(05-03-2017 06:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i would think B-12 looks east & keeps name

(05-03-2017 06:52 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  B12 would have merged with Big East. It was rumored to be in the works at the time, but never happened because the 4 schools didn't move to the Pac10.

Conference would have looked like this:

Kansas
Kansas St
Colorado
Baylor
Iowa St
Texas Tech
Louisville
West Virginia
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Cincinnati
UConn
USF

TCU may have replaced Texas Tech in this scenario because A&M went to the SEC around this time. Pitt & Cuse may have already been announced to ACC as well, but you get the gist. It would have been a B12/Big East leftovers merger.

Here's an article revisiting this scenario

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/11/5800668/big-12-big-east-merger-conference-realignment

(05-03-2017 07:09 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 06:52 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  B12 would have merged with Big East. It was rumored to be in the works at the time, but never happened because the 4 schools didn't move to the Pac10.

Conference would have looked like this:

Kansas
Kansas St
Colorado
Baylor
Iowa St
Texas Tech
Louisville
West Virginia
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Cincinnati
UConn
USF

TCU may have replaced Texas Tech in this scenario because A&M went to the SEC around this time. Pitt & Cuse may have already been announced to ACC as well, but you get the gist. It would have been a B12/Big East leftovers merger.

Here's an article revisiting this scenario

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/11/5800668/big-12-big-east-merger-conference-realignment

This. This also probably would have seen the C7 stay.

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

(05-03-2017 08:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:09 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 06:52 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  B12 would have merged with Big East. It was rumored to be in the works at the time, but never happened because the 4 schools didn't move to the Pac10.

Conference would have looked like this:

Kansas
Kansas St
Colorado
Baylor
Iowa St
Texas Tech
Louisville
West Virginia
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Cincinnati
UConn
USF

TCU may have replaced Texas Tech in this scenario because A&M went to the SEC around this time. Pitt & Cuse may have already been announced to ACC as well, but you get the gist. It would have been a B12/Big East leftovers merger.

Here's an article revisiting this scenario

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/11/5800668/big-12-big-east-merger-conference-realignment

This. This also probably would have seen the C7 stay.

With Notre Dame as well so it would have been a 22 team conference. I am not so sure how a basketball and Olympic sport schedule would have worked out unless they divided it into two divisions with little interplay.

(05-03-2017 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/college/football/2017/05/02/time-again-ramp-up-college-football-realignment-talk/309138001/

What if issue.

Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State to the PAC 12 to 14.
Utah and Colorado being left out.

MWC would have invited Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State instead of Boise State and the other WAC schools.

MWC West:
San Diego State
Utah
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Wyoming
Colorado State
Boise State

MWC East:
Air Force
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

WAC members left behind as an FBS conference today.
San Jose State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Utah State
UNR
Idaho
New Mexico State
UTSA

UTSA then leaves for C-USA.

WAC would be down to 17 schools.
Cal.-Davis
Cal. Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Montana
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
South Dakota
South Dakota State

All have been rumor for WAC membership. MVFC were rumored to do a football only merger with the WAC.

WAC West:
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Utah State
Idaho
UNR
New Mexico State

WAC East:
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Youngstown State
Illinois State

This could have been the WAC until schools get plucked again with the other MVFC comes onboard down the road.

The Summit would be decimated as the Summit football schools could get a full invite.

Great West would still be in place with:
Southern Utah
Chicago State
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Seattle
New Jersey Tech
UTRGV

Great West could invite Grand Canyon U., Denver, California Baptist and others from the west coast.

As you can see, with the Big 12 schools and with Boise State and BYU in the MWC? They could be a P5 conference.

(05-03-2017 08:57 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Hadn't Colorado and Utah already accepted invites to the Pac before the rumors of UT/OU/OSU/A&M joining the Pac started?

(05-03-2017 08:57 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Hadn't Colorado and Utah already accepted invites to the Pac before the rumors of UT/OU/OSU/A&M joining the Pac started?

(05-03-2017 09:18 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:57 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Hadn't Colorado and Utah already accepted invites to the Pac before the rumors of UT/OU/OSU/A&M joining the Pac started?

Colorado was part of the Big 12 group that Larry Scott wanted to get the PAC 10 to the PAC 16. The PAC invited Colorado first on June 10, 2010. The Buffaloes were going to be part of the expansion regardless. And, the offer was on the table for the expansion to 16.

On June 15, the deal between Texas and the Big 12 was reached - to stay together. Once it was clear that Texas, Oklahoma, TTech, A&M, and OSU weren't going to accept the invite, the PAC invited Utah - on June 17.

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

(05-03-2017 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/college/football/2017/05/02/time-again-ramp-up-college-football-realignment-talk/309138001/

What if issue.

Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State to the PAC 12 to 14.
Utah and Colorado being left out.

MWC would have invited Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State instead of Boise State and the other WAC schools.

MWC West:
San Diego State
Utah
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Wyoming
Colorado State
Boise State

MWC East:
Air Force
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

WAC members left behind as an FBS conference today.
San Jose State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Utah State
UNR
Idaho
New Mexico State
UTSA

UTSA then leaves for C-USA.

WAC would be down to 17 schools.
Cal.-Davis
Cal. Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Montana
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
South Dakota
South Dakota State

All have been rumor for WAC membership. MVFC were rumored to do a football only merger with the WAC.

WAC West:
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Utah State
Idaho
UNR
New Mexico State

WAC East:
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Youngstown State
Illinois State

This could have been the WAC until schools get plucked again with the other MVFC comes onboard down the road.

The Summit would be decimated as the Summit football schools could get a full invite.

