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Ohio State - Ewglenn - 06-05-2017 01:53 PM
Any chance Frank Martin would be interested in the Ohio State opening?
RE: Ohio State - JRsec - 06-05-2017 01:58 PM
(06-05-2017 01:53 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: Any chance Frank Martin would be interested in the Ohio State opening?
He's a coach and therefore a mercenary. So if the money is right, then yes. But Frank is a little different. His family is a priority and if his family likes South Carolina then it might not be. In college football Peterson is a lot like this because of a special needs child. I don't see him leaving Washington. But guys like this are the vast exception to the rule and the jury is still out on Martin until he makes a decision like Peterson did. Peterson had many offers to leave Boise. He took Washington because the environment was still insular and private and the pressure on the coach not as fanatical.
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-06-2017 08:51 AM
He's not moving. Just signed a big extension and South Carolina would match any offer.
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-06-2017 08:54 AM
(06-05-2017 01:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-05-2017 01:53 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: Any chance Frank Martin would be interested in the Ohio State opening?
He's a coach and therefore a mercenary. So if the money is right, then yes. But Frank is a little different. His family is a priority and if his family likes South Carolina then it might not be. In college football Peterson is a lot like this because of a special needs child. I don't see him leaving Washington. But guys like this are the vast exception to the rule and the jury is still out on Martin until he makes a decision like Peterson did. Peterson had many offers to leave Boise. He took Washington because the environment was still insular and private and the pressure on the coach not as fanatical.
In several of his pressers this year he mentioned the fact that he moved something like 19 times in his first 18 years. Has a son starting college and a daughter still in high school in Columbia. He's repeatedly said he doesn't want to move again and loves SC.
He also just got a commitment from a grad transfer from FAU yesterday and has another coming in for a visit this weekend; I don't think he would be out recruiting for the 2017 class still if his mind was elsewhere.
RE: Ohio State - Ewglenn - 06-06-2017 09:21 AM
(06-06-2017 08:54 AM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-05-2017 01:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-05-2017 01:53 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: Any chance Frank Martin would be interested in the Ohio State opening?
He's a coach and therefore a mercenary. So if the money is right, then yes. But Frank is a little different. His family is a priority and if his family likes South Carolina then it might not be. In college football Peterson is a lot like this because of a special needs child. I don't see him leaving Washington. But guys like this are the vast exception to the rule and the jury is still out on Martin until he makes a decision like Peterson did. Peterson had many offers to leave Boise. He took Washington because the environment was still insular and private and the pressure on the coach not as fanatical.
In several of his pressers this year he mentioned the fact that he moved something like 19 times in his first 18 years. Has a son starting college and a daughter still in high school in Columbia. He's repeatedly said he doesn't want to move again and loves SC.
He also just got a commitment from a grad transfer from FAU yesterday and has another coming in for a visit this weekend; I doubt his mind is elsewhere.
Money talks and I think he would listen. I doubt USC would be willing to match 4-5 million dollar offer for a basketball coach. It has never been done and I don't see that happening. Also in reference to the FAU transfer I don't know if you meant that in a boastful way but he isn't very good. I think he averaged like 5 points 1 rebound (or something like that).
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-06-2017 11:12 AM
(06-06-2017 09:21 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:(06-06-2017 08:54 AM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-05-2017 01:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-05-2017 01:53 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: Any chance Frank Martin would be interested in the Ohio State opening?
He's a coach and therefore a mercenary. So if the money is right, then yes. But Frank is a little different. His family is a priority and if his family likes South Carolina then it might not be. In college football Peterson is a lot like this because of a special needs child. I don't see him leaving Washington. But guys like this are the vast exception to the rule and the jury is still out on Martin until he makes a decision like Peterson did. Peterson had many offers to leave Boise. He took Washington because the environment was still insular and private and the pressure on the coach not as fanatical.
In several of his pressers this year he mentioned the fact that he moved something like 19 times in his first 18 years. Has a son starting college and a daughter still in high school in Columbia. He's repeatedly said he doesn't want to move again and loves SC.
