+- CSNbbs (https://csnbbs.com)
+-- Forum: Active Boards (/forum-769.html)
+--- Forum: AACbbs (/forum-460.html)
+---- Forum: AAC Conference Talk (/forum-409.html)
+---- Thread: AAC basketball scheduling (/thread-815876.html)
Pages: 1 2
AAC basketball scheduling - Hood-rich - 04-19-2017 12:36 PM
Bear with me as this is a story about the ACC. I've tried to post a similar scheduling concept here but I haven't been able to explain it as well as this article does.
I believe that the concept would work here to maximize conference RPI. I would make a slight change and rank by the previous seasons final RPI instead of conference play finish. I also wouldn't have 20 conference games. I'd have 18.
This is how you can both incentivize the bottom tier programs to get their OOC act together and protect the top team's NCAA seeding. A program like ECU wouldn't get as many home games vs the top tier teams but oh well. It would be our own fault.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article145058494.html
Quote:The teams are placed in numerical order based on the previous season and divided into three groups: teams 1-5, 6-10, and 11-15. Based on the 2016-17 results, the PODs would be:
A: North Carolina, Florida State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Duke
B: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Miami, Wake Forest
C: Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Pittsburgh, Boston College
The teams in each POD play each other twice, giving each team four additional regular-season games (18 total). The last two games would be assigned with this progressive formula: No. 1 plays No. 6 and No. 11 twice; No. 2 plays No. 7 and No. 12 twice, and so on and so forth. Every year the final standings (tournament seeds) could change, therefore the schedule would change.
In the AAC the top 4 tier would essentially be your regular NCAA teams.
Middle 4 tier would be your NIT and fighting for NIT teams.
Bottom 4 tier would be the group that needs to get their **** together quick.
Personally I'd take it even further and disproportionally distribute NCAA revenues similar to the A10. Maybe go with a model where anybody with a 200 or worse RPI gets nothing from that season.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - SubGod22 - 04-19-2017 01:49 PM
I could go for something like that.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - robertfoshizzle - 04-20-2017 01:09 AM
It actually works out a lot neater for 15 teams than 12, though. If you did the same thing with the AAC, it would end up being a 16-game schedule. I have played around with some numbers to get this type of model to 18 games (20 would actually be easier), but I'm never quite satisfied with it. I am sure a statistician or a computer program could figure it out though.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - aTxTIGER - 04-20-2017 08:05 AM
So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Hood-rich - 04-20-2017 08:31 AM
(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - BigEastHomer - 04-20-2017 08:32 AM
I think Dunleavy will be good at Tulane. I just have a feeling. Sounds like he is bringing in size.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - PT_american - 04-20-2017 08:36 AM
(04-20-2017 01:09 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: It actually works out a lot neater for 15 teams than 12, though. If you did the same thing with the AAC, it would end up being a 16-game schedule. I have played around with some numbers to get this type of model to 18 games (20 would actually be easier), but I'm never quite satisfied with it. I am sure a statistician or a computer program could figure it out though.
I think you can keep it simple and achieve a similar outcome. Have the 3 tiers. Base it off of a 3 year average or whatever. Tier 1 would play home and home with Tier 1 and 2 which is 14 games and then 4 games against the bottom teams. So you protect your top 4 teams from playing the teams that won't invest to improve or have god awful RPI's. I don't think anything is perfect but you need the top 8 playing each other as often as you can not only to improve your RPI and other metrics but I am sure those games are also much more attractive to tv partners. The hope is the basement teams don't want to be in the basement anymore and they improve so much that the bottom 4 isn't so bad anymore. At the moment there are only 3 teams that are in a bad place. Tulane, ECU and USF. So someone will get screwed to join these 3 but it is what it is. And hopefully Dunleavy gets things going at Tulane, USF hired a new coach so it really leave ECU as the only program not actually trying to improve.
Based on 3 year conference records and adding Wichita to the top since we have no data other than they were the top team in the MVC.
Tier 1
Wichita St
SMU
Cincinnati
Temple
Tier 2
Tulsa
Connecticut
Houston
Memphis
Tier 3
UCF
East Carolina
Tulane
South Florida
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - aTxTIGER - 04-20-2017 10:10 AM
(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - KNIGHTTIME - 04-20-2017 10:16 AM
(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
Having ecu schedule a top 50 ooc schedule won't necessarily help their rpi either. Part of the Calc is winning games. So just going on the road losing doesn't give you a good rpi.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Hood-rich - 04-20-2017 10:49 AM
(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Attackcoog - 04-20-2017 11:39 AM
(04-20-2017 10:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
That's all I'd do. Id make teams keep their OOC schedule RPI below 150. Go over, and you lose half your NCAA credit share from the conference. Since we all play one another, crappy scheduling by one team hurts everyone. You have to understand---RPI is determined 25% by your record, 50% by your opponents record, and 25% by your opponents opponents record. In other words, 75% of your RPI is completely out of your hands once the schedule is set. Thus, it is imperative that entire conference HELPS the top teams by scheduling well in OOC. It doesn't matter if you win or lose for this to be helpful in the long run. We all share in the reward when we send more teams to the tournament. Honestly, this is a no brainer.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - BigEastHomer - 04-20-2017 11:39 AM
(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I disagree.
Who is to say if they scheduled tougher they wouldn't WIN some of those games?
The reverse is also true. When you schedule so lightly that you take your opponent for granted, and LOSE, its a killer.
You MUST schedule up and create a consistent culture of competition. This conference demands at least that much.
Gregg Marshall had a good point. The backlash from losing