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Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - JRsec - 05-16-2017 07:23 PM
http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
RE: Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU in 2 to 29 Days!!! - SMUfan - 05-16-2017 07:35 PM
(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
How many years ago was that?
RE: Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU in 2 to 29 Days!!! - texasorange - 05-16-2017 07:38 PM
(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
JR, I don't see the report. The only thing I see is there expecting tornadoes which is normal for Oklahoma. We're supposed to get storms down here in Plano/Dallas.
RE: Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU in 2 to 29 Days!!! - Captain Bearcat - 05-16-2017 07:38 PM
Boren has been saber rattling for years now, and nothing has happened. He's like the Kim Jong Un of conference reallignment.
RE: Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU in 2 to 29 Days!!! - Wedge - 05-16-2017 07:43 PM
(05-16-2017 07:35 PM)SMUfan Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
How many years ago was that?
2011. The screen crawl on that video is reporting the stroke suffered by Lee Roy Selmon just before he passed away in September 2011.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - billybobby777 - 05-16-2017 09:13 PM
(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - USAFMEDIC - 05-17-2017 12:09 AM
(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:Larry Scott was flying all the Midwest courting the Texas/Oklahoma schools. I guess he should have been given some guidelines as to what he could or could not promise. He looked a little silly.(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - Stugray2 - 05-17-2017 01:39 AM
There was definitely a disconnect between Scott and the Chancellors and Presidents. Once Texas and Texas A&M were out of the picture, effective Oklahoma State lost it's cover to get in the Pac-10. Scott, a TV guy and not an academic, didn;t seem to understand the problem OSU's R2 standing posed his members. When bundled with 5 R1 schools, including AAU schools like Texas, Texas A&M, and Colorado, as well as flagship Oklahoma, they were a tolerable addition. But when they were to be 50% of a package, that was -and still is- something that was never going to fly.
I can see how Oklahoma fans would be all insulted and such. But it's fundamentally a misunderstanding on both the Oklahoma side and Larry Scott what he was allowed to go for. I think had Scott been in charge of the Pac-10 for a longer period and understood the dynamics of his membership he never would have promised or implied in anyway that an OSU with OU package could work.
The remarks by Boren recently, and the leaks from OU sources, lead me to believe that the folks in Norman fully understand that they have to leave Stillwater behind no matter what conference they apply to. The state of Oklahoma does not offer enough resources to drag along a 2nd tier school like OSU. It doesn't matter if it's the B1G, the SEC or the P12. I don't think fans from Oklahoma fully comprehend the message. And Billy Bobby's family took it as personal, when it was strictly business. It's a reality; when Oklahoma leaves the Big XII they will leave Oklahoma State behind. David Boren understands this, the OU Athletic Department understands this. The fans don't.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - arkstfan - 05-17-2017 08:32 AM
I was a bit surprised that Pac-12 didn't roll the dice on the OU/OKST combo, would have put Texas in a serious crack.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - billybobby777 - 05-17-2017 08:44 AM
(05-17-2017 01:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: There was definitely a disconnect between Scott and the Chancellors and Presidents. Once Texas and Texas A&M were out of the picture, effective Oklahoma State lost it's cover to get in the Pac-10. Scott, a TV guy and not an academic, didn;t seem to understand the problem OSU's R2 standing posed his members. When bundled with 5 R1 schools, including AAU schools like Texas, Texas A&M, and Colorado, as well as flagship Oklahoma, they were a tolerable addition. But when they were to be 50% of a package, that was -and still is- something that was never going to fly.
I can see how Oklahoma fans would be all insulted and such. But it's fundamentally a misunderstanding on both the Oklahoma side and Larry Scott what he was allowed to go for. I think had Scott been in charge of the Pac-10 for a longer period and understood the dynamics of his membership he never would have promised or implied in anyway that an OSU with OU package could work.
The remarks by Boren recently, and the leaks from OU sources, lead me to believe that the folks in Norman fully understand that they have to leave Stillwater behind no matter what conference they apply to. The state of Oklahoma does not offer enough resources to drag along a 2nd tier school like OSU. It doesn't matter if it's the B1G, the SEC or the P12. I don't think fans from Oklahoma fully comprehend the message. And Billy Bobby's family took it as personal, when it was strictly business. It's a reality; when Oklahoma leaves the Big XII they will leave Oklahoma State behind. David Boren understands this, the OU Athletic Department understands this. The fans don't.
