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Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - SalRivs - 05-09-2017 03:55 PM
Per Mark Giannotto, Jalen Crutcher another PG Tigers won't get.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Hoots - 05-09-2017 04:01 PM
Dadgummit. And he was the missing piece we needed. Dang!
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - dfwtxtiger - 05-09-2017 09:19 PM
We need a shooter more than back up pg.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Stammers - 05-10-2017 09:19 AM
(05-09-2017 09:19 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote: We need a shooter more than back up pg.
We need a starting point guard. Martin would be a perfect backup.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-10-2017 11:38 AM
We never offered..
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - snowtiger - 05-10-2017 12:13 PM
Is that good or bad? I get confused on how I'm supposed to react.
I'm actually serious.
Here are some choices.
1. Are we upsetz because our staff didn't try?
2. Are we happy our staff was smart enuff to know Memphis didn't have a shot?
3. Are we thinking our staff has a plan, i.e. someone else in mind ?
4. Other
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-10-2017 01:18 PM
(05-10-2017 12:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Is that good or bad? I get confused on how I'm supposed to react.
I'm actually serious.
Here are some choices.
1. Are we upsetz because our staff didn't try?
2. Are we happy our staff was smart enuff to know Memphis didn't have a shot?
3. Are we thinking our staff has a plan, i.e. someone else in mind ?
4. Other
They didn't want to lock in a four year guy that they didn't think was good enough long term. He would have taken a Memphis offer.
Can't say I blame him. A 1-2 year guy? Definitely, but why tie up a roster spot for four years if he didn't think he was good enough...
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - EricSigEpTNBeta183 - 05-10-2017 01:41 PM
Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-10-2017 02:58 PM
(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memphisike - 05-10-2017 03:04 PM
Can he bust a Trey, if he can't we didn't need the Dude
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-10-2017 03:05 PM
(05-10-2017 03:04 PM)memphisike Wrote: Can he bust a Trey, if he can't we didn't need the Dude
He can't bust a layup.. next
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Stammers - 05-11-2017 01:11 PM
(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-11-2017 02:32 PM
(05-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
Oh yawn... this coming from some dude with no connections to the University. Just likes the team colors. Funny stuff! It's easy enough, if you don't like the product, don't watch. Lol
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-11-2017 02:33 PM
(05-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
Oh, by the way, he's recruiting Lomax hard. I'll bet you a lifetime banishment he signs with us.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Tiger87 - 05-11-2017 09:40 PM
(05-10-2017 09:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:(05-09-2017 09:19 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote: We need a shooter more than back up pg.
We need a starting point guard. Martin would be a perfect backup.
You're a stats guy. Take a look at Martin's number this year, benchmark him against some other pg's, then get back to us on this.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Tiger87 - 05-11-2017 09:47 PM
(05-10-2017 12:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Is that good or bad? I get confused on how I'm supposed to react.
I'm actually serious.
Here are some choices.
1. Are we upsetz because our staff didn't try?
2. Are we happy our staff was smart enuff to know Memphis didn't have a shot?
3. Are we thinking our staff has a plan, i.e. someone else in mind ?
4. Other
Staff decided earlier this year when he was class of 2017, that they didn't want to offer. Then he said he'd reclass to 2018, and they decided they would continue to evaluate him for next year. Still no offer. His hs coach indicated he would jump at a Tigers offer. Then he got the Dayton offer for this year and decided not to wait and reclass after all.
Staff just passed on him. It is what it is. Not that we didn't try. Not that we didn't have a shot. Not that we missed. We just passed and he signed. So a combo of 3 and 4.
He may turn out big and bring on the second guessing. Every Memphis coach in modern history has been through that game. FWIW, Easterwood indicated he was not a high D1 prospect.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Stammers - 05-12-2017 11:48 AM
(05-11-2017 09:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:(05-10-2017 09:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:(05-09-2017 09:19 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote: We need a shooter more than back up pg.
We need a starting point guard. Martin would be a perfect backup.
You're a stats guy. Take a look at Martin's number this year, benchmark him against some other pg's, then get back to us on this.
In the 7th best conference in the country, against the other 10 point guards.