Great West would still be in place with:
Southern Utah
Chicago State
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Seattle
New Jersey Tech
UTRGV

Great West could invite Grand Canyon U., Denver, California Baptist and others from the west coast.

As you can see, with the Big 12 schools and with Boise State and BYU in the MWC? They could be a P5 conference.

(05-03-2017 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Kansas was after A&M made it clear they would go to the SEC instead. Texas Tech was one of the 6 schools.

(05-03-2017 12:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/college/football/2017/05/02/time-again-ramp-up-college-football-realignment-talk/309138001/

What if issue.

Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State to the PAC 12 to 14.
Utah and Colorado being left out.

MWC would have invited Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State instead of Boise State and the other WAC schools.

MWC West:
San Diego State
Utah
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Wyoming
Colorado State
Boise State

MWC East:
Air Force
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

WAC members left behind as an FBS conference today.
San Jose State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Utah State
UNR
Idaho
New Mexico State
UTSA

UTSA then leaves for C-USA.

WAC would be down to 17 schools.
Cal.-Davis
Cal. Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Montana
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
South Dakota
South Dakota State

All have been rumor for WAC membership. MVFC were rumored to do a football only merger with the WAC.

WAC West:
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Utah State
Idaho
UNR
New Mexico State

WAC East:
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Youngstown State
Illinois State

This could have been the WAC until schools get plucked again with the other MVFC comes onboard down the road.

The Summit would be decimated as the Summit football schools could get a full invite.

Great West would still be in place with:
Southern Utah
Chicago State
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Seattle
New Jersey Tech
UTRGV

Great West could invite Grand Canyon U., Denver, California Baptist and others from the west coast.

As you can see, with the Big 12 schools and with Boise State and BYU in the MWC? They could be a P5 conference.

1. Colorado was always part of the Pac-expansion. They wanted to go to 16 with those four plus Tech and Colorado.

2. The left over Big XII schools (ISU, KSU, KU, Mizz & Baylor) if none of them were taken which i'm sure KU & Mizz would have gotten a look from the B1G, would have owned the Big XII name and like the old Big east would have back filled from the Big East.

ISU
Baylor
KU
KSU
Mizz
Cincy
Louisville
TCU
BYU
Utah
WVU
Pitt

After that the ACC probably scoops up Cuse and Rutgers and the C7 breaks off leaving UConn and USF behind.

(05-03-2017 01:26 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Kansas was after A&M made it clear they would go to the SEC instead. Texas Tech was one of the 6 schools.

A&M to the SEC was basically a foregone conclusion from the onset.
Where do people keep getting the idea that KU was in line to replace A&M as #16. There is simply no evidence for that. The only time that KU came into the picture was when they popped up on Scott's flight itinerary after UT bailed on the deal (and I don't think he ever made the trip). Where was this supposed Kansas interest from the PAC?

I think Scott considered a play for 14 with KU on OU, but that went nowhere with OU countering with OU/OSU.

(05-03-2017 02:04 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 01:26 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 07:18 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The Pac was going to 16..not 14. Colorado and Kansas would be in the Pac as 16 teams. That will change quite a few what if scenarios.

Kansas was after A&M made it clear they would go to the SEC instead. Texas Tech was one of the 6 schools.

A&M to the SEC was basically a foregone conclusion from the onset.
Where do people keep getting the idea that KU was in line to replace A&M as #16. There is simply no evidence for that. The only time that KU came into the picture was when they popped up on Scott's flight itinerary after UT bailed on the deal (and I don't think he ever made the trip). Where was this supposed Kansas interest from the PAC?

I think Scott considered a play for 14 with KU on OU, but that went nowhere with OU countering with OU/OSU.

The way I remember it, Scott left Texas on his plane headed to Kansas to invite KU, thinking he had a deal after A&M had bailed. However, before he got to Kansas, Texas changed their mind and shut the deal down.

(05-03-2017 12:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/college/football/2017/05/02/time-again-ramp-up-college-football-realignment-talk/309138001/

What if issue.

Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State to the PAC 12 to 14.
Utah and Colorado being left out.

MWC would have invited Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State instead of Boise State and the other WAC schools.

MWC West:
San Diego State
Utah
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Wyoming
Colorado State
Boise State

MWC East:
Air Force
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

WAC members left behind as an FBS conference today.
San Jose State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Utah State
UNR
Idaho
New Mexico State
UTSA

UTSA then leaves for C-USA.

WAC would be down to 17 schools.
Cal.-Davis
Cal. Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Montana
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
South Dakota
South Dakota State

All have been rumor for WAC membership. MVFC were rumored to do a football only merger with the WAC.

WAC West:
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Utah State
Idaho
UNR
New Mexico State

WAC East:
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Youngstown State
Illinois State

This could have been the WAC until schools get plucked again with the other MVFC comes onboard down the road.

The Summit would be decimated as the Summit football schools could get a full invite.

Great West would still be in place with:
Southern Utah
Chicago State
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Seattle
New Jersey Tech
UTRGV

Great West could invite Grand Canyon U., Denver, California Baptist and others from the west coast.

As you can see, with the Big 12 schools and with Boise State and BYU in the MWC? They could be a P5 conference.

1. Colorado was always part of the Pac-expansion. They wanted to go to 16 with those four plus Tech and Colorado.

2. The left over Big XII schools (ISU, KSU, KU, Mizz & Baylor) if none of them were taken which i'm sure KU & Mizz would have gotten a look from the B1G, would have owned the Big XII name and like the old Big east would have back filled from the Big East.

ISU
Baylor
KU
KSU
Mizz
Cincy
Louisville
TCU
BYU
Utah
WVU
Pitt

After that the ACC probably scoops up Cuse and Rutgers and the C7 breaks off leaving UConn and USF behind.