But at the time, EVERYONE took it personal, I think Boren, Stoops, Barry Tramel, the players, fans, boosters, and all of Norman took it personal as it was expected to happen. Scott said "no" to something that OU wasn't expecting a yes/no answer too. Larry Scott obviously approved it and at the last second changed his mind but in a very Weasley way.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - billybobby777 - 05-17-2017 08:45 AM
(05-17-2017 12:09 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:Larry Scott was flying all the Midwest courting the Texas/Oklahoma schools. I guess he should have been given some guidelines as to what he could or could not promise. He looked a little silly.(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
Yes. And he looked like a liar.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - Wolfman - 05-17-2017 09:04 AM
It does say 5 years ago in the subject.
My guess is the PAC told Oklahoma they could bring OSU if they brought Texas. Huge blow to Oklahoma's ego but they tell Texas they will go to the PAC with or without them. Texas calls their bluff and tells Oklahoma if they leave, Texas will go to the ACC.
Texas had some discussions with the ACC at the time. Serious discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. The ACC had been extremely good about keeping realignment discussions out of the press, yet news of the Texas discussions leaked. Possibly a move by Texas to add weight to their calling of Oklahoma's bluff?
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - RutgersGuy - 05-17-2017 09:38 AM
(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - DawgNBama - 05-17-2017 11:11 AM
(05-17-2017 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
I'll take one of the female virgins, lol.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - billybobby777 - 05-17-2017 01:11 PM
(05-17-2017 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
No virgins. Just an apology. I'm trying to describe the situation out there at the moment it happened. My Dad is a friend of B.T. and an OU wrestling booster. He knows 3 of the coaches including a big one in Stillwater too. He told me that OU and OSU were going to the PAC and was pretty excited about it. Then suddenly it was announced that OU was turned down and that just blindsided everyone. It's not something they dwell on now; it's like a "screw you then" attitude towards the PAC.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - TexanMark - 05-17-2017 01:22 PM
(05-17-2017 01:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-17-2017 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
No virgins. Just an apology. I'm trying to describe the situation out there at the moment it happened. My Dad is a friend of B.T. and an OU wrestling booster. He knows 3 of the coaches including a big one in Stillwater too. He told me that OU and OSU were going to the PAC and was pretty excited about it. Then suddenly it was announced that OU was turned down and that just blindsided everyone. It's not something they dwell on now; it's like a "screw you then" attitude towards the PAC.
At least they were not like Syracuse who was invited to the ACC and then uninvited and found out your cousin by marriage (VTech) took your slot and your close buddy (BC) lied about going.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - billybobby777 - 05-17-2017 01:25 PM
(05-17-2017 01:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:(05-17-2017 01:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-17-2017 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
No virgins. Just an apology. I'm trying to describe the situation out there at the moment it happened. My Dad is a friend of B.T. and an OU wrestling booster. He knows 3 of the coaches including a big one in Stillwater too. He told me that OU and OSU were going to the PAC and was pretty excited about it. Then suddenly it was announced that OU was turned down and that just blindsided everyone. It's not something they dwell on now; it's like a "screw you then" attitude towards the PAC.
At least they were not like Syracuse who was invited to the ACC and then uninvited and found out your cousin by marriage (VTech) took your slot and your close buddy (BC) lied about going.
Hahahaha....the summer of 2003?
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - TexanMark - 05-17-2017 02:05 PM
(05-17-2017 01:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-17-2017 01:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:(05-17-2017 01:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:(05-17-2017 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
hahahaha yeah sure. Should they also send a gift of 1000 cattle, 20 virgins and the spices of the west?
No virgins. Just an apology. I'm trying to describe the situation out there at the moment it happened. My Dad is a friend of B.T. and an OU wrestling booster. He knows 3 of the coaches including a big one in Stillwater too. He told me that OU and OSU were going to the PAC and was pretty excited about it. Then suddenly it was announced that OU was turned down and that just blindsided everyone. It's not something they dwell on now; it's like a "screw you then" attitude towards the PAC.