He also just got a commitment from a grad transfer from FAU yesterday and has another coming in for a visit this weekend; I doubt his mind is elsewhere.
Money talks and I think he would listen. I doubt USC would be willing to match 4-5 million dollar offer for a basketball coach. It has never been done and I don't see that happening. Also in reference to the FAU transfer I don't know if you meant that in a boastful way but he isn't very good. I think he averaged like 5 points 1 rebound (or something like that).
SC would pay that. Martin just got an extension to 3.3 million and I doubt another 700k would be looked at as much of a dealbreaker.
Not a brag. The guy will be be a rotational player, but my point was he wouldn't have signed a guy if he was looking at Ohio State.
RE: Ohio State - AllTideUp - 06-06-2017 11:33 AM
If I'm Frank Martin, I'm not interested in OSU anyway. Matta did a very good job for a long time and he's out because he didn't make the tournament for a couple of years. I would say their expectations are way too high.
RE: Ohio State - JRsec - 06-06-2017 11:44 AM
(06-06-2017 11:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: If I'm Frank Martin, I'm not interested in OSU anyway. Matta did a very good job for a long time and he's out because he didn't make the tournament for a couple of years. I would say their expectations are way too high.
This, and the fact that Ohio State is not a basketball blue blood. Now if U.C.L.A. was offering 5 million you have to think about it. If Kentucky calls you have to think about it. If North Carolina calls you have to think about it. IMO the front runner for Martin isn't ready for him yet. If he stays at Carolina and wins at a high level even if he doesn't make another final four then I think Duke comes after him when Coach K hangs it up.
When was the last time a Big 10 school won a national title in basketball? The Big 10 is no longer a basketball coach's choice destination.
The SEC finally decided to put some of that football money to use to assist in Basketball. It paid off last year. I think it continue to do so. Martin stays put IMO.
RE: Ohio State - tcufrog86 - 06-06-2017 12:04 PM
I had to look since you asked...kind of hard to believe that the Big 10 hasn't won a title since Michigan State in 2000 (not counting Maryland's 2002 title since they were in the ACC).
They have had 6 national title game losers since 2002 though, lol. But it is kind of impressive that those 6 have all been from different schools...ACC is the only other league that matches that type of depth in teams making it to the title game.
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-06-2017 12:12 PM
(06-06-2017 11:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:(06-06-2017 11:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: If I'm Frank Martin, I'm not interested in OSU anyway. Matta did a very good job for a long time and he's out because he didn't make the tournament for a couple of years. I would say their expectations are way too high.
This, and the fact that Ohio State is not a basketball blue blood. Now if U.C.L.A. was offering 5 million you have to think about it. If Kentucky calls you have to think about it. If North Carolina calls you have to think about it. IMO the front runner for Martin isn't ready for him yet. If he stays at Carolina and wins at a high level even if he doesn't make another final four then I think Duke comes after him when Coach K hangs it up.
When was the last time a Big 10 school won a national title in basketball? The Big 10 is no longer a basketball coach's choice destination.
The SEC finally decided to put some of that football money to use to assist in Basketball. It paid off last year. I think it continue to do so. Martin stays put IMO.
Yeah, I don't see it coming unless one of those blue blood schools comes calling. And even then they will still have to pay a pretty penny because I believe SC would match just about anything if he keeps winning.
RE: Ohio State - JRsec - 06-06-2017 01:14 PM
(06-06-2017 12:04 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: I had to look since you asked...kind of hard to believe that the Big 10 hasn't won a title since Michigan State in 2000 (not counting Maryland's 2002 title since they were in the ACC).
They have had 6 national title game losers since 2002 though, lol. But it is kind of impressive that those 6 have all been from different schools...ACC is the only other league that matches that type of depth in teams making it to the title game.
Go back 30 years to see the real drought in titles they have had. Now if we are talking about depth, I think the Big 10 is the deepest conference in hoops in America. To be sure the ACC has depth as well, but not at the bottom like the B1G. What the ACC has is a stronger top tier lineup than anyone else. The SEC has a lot of work to do. It's our middle that is underdeveloped. The PAC IMO has faded to the same fate as the SEC only their top isn't as strong as our 2 or 3.
