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RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - Luckyshot - 07-17-2017 03:02 PM
(07-17-2017 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:(07-17-2017 01:46 PM)inutech Wrote:(07-17-2017 08:55 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: I am sure that lots of ingredients go into per-school bias, but my guess is that recent head-to-head experience is by far the most telling factor.
It is why WKU and Empty Sue will continue to get top billing by our fans -- at least until we finally one day can avoid having our clocks cleaned by the both of them. And it also explains why UTSA gets somewhat less respect from our fans than others, and why La. Tech fans are the least impressed by WKU's chances for a three-peat this year. (That theory does not explain, however, why La. Tech fans have us down at 6th position. I presume that is mostly a result of the Dawgxas/HotDawg stalker-level obsession.)
I think it's more likely the annual WKU and MTSU clock cleaning.
So we should put USM ahead of you in the West?
Yes. Yes, you should. Always :)
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - pilot172000 - 07-17-2017 03:03 PM
I got no issue with ODU. I think they are probably a bowl team with a serviceable QB. I ranked Empty Sue and WKU ahead of them because of familiarity. The rumor is that WKU and TECH will play each other every year for the foreseeable future because the game is highly marketable. I know their program well and vice versus. MTSU this year is similar to last years squad so I know what they have. We haven't seen an ODU team but once in our history and that was a couple of years ago.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - 12thmonarch - 07-17-2017 03:38 PM
(07-17-2017 01:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:57 AM)T-Mac Wrote:(07-17-2017 02:14 AM)Jack Bauer Wrote: I just don't see odu being that great. Probably bowl eligible. But not great.
After the Underdog Position Review (https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/6/25/15866510/conference-usa-preseason-position-reviews-the-final-tally-c-usa-east-west-old-dominion-la-tech), ODU ranked #1 in the conference. Granted, the two weaknesses (QB and LB) are pretty important, which is why I'm skeptical to pencil them in at #1. Overall, their talent is the best in the conference from top to bottom.The only position that potentially allows for other teams to make up ground is QB. With that said, ODU's QB battle is looking pretty solid. If we can come away with a game manager, our O-line, running game, WRs, and TEs should be able to carry the offense. Our defense will likely end up being the best in the conference.
Lol, says the guy from a team that's never even had a NFL draft pick. Talent no not even close but teams aren't made of individual talent if that was the case Tech would have won three straight CUSA with the most NFL players.
Pray to god that J'Mar smith ends up being good if not USM, UTSA and UNT might have a field day with you. As far as your talent remark goes yes we haven't had any individual contributors that were NFL draft picks yet but that might change next year. Remember how your NFL talented team has fared against lowly ODU.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - mturn017 - 07-17-2017 03:54 PM
Oh hey a Dawgsass post let's just take a look and see what he has to say.......
![[Image: ndTyQYK.gif]](http://i.imgur.com/ndTyQYK.gif)
Yep, same that always comes out
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - dahbeed - 07-17-2017 03:57 PM
(07-17-2017 03:38 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:(07-17-2017 01:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:57 AM)T-Mac Wrote:(07-17-2017 02:14 AM)Jack Bauer Wrote: I just don't see odu being that great. Probably bowl eligible. But not great.
After the Underdog Position Review (https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/6/25/15866510/conference-usa-preseason-position-reviews-the-final-tally-c-usa-east-west-old-dominion-la-tech), ODU ranked #1 in the conference. Granted, the two weaknesses (QB and LB) are pretty important, which is why I'm skeptical to pencil them in at #1. Overall, their talent is the best in the conference from top to bottom.The only position that potentially allows for other teams to make up ground is QB. With that said, ODU's QB battle is looking pretty solid. If we can come away with a game manager, our O-line, running game, WRs, and TEs should be able to carry the offense. Our defense will likely end up being the best in the conference.
Lol, says the guy from a team that's never even had a NFL draft pick. Talent no not even close but teams aren't made of individual talent if that was the case Tech would have won three straight CUSA with the most NFL players.