At least they were not like Syracuse who was invited to the ACC and then uninvited and found out your cousin by marriage (VTech) took your slot and your close buddy (BC) lied about going.
Hahahaha....the summer of 2003?
Yup...the high from winning the NCAA Title to the low of being left behind.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - JRsec - 05-17-2017 02:51 PM
(05-17-2017 09:04 AM)Wolfman Wrote: It does say 5 years ago in the subject.
My guess is the PAC told Oklahoma they could bring OSU if they brought Texas. Huge blow to Oklahoma's ego but they tell Texas they will go to the PAC with or without them. Texas calls their bluff and tells Oklahoma if they leave, Texas will go to the ACC.
Texas had some discussions with the ACC at the time. Serious discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. The ACC had been extremely good about keeping realignment discussions out of the press, yet news of the Texas discussions leaked. Possibly a move by Texas to add weight to their calling of Oklahoma's bluff?
The discussion was led by Deloss Dodds but it was contrary to what Oklahoma was feeling out on their own. Dodds wanted to take Kansas and Oklahoma with them along with N.D. to the ACC. It was why Clay Travis was floating the trial balloon of N.C. State and Virginia Tech to the SEC and why the SEC was discouraged from Oklahoma to go with A&M and encouraged to take Missouri.
Alledgedly (since all things that fail in realignment "never happened") both conferences would have moved to 16 with the 4 brands heading to the ACC to elevate its total status to being an equal to those of the SEC and B1G. The SEC was getting paid off with huge markets for the SECN. The ACCN would have followed in the next year or so after this move. When the deal ultimately was turned down by the ACC that's when Maryland bolted to the Big 10. They wanted the cash infusion the deal was going to bring. When that happened all hell broke loose.
OU signed a T3 with FOX, the SEC was given every effort to land full carriage for the SECN, N.D. seized the opportunity to get an independent deal like they had in the old Big East. Kansas got a perky T3 from ESPN and the GOR's were slapped in place because the networks, ESPN in particular had lost its advantage of surprise in taking the crown jewels of the Big 12 and landing Delany's White Whale. We're talking late 2010 here. A meeting between the SEC and Va Tech at the Greenbriar in W.Virginia sparked the dude's big push that the SEC was after the Eers. Corporate Jet tracking showed the SEC's plane had landed in W.Virginia.
To understand that mess is to understand the leanings in realignment today. The players may be altered slightly but the the key schools in question are still the ones that ESPN will want to use the ACC and SEC to go after. The question is how much leverage do those schools have in soliciting spots for friends.
I think Texas is off the table for the ACC as a full member, and probably as a partial if they can get an offer elsewhere to take other Texas schools with them.
Oklahoma is in play but trying to protect OSU and I'm sure any state's political system would want both of their state supported schools to have an external gravy train somewhere.
Kansas is a great #2 for either OU or Texas. But now FOX is in the mix too and this time they aren't going to be blindsided.
But for all the folks who say networks don't play the game and pull the strings and offer incentives or disincentives think again. They pay us to do what they want done and all the conferences offer in return are loose parameters. E.G. Louisville to the ACC. It's not a move that Tobacco Road might have liked, but it was the best business move the ACC had at hand. Lay it at the feet of Florida State for plausible deniability and voila. IMO you guys have had an upward trajectory ever since making that move, and it is a lesson we'll have to wait and see if the Big 10 was smart enough to learn. Their pursuit of OU seems to indicate that it was.
RE: Deja Vu 5 Years Ago Stillwater News 9 Expects a Move Involving Both OU & OSU - Captain Bearcat - 05-17-2017 06:25 PM
(05-17-2017 12:09 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:(05-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:Larry Scott was flying all the Midwest courting the Texas/Oklahoma schools. I guess he should have been given some guidelines as to what he could or could not promise. He looked a little silly.(05-16-2017 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: http://www.news9.com/clip/6220193/latest-on-big-12-realignment
I was visiting my parents at the time. Damn was OU pissed off about that PAC 12 snub afterward. The local scuttlebutt was that OU and OSU were gang to the PAC12.-and when it was announced that the PAC turned them down? Shock and Anger. OU felt so disrespected by that decision that I doubt it'll ever happen unless Larry Scott is gone and there's an apology!
If he was flying all over the "Midwest," then he would have missed visiting most of those schools!