(06-29-2017 11:25 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The unholy amount of money being poured into ludicrous pursuits like laser tag pavilions for football teams was brought up on the ACC board ( http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-821015.html ).



Am I indeed the only person on Earth who thinks the solution to this insanity is to institute facility spending caps and even coaches salary caps? At what point in this race to the financial bottom do we cross the line? In just 20 years we've gone from the million dollar head coach to the million dollar coordinator to the million dollar assistant coach. Are we going to start paying graduate assistants $400,000/yr too? At what point does a private Dave & Busters just for the football team seem like a crazy waste of money for an entity allegedly concerned with academics as its primary mission ... especially when the state and the taxpayer are the backstop, the loan facilitator, and in some cases even the piggybank for this sort of non-sense.

(06-29-2017 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps the best way to manage it is through donations?

(06-29-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps the best way to manage it is through donations?

I think you adjust limits on the number of scholarships (up) and set the ceiling on stipends and then stay the heck out of it. So the leveling of how many athletes you can have on scholarship and how much you can augment their time at the school levels the only aspect you can have some control over.

I don't think you can regulate any of the rest of it without an FBI like enforcement wing of the NCAA or P5 conferences being created. I think the abuses of that would be on equal footing with the cheating as far as how much further damage is done. So in other words the cure is as bad as the disease.

(06-30-2017 07:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps the best way to manage it is through donations?

I think you adjust limits on the number of scholarships (up) and set the ceiling on stipends and then stay the heck out of it. So the leveling of how many athletes you can have on scholarship and how much you can augment their time at the school levels the only aspect you can have some control over.

I don't think you can regulate any of the rest of it without an FBI like enforcement wing of the NCAA or P5 conferences being created. I think the abuses of that would be on equal footing with the cheating as far as how much further damage is done. So in other words the cure is as bad as the disease.

When I mentioned donations I meant from a fans perspective, if we don't like what we see we could stop donating.

Adding additional scholarships & increasing the amount of stipends only benefits the wealthiest & burdens the financially challenged P5 even more. I don't think we should develop an environment where only the wealthy can compete.

(06-30-2017 09:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  Now, if Alabama or Ohio State have fewer scholarship players, they will be just as good as they are now.

(06-30-2017 01:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I always get amused at these defeatist style threads. "We can't keep up with them because we lack the will so let's bring them down to our level."

(06-30-2017 03:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 01:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I always get amused at these defeatist style threads. "We can't keep up with them because we lack the will so let's bring them down to our level."

Yea, because total equality has been the outcome in the NFL, NBA, and MLB right? And all three have salary caps and all three have luxury taxes.

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(06-30-2017 04:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 03:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 01:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I always get amused at these defeatist style threads. "We can't keep up with them because we lack the will so let's bring them down to our level."

Yea, because total equality has been the outcome in the NFL, NBA, and MLB right? And all three have salary caps and all three have luxury taxes.

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Explain why one school should be penalized because they are better at raising money than others?

(06-30-2017 04:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 04:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 03:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 01:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I always get amused at these defeatist style threads. "We can't keep up with them because we lack the will so let's bring them down to our level."

Yea, because total equality has been the outcome in the NFL, NBA, and MLB right? And all three have salary caps and all three have luxury taxes.

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Explain why one school should be penalized because they are better at raising money than others?

Rollerball. Jonathon E must be defeated because the pursuit of excellence must be subservient to the corporate interests which are best served when only they have the ability to define excellence and mobilize the masses. Individual achievement and therefore the achievements of an individual unit must not be used as a standard since it calls into question the standards of all others. After all Kaplony excellence makes all other standards seem to be what they are, weaker. And if a person or system is made to appear weak it emboldens all offended by it to defeat it. Those entities that have seized control must always be perceived "too big to fail." And those who seize control usually do so by appeasing the masses which statistically speaking will always lack excellence.

(06-30-2017 04:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain why one school should be penalized because they are better at raising money than others?

(06-30-2017 09:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 04:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain why one school should be penalized because they are better at raising money than others?

Make up your mind. Either this is an amateur endeavor pursued by students ... or it's a farm league. If it is an amateur endeavor it's pretty indefensible for institutions of higher learning to be spending tens of millions of dollars on laser tag pavilions. If it isn't an amateur endeavor then stop the pretense of recruiting and replace it with a draft. Stop the pretense of degrees and have them not even be required to attend class. Hell, they don't at UGA or UNC already anyway.

If you want to parlay this demand for consistency into GT fans suck, that's a pretty amusing lack of argument. And, well, that's big words coming from the IPTAY boys who have all of one title to their names that wasn't bought in free cars for players. And still less than GT if you throw in the cheater title in the 80s.

(07-01-2017 08:08 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The amount of money being spent is ridiculous, but it will never change until the system collapses (sooner than later).

(07-02-2017 09:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  One might ask: why don't you see this level of "exorbitance" in facilities in the NFL?

You could say because it's 18-22 year olds you're dealing with.

But I think another valid argument is that facilities are a way that schools can attempt to make up for the fact that players can't be paid (more). So, top revenue programs like Alabama, Clemson, etc. can show recruits "we can't straight up pay you, but we can lavish you like you could never imagine".


I've seen coaching pay caps suggested before, but usually in the same thread someone shoots it down as being unconstitutional/illegal. No idea if that's really true, maybe no would really knows until/unless it's tried and challenged.


And then there's the following idea: either the NCAA, the conference, or in the case of public schools, the state, make it illegal to "subsidize" the athletic department. But even if you assume that, and assume it can be enforced, as far as this thread is concerned ... is that "good enough"?? Because then it still means that Alabama, Texas, Clemson, can indeed spend much more than Vandy, K-State, and Wake, because they bring in much more.