'hc in waiting'... It's a lame duck current HC and a guy on the bench who can still leave you high and dry... and everyone puts a target on you to do just that.

You extend Wayne and name a successor/Associate Head Coach or whatever... and if Wayne keeps doing well and wants to keep going and the guy gets tired of waiting, you hire another successor. If Wayne doesn't want to stay and/or fails, you reassign him within the department and elevate the other guy.

That's how 'real' programs do it.... and Wayne's earned every dime for every sport on campus of whatever he wants to be reassigned to for however many years that is.

(08-01-2017 06:11 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:17 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 03:17 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 01:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Graham needs to be fired if he refuses to cooperate. You can still get a quality HC at this juncture. See Cannizzaro/MSU

I strongly doubt that cooperation is an issue.

I don't... he's stated he wants to be extended. Makes it hard to bring in a head coach in waiting that will takeover after next year.

That's not a 'hc in waiting'... It's a lame duck current HC and a guy on the bench who can still leave you high and dry... and everyone puts a target on you to do just that.

You extend Wayne and name a successor/Associate Head Coach or whatever... and if Wayne keeps doing well and wants to keep going and the guy gets tired of waiting, you hire another successor. If Wayne doesn't want to stay and/or fails, you reassign him within the department and elevate the other guy.

That's how 'real' programs do it.... and Wayne's earned every dime for every sport on campus of whatever he wants to be reassigned to for however many years that is.

Totally agree with this....but it needs to be done YESTERDAY.

(08-01-2017 07:28 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 06:11 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:17 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 03:17 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  I strongly doubt that cooperation is an issue.

I don't... he's stated he wants to be extended. Makes it hard to bring in a head coach in waiting that will takeover after next year.

That's not a 'hc in waiting'... It's a lame duck current HC and a guy on the bench who can still leave you high and dry... and everyone puts a target on you to do just that.

You extend Wayne and name a successor/Associate Head Coach or whatever... and if Wayne keeps doing well and wants to keep going and the guy gets tired of waiting, you hire another successor. If Wayne doesn't want to stay and/or fails, you reassign him within the department and elevate the other guy.

That's how 'real' programs do it.... and Wayne's earned every dime for every sport on campus of whatever he wants to be reassigned to for however many years that is.

Totally agree with this....but it needs to be done YESTERDAY.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I just received an e-mail from an Rice sports insider (and old timer) who said he had just heard that no announcement would be made until players and students return to campus later this month. One can only hope this info is not accurate.

(08-01-2017 11:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wayne's not killing the program... You guys need to get that out of your minds because it's insane. It's still by leaps and bounds the best program we have and any comparisons are laughable. If you want to argue that he's no longer a miracle worker and is returning to still be only one of the top 20 or so coaches in the game, that's fine... but the idea that there's another top 10 coach out there just clamoring for the job is a fantasy. Texas pays a coach whose best year has barely reached Wayne's LOWEST performance in the past 2+ decades more than we'd pay Wayne OR his replacement... and by a large margin. That same guy only stayed at Tulane, who is perhaps most comparable to us in many ways... for 1 year.

(08-01-2017 11:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wayne's not killing the program... You guys need to get that out of your minds because it's insane. It's still by leaps and bounds the best program we have and any comparisons are laughable. If you want to argue that he's no longer a miracle worker and is returning to still be only one of the top 20 or so coaches in the game, that's fine... but the idea that there's another top 10 coach out there just clamoring for the job is a fantasy. Texas pays a coach whose best year has barely reached Wayne's LOWEST performance in the past 2+ decades more than we'd pay Wayne OR his replacement... and by a large margin. That same guy only stayed at Tulane, who is perhaps most comparable to us in many ways... for 1 year.

(08-01-2017 11:38 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wayne's not killing the program... You guys need to get that out of your minds because it's insane. It's still by leaps and bounds the best program we have and any comparisons are laughable. If you want to argue that he's no longer a miracle worker and is returning to still be only one of the top 20 or so coaches in the game, that's fine... but the idea that there's another top 10 coach out there just clamoring for the job is a fantasy. Texas pays a coach whose best year has barely reached Wayne's LOWEST performance in the past 2+ decades more than we'd pay Wayne OR his replacement... and by a large margin. That same guy only stayed at Tulane, who is perhaps most comparable to us in many ways... for 1 year.

+1000
Hamebone, haven't seen eye to eye on every issue but you have hit the nail on the head. Wayne singlehandedly built this program! Clone Wayne and his doppelganger will have Rice (not the city of Houston) hosting the 2032 games here.

(08-02-2017 06:49 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:38 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 11:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wayne's not killing the program... You guys need to get that out of your minds because it's insane. It's still by leaps and bounds the best program we have and any comparisons are laughable. If you want to argue that he's no longer a miracle worker and is returning to still be only one of the top 20 or so coaches in the game, that's fine... but the idea that there's another top 10 coach out there just clamoring for the job is a fantasy. Texas pays a coach whose best year has barely reached Wayne's LOWEST performance in the past 2+ decades more than we'd pay Wayne OR his replacement... and by a large margin. That same guy only stayed at Tulane, who is perhaps most comparable to us in many ways... for 1 year.

+1000
Hamebone, haven't seen eye to eye on every issue but you have hit the nail on the head. Wayne singlehandedly built this program! Clone Wayne and his doppelganger will have Rice (not the city of Houston) hosting the 2032 games here.

Uh, Hambone, I'm quite positive you've completely misread what I've been saying. Never have I said the OG is killing the program. EVER. He IS the program in my eyes and is a living legend.

What IS killing the program is the uncertainty of the situation. Like Walt explained quite nicely...we have still yet to hire a replacement for Van Hook. And losing VH led to the loss of Rivera (2019). Now, we lose Madden...a hometown kid who played for Coach Pope. This is clearly a trend that wreaks of poaching by other schools that use the uncertainty against us. If JK doesn't resolve the issue of the OG's contract then this trend will continue.

(08-01-2017 11:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Wayne's not killing the program... You guys need to get that out of your minds because it's insane. It's still by leaps and bounds the best program we have and any comparisons are laughable. If you want to argue that he's no longer a miracle worker and is returning to still be only one of the top 20 or so coaches in the game, that's fine... but the idea that there's another top 10 coach out there just clamoring for the job is a fantasy. Texas pays a coach whose best year has barely reached Wayne's LOWEST performance in the past 2+ decades more than we'd pay Wayne OR his replacement... and by a large margin. That same guy only stayed at Tulane, who is perhaps most comparable to us in many ways... for 1 year.