RE: Ohio State - tcufrog86 - 06-06-2017 01:24 PM
(06-06-2017 01:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-06-2017 12:04 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: I had to look since you asked...kind of hard to believe that the Big 10 hasn't won a title since Michigan State in 2000 (not counting Maryland's 2002 title since they were in the ACC).
They have had 6 national title game losers since 2002 though, lol. But it is kind of impressive that those 6 have all been from different schools...ACC is the only other league that matches that type of depth in teams making it to the title game.
Go back 30 years to see the real drought in titles they have had. Now if we are talking about depth, I think the Big 10 is the deepest conference in hoops in America. To be sure the ACC has depth as well, but not at the bottom like the B1G. What the ACC has is a stronger top tier lineup than anyone else. The SEC has a lot of work to do. It's our middle that is underdeveloped. The PAC IMO has faded to the same fate as the SEC only their top isn't as strong as our 2 or 3.
To be fair the PAC's basketball reputation has really always been boosted by UCLA's incredible run under Wooden. Outside of that Arizona is the only other consistent contender and they have drastically under performed in the NCAAs. The SEC really is boosted by Kentucky's incredible history, but the SEC is trending in the right direction...lots of investment in coaches and facilities.
Of course, nobody has under performed to the level of Kansas in the NCAAs.
RE: Ohio State - JRsec - 06-06-2017 01:36 PM
(06-06-2017 01:24 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:(06-06-2017 01:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-06-2017 12:04 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: I had to look since you asked...kind of hard to believe that the Big 10 hasn't won a title since Michigan State in 2000 (not counting Maryland's 2002 title since they were in the ACC).
They have had 6 national title game losers since 2002 though, lol. But it is kind of impressive that those 6 have all been from different schools...ACC is the only other league that matches that type of depth in teams making it to the title game.
Go back 30 years to see the real drought in titles they have had. Now if we are talking about depth, I think the Big 10 is the deepest conference in hoops in America. To be sure the ACC has depth as well, but not at the bottom like the B1G. What the ACC has is a stronger top tier lineup than anyone else. The SEC has a lot of work to do. It's our middle that is underdeveloped. The PAC IMO has faded to the same fate as the SEC only their top isn't as strong as our 2 or 3.
To be fair the PAC's basketball reputation has really always been boosted by UCLA's incredible run under Wooden. Outside of that Arizona is the only other consistent contender and they have drastically under performed in the NCAAs. The SEC really is boosted by Kentucky's incredible history, but the SEC is trending in the right direction...lots of investment in coaches and facilities.
Of course, nobody has under performed to the level of Kansas in the NCAAs.
The thing that has hurt the Big 10 is the now decades long plunge of Indiana. What in the 90's was a step down from the Knight years has slipped into a level of play less than mediocre. When the Hoosiers were at their peak they rivaled any of the top brands of the sport.
I agree about the post Wooden years for U.C.L.A. and its implications for the PAC. I still think the Big 10 is solidly the 2nd best conference in hoops but it is not performing at the levels it did in the 70's and early 80's.
RE: Ohio State - Ewglenn - 06-06-2017 01:55 PM
UCLA has history but hasn't been a factor for a long time. The SEC basketball reminds me of the ACC football. You have a consistent national front runner (UK, FSU) the teams that have made some noise and are always good (UF, Clemson) a decent middle of the pack but nothing major then everyone else.
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-07-2017 10:48 AM
(06-06-2017 01:24 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: To be fair the PAC's basketball reputation has really always been boosted by UCLA's incredible run under Wooden. Outside of that Arizona is the only other consistent contender and they have drastically under performed in the NCAAs. The SEC really is boosted by Kentucky's incredible history, but the SEC is trending in the right direction...lots of investment in coaches and facilities.
Of course, nobody has under performed to the level of Kansas in the NCAAs.