Pray to god that J'Mar smith ends up being good if not USM, UTSA and UNT might have a field day with you. As far as your talent remark goes yes we haven't had any individual contributors that were NFL draft picks yet but that might change next year. Remember how your NFL talented team has fared against lowly ODU.
Do football prayers work with God? Or do they get queued in behind the starving people and places where folks are getting arms chopped off by machete?
I always wondered that.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - SICemDAWGS! - 07-17-2017 04:06 PM
I think the reason ODU averages 6th in the Tech polls is simply that they're an unknown. Tech knows WKU and MTSU out of the East better than any other team in that division. Tech respects USM and knows what UTSA looks to be building. We don't know ODU outside of a game three years ago where our enigmatic team played one of those games and your team didn't give up when down at the half and came back to embarrass the team and our fanbase. I don't think it's intended as disrespect, but there just isn't any familiarity there with the oblong ball between our two schools, so we give our division rivals the edge and the teams in the East we've competed against and been in shootouts with recently the edge there.
To the talent point, just because you have NFL talent doesn't mean the results will show it. Whether it be schematic issues, depth issues, or weak links in the chain Tech has been unable to showcase how talented they have been on the defensive side. Despite NFL scouts taking a liking to the individual talent, the unit as a whole has not lived up to the talent level. Some of the better Tech defenses have been some of the less skilled as far as NFL talent, but they worked cohesively as a unit and within the system.
1. WKU
2. Tech
3. MTSU
4. UTSA
5. USM
6. ODU
7. UNT
8. Marshall
9. UAB
10. FIU
11. FAU
12. UTEP
13.Charlotte
14.Rice
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - inutech - 07-17-2017 04:13 PM
(07-17-2017 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:(07-17-2017 01:46 PM)inutech Wrote:(07-17-2017 08:55 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: I am sure that lots of ingredients go into per-school bias, but my guess is that recent head-to-head experience is by far the most telling factor.
It is why WKU and Empty Sue will continue to get top billing by our fans -- at least until we finally one day can avoid having our clocks cleaned by the both of them. And it also explains why UTSA gets somewhat less respect from our fans than others, and why La. Tech fans are the least impressed by WKU's chances for a three-peat this year. (That theory does not explain, however, why La. Tech fans have us down at 6th position. I presume that is mostly a result of the Dawgxas/HotDawg stalker-level obsession.)
I think it's more likely the annual WKU and MTSU clock cleaning.
So we should put USM ahead of you in the West?
If you think they'll finish ahead of us there next season, sure.
Maybe I should have just said, "it's more likely a result that we seem to be evaluating those teams higher than ODU" along with some mix of teams in the West.
Very few Tech fans are obsessing about ODU. So I don't think that's the reason for an overall ranking that's lower than you think it should be. That's all I'm saying.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - DETLTU - 07-17-2017 04:28 PM
I would love to participate, but I just have no fricking clue what is going to happen. USM, UTSA, and Tech could all win the west and none would surprise me at all. WKU, MTSU, and ODU could all win the east and it wouldn't surprise me at all. Any of those six could win the conference. Have no idea what to expect from the other 8.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - Dawgxas - 07-17-2017 05:09 PM
At this level of G5, talent is not going to win CUSA. teams do not have 22 potential NFL players such as Alabama or Ohio State that can overwhelm a team with talent alone.
Take ODU for instance they were able to take a mediocre squad and go 10-3 (albeit against one of the weakest schedules in FBS). Whether it is scheme, preparation, coaching they were able to beat 10 other mediocre to weak teams. A bowl and 10-3 with no NFL caliber players except, maybe Lawry and Pascal, that's impressive even considering the weak schedule
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - ODU BBALL - 07-17-2017 06:17 PM
(07-17-2017 04:06 PM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote: I think the reason ODU averages 6th in the Tech polls is simply that they're an unknown. Tech knows WKU and MTSU out of the East better than any other team in that division. Tech respects USM and knows what UTSA looks to be building. We don't know ODU outside of a game three years ago where our enigmatic team played one of those games and your team didn't give up when down at the half and came back to embarrass the team and our fanbase. I don't think it's intended as disrespect, but there just isn't any familiarity there with the oblong ball between our two schools, so we give our division rivals the edge and the teams in the East we've competed against and been in shootouts with recently the edge there.