AAC (11 members)
4 - minutes played
7 - points
5 - assists (tied with 2 others)
5 - turnovers
5 - assist/turnover ratio
1 - field goal percentage
9 - free throw percentage
10 - 3 point field goal percentage
ACC (15 members)
1 - minutes played (tied with 1 other)
14 - points
5 - assists
5 - turnovers (tied with 3 others)
6 - assist/turnover ratio
7 - field goal percentage
15 - free throw percentage
15 - 3 point field goal percentage
So statistically, Martin was an average point guard in the worst major conference in basketball. He does a couple of things very well, some average and some very poorly. He took care of the ball well and shot 2 pointers probably better than any other point guard in either conference. He was a horrible free throw shooter and horrible 3 point shooter.
From watching him play, he has 3 major weaknesses. The first is that he is a bad 3 point shooter, so he doesn't stretch the defense at all. The second is that he isn't able to penetrate at all, so he doesn't create many opportunities for others, and the third is that because of this, he holds onto the ball much too far into the shot clock, which puts enormous pressure on the offense, and often results in bad shots being put up by him and everyone else.
He also doesn't dribble very well with his right hand, but I did see him trying to more the last half of the season, and he did seem to improve a little bit.
All in all, I would say that Martin is a slightly below average D1 point guard. It seems that you are satisfied with Memphis being average, and you will be satisfied with Tubby reaching his ceiling, which is an NCAA appearance every couple of years, zero Sweet 16's and 1 win every 10 years.
Good for you.
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - Stammers - 05-12-2017 11:58 AM
(05-11-2017 02:33 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
Oh, by the way, he's recruiting Lomax hard. I'll bet you a lifetime banishment he signs with us.
Alex Lomax
132 Rivals
140 24/7
Please tell me that you are either Tubby Smith or Saul, because they are the only two people on the planet that would post something like this. I honestly hope you are either joking, or you recently had perspective bypass surgery.
Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - tiger1016 - 05-12-2017 12:02 PM
(05-12-2017 11:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:(05-11-2017 02:33 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
Oh, by the way, he's recruiting Lomax hard. I'll bet you a lifetime banishment he signs with us.
Alex Lomax
132 Rivals
140 24/7
Please tell me that you are either Tubby Smith or Saul, because they are the only two people on the planet that would post something like this. I honestly hope you are either joking, or you recently had perspective bypass surgery.
And if we don't get Lomax, you will complain that another good Memphis recruit got away from us
RE: Jalen Crutcher commits to Dayton! - memtiger1987 - 05-12-2017 12:18 PM
(05-12-2017 11:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:(05-11-2017 02:33 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:(05-10-2017 02:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:(05-10-2017 01:41 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: Wait . . . Did you actually just say it's ok to grab guys who aren't good enough for the program if they are only here 1-2 years? Really? This is the kinda thinking that blows my mind.
Yeah dude, I did. When you have 2 players on your team with ANY D-1 experience in April, you have to fill roster spots. We need another PG and a shooter, but don't want a guy to hold down a spot for four years. You think we'd have signed Kessee or Chad if they were freshmen?
It's May now, there isn't much left out there. What's left now become super hot property. I'd still like to find a one year guard. Leave lots of spots for 2018, but would add depth. There is very little left, but maybe something will turn up..
Is this all new to you?
Funny, he drilled you right between the eyes and you are getting all defensive. What is even funnier is seeing you type that first paragraph and following it up by defending Tubby.
You are right about one thing. We can't afford to take players that are not ranked as highly (impossible as that seems) as the players we have now. We lose Rivers after this year and Martin and the 4 jucos after next year.
So to recap the reality, we don't have a true D1 point guard on the roster right now, we aren't in on any that will make an impact next year and for the year after Martin and Brewton graduate.
Sounds like Tubby has everything under control.
Oh, by the way, he's recruiting Lomax hard. I'll bet you a lifetime banishment he signs with us.
Alex Lomax
132 Rivals
140 24/7
Please tell me that you are either Tubby Smith or Saul, because they are the only two people on the planet that would post something like this. I honestly hope you are either joking, or you recently had perspective bypass surgery.
I think most here will agree that Lomax is an outstanding prospect. I could care less about his ranking. Let me guess, you haven't seen him play? I have and he's a real talent. Not that you actually have anything to do with the city or school, but that you bandwagoned during the Calipari years.
Oh, I guess Florida sucks too since they offered..
What a dunce!