I believe the SEC has won 6 titles from 3 different schools (Kentucky 3, Florida 2, Arkansas 1) in the last 25 years. It's much better than people think. Not to mention the multiple final four appearances from the above schools plus SC and LSU
RE: Ohio State - tcufrog86 - 06-07-2017 10:58 AM
(06-07-2017 10:48 AM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-06-2017 01:24 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: To be fair the PAC's basketball reputation has really always been boosted by UCLA's incredible run under Wooden. Outside of that Arizona is the only other consistent contender and they have drastically under performed in the NCAAs. The SEC really is boosted by Kentucky's incredible history, but the SEC is trending in the right direction...lots of investment in coaches and facilities.
Of course, nobody has under performed to the level of Kansas in the NCAAs.
I believe the SEC has won 6 titles from 3 different schools (Kentucky 3, Florida 2, Arkansas 1) in the last 25 years. It's much better than people think. Not to mention the multiple final four appearances from the above schools plus SC and LSU
Arkansas hasn't won a regular season conference title since 1994 and hasn't made the sweet 16 since 1996 so while the national title is nice they aren't a national player in hoops.
What LSU needs is consistency, they seem to be very very good or average to below average.
RE: Ohio State - Gamecock - 06-07-2017 03:03 PM
(06-07-2017 10:58 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:(06-07-2017 10:48 AM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-06-2017 01:24 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote: To be fair the PAC's basketball reputation has really always been boosted by UCLA's incredible run under Wooden. Outside of that Arizona is the only other consistent contender and they have drastically under performed in the NCAAs. The SEC really is boosted by Kentucky's incredible history, but the SEC is trending in the right direction...lots of investment in coaches and facilities.
Of course, nobody has under performed to the level of Kansas in the NCAAs.
I believe the SEC has won 6 titles from 3 different schools (Kentucky 3, Florida 2, Arkansas 1) in the last 25 years. It's much better than people think. Not to mention the multiple final four appearances from the above schools plus SC and LSU
Arkansas hasn't won a regular season conference title since 1994 and hasn't made the sweet 16 since 1996 so while the national title is nice they aren't a national player in hoops.
What LSU needs is consistency, they seem to be very very good or average to below average.
Yes, my only point is there were dominant on the national stage over multiple years fairly recently. 6 titles in 25 years isn't bad for a conference that isn't known for basketball.
RE: Ohio State - JRsec - 06-07-2017 03:40 PM
(06-06-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-06-2017 11:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:(06-06-2017 11:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: If I'm Frank Martin, I'm not interested in OSU anyway. Matta did a very good job for a long time and he's out because he didn't make the tournament for a couple of years. I would say their expectations are way too high.
This, and the fact that Ohio State is not a basketball blue blood. Now if U.C.L.A. was offering 5 million you have to think about it. If Kentucky calls you have to think about it. If North Carolina calls you have to think about it. IMO the front runner for Martin isn't ready for him yet. If he stays at Carolina and wins at a high level even if he doesn't make another final four then I think Duke comes after him when Coach K hangs it up.
When was the last time a Big 10 school won a national title in basketball? The Big 10 is no longer a basketball coach's choice destination.
The SEC finally decided to put some of that football money to use to assist in Basketball. It paid off last year. I think it continue to do so. Martin stays put IMO.
Yeah, I don't see it coming unless one of those blue blood schools comes calling. And even then they will still have to pay a pretty penny because I believe SC would match just about anything if he keeps winning.
Yep it' only 1 behind the ACC and is well ahead of the Big 10. The Old Big East is a different matter.
RE: Ohio State - AllTideUp - 06-07-2017 11:19 PM
Report is out from SI that they've offered the job to Creighton's Greg McDermott.
RE: Ohio State - tcufrog86 - 06-08-2017 07:55 AM
(06-07-2017 11:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: Report is out from SI that they've offered the job to Creighton's Greg McDermott.
Will be interesting to see how he does at Ohio State, he never finished over .500 in any of his 4 seasons at Iowa State. His 1st four years at Creighton were good, but that was also with his son on the team.
Without Doug his Creighton teams have made 1 NCAA (losing in the 1st round) in the last 3 years.