To the talent point, just because you have NFL talent doesn't mean the results will show it. Whether it be schematic issues, depth issues, or weak links in the chain Tech has been unable to showcase how talented they have been on the defensive side. Despite NFL scouts taking a liking to the individual talent, the unit as a whole has not lived up to the talent level. Some of the better Tech defenses have been some of the less skilled as far as NFL talent, but they worked cohesively as a unit and within the system.
1. WKU
2. Tech
3. MTSU
4. UTSA
5. USM
6. ODU
7. UNT
8. Marshall
9. UAB
10. FIU
11. FAU
12. UTEP
13.Charlotte
14.Rice
I respect how you portrayed your rational there. Makes sense, and sounds reasonable.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - ThreeifbyLightning - 07-17-2017 08:23 PM
(07-17-2017 01:11 PM)dahbeed Wrote:(07-17-2017 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:(07-17-2017 11:29 AM)dahbeed Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:55 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:22 AM)dahbeed Wrote: That's what happens when you keep winning championships. Not that a Middle fan would understand or know anything about that.
Let him do a filter on the basketball poll and see if it came out 10/10 for first place. I honestly haven't looked. You think it's 10/10?
Appears your folk are a bit gun shy after being so bad here lately. I went fast and might of missed someone, but I only counted five votes (excluding one that was tossed out for trolling).
In spite of this, three of those five had wkcc first. One was #2 and the other was #4.
So more La Tech fans voted their football team #1 (62.5%) than Western basketball fans did (60.0%). Are their football fans pompous? They haven't finished #1 in football yet but still voted themselves champs. Western fans who have witnessed 2 years of steamrolling (21-1) are culpable because why?
At least Western gives you a reason to get up every day. Keeping (trying) us in our place. (First place. lol)
Yep, we should all just cancel the season and go ahead and crown y'all the champs. No reason to play the games I reckon. You've clearly earned this year's championship already.
This is just a friendly poll. That's all. Nobody will be crowned. Unlike the last 2 seasons when you listed myriad reasons that Western wouldn't finish first on the way to consecutive crowns. Two years ago you beat the drum of bad defense and last year you cried no Doughty. Both of those times you were wrong. But you're right this time. Put us at the bottom with Rice. No?
Wrong on a lot of accounts. As for your defense two years ago if you don't get the two UAB transfers (especially the D-Linemen) your defense would have still stunk. I never even contemplated what type of impact they would have. No one did. I guess it is better to be lucky than good sometimes. And you know this as well as I do that was a major factor in the defense being improved.
As for post Doughty, I never said you wouldn't win. All I said is that he would be hard to replace. Brohm showed just how good of a coach he is by turning White into something more than serviceable. Credit where it is due. I'm not saying he will or won't this year, but I think one of the top story lines is how well White plays without him. I'm not making a prediction. Just think it's an interesting story.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - Retroview1955 - 07-17-2017 08:31 PM
(07-16-2017 04:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Prepared to be shockedWe shocked yall back in 2014...
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - techdawg28 - 07-17-2017 10:24 PM
(07-17-2017 08:31 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:(07-16-2017 04:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Prepared to be shockedWe shocked yall back in 2014...
Look I'm defending that ODU should be pretty good, but y'all have an obsession with that game.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - Doots4Dawgs - 07-18-2017 12:01 AM
(07-17-2017 10:24 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:(07-17-2017 08:31 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:(07-16-2017 04:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Prepared to be shockedWe shocked yall back in 2014...
Look I'm defending that ODU should be pretty good, but y'all have an obsession with that game.
Yeah... Like, I am disappointed we lost that game... but I wouldnt say anyone was "shocked." We had already lost to NSU four games into the season. We were inconsistent. We underperformed in multiple games we should handle, but blew out other games. I accept that, we still need to work on that.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - ODU BBALL - 07-18-2017 06:35 AM
(07-17-2017 10:24 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:(07-17-2017 08:31 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:(07-16-2017 04:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Prepared to be shockedWe shocked yall back in 2014...
Look I'm defending that ODU should be pretty good, but y'all have an obsession with that game.
Nope. Not at all. Just giving an LA Tech fan who is obsessed with downing ODU while pretending like he is being fair and rational in pretty much all of his remarks a much needed history lesson. About 99% of the Tech fans come across as good and fair minded people with their comments regarding ODU, then there is this guy who pretty much never does. That's the real "obsession" here.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - Jack Bauer - 07-18-2017 07:28 AM
I think the reason I don't see odu being good is the fact the have never played is close. It looked like a high school tam trying to compete with us the last few times we played. Not trying to dog you guys just giving what I saw.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - odu09 - 07-18-2017 07:46 AM
(07-18-2017 07:28 AM)Jack Bauer Wrote: I think the reason I don't see odu being good is the fact the have never played is close. It looked like a high school tam trying to compete with us the last few times we played. Not trying to dog you guys just giving what I saw.
That's fair. We've never been able to compete with WKU on the field. We've also never had a full FBS team either until this season, and we get better every year. Eventually, given the trajectory of the program, we will compete and some are predicting we will compete this year. We shall see.
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - odu09 - 07-18-2017 07:50 AM
(07-17-2017 10:18 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote: 1. La Tech
2. MT (we lose the championship game at home to Tech)
3. WKU
4. USM
5. ODU
6. UTSA
7. Marshall
8. FAU
9. UTEP
10. UTEP
11. North Texas
12. FIU
13. Charlotte
14. UAB
I assume you had Rice at #10 instead of two UTEPs. Correct me if I'm wrong
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - odu09 - 07-18-2017 07:59 AM
First post updated. Here's the latest:
Update 7/18 900am
1. WKU 738 (27)
2. LT 729 (16)
3. MTSU 697 (8)
4. UTSA 605 (3)
5. ODU 599 (2)
6. USM 553 (1)
7. Mars 435 (1)
8. NT 402
9. FAU 376
10. FIU 246
11. Char 218
12. UTEP 197
13. Rice 168
14. UAB 127
Tier 1: WKU, LT, MTSU
Tier 2: UTSA, ODU, USM
Tier 3: Marshall, UNT, FAU
Tier 4: FIU, Charlotte, UTEP, Rice, UAB
Voters:
WKUFan518, mturn017, Hilltopper413, odu09, MarshallHerdFanz, techdawg28, Old Dominion, Blue Trombone, Luckyshot, TTT, LaTechBanjo, DaSaintFan, MoodyBlueRaider, wh49er, inutech, ODUi, Lizard Breath, EigenEagle, ATTALLABLAZE, AdoptedMonarch, goldeneagle21, ODU AGGIE, ODU2011, Side Show Joe, Noodles, 12thmonarch, Matt Murschel, Cnelson203, LeeistheKey, ThreeifbyLightning, Free bird, Collin Ellis, chidave, goliath74, LRP, dahbeed, WKUYG, RonBurgundy, Rojogrande, JCMiner, Magic95Fan, pilot172000, MinerInWisconsin, TribeNiner, Dawgxas, ESE84, Norm DaNiner, ODU BBALL, ntmeangreen11, Franko, ODU Oldtimer, owlcountry40, wkuhilltopperfan, WKUAlum92, HogDawg, Jack Bauer, KAjunRaider, SICemDAWGS!
Voter Fanhood Count:
ODU 11
WKU 10
LT 9
USM 5
Char 4
MTSU 3
NT 3
UTSA 3
FAU 2
Mars 2
UTEP 2
Rice 1
UAB 1
FIU 0
Other 2 (GaSouth, Orlando Sentinel Countdown)
We need someone from FIU to vote!!
RE: CUSAbbs Preseason Football Poll - ATTALLABLAZE - 07-18-2017 09:31 AM
keep picking us last. I like it. This will be a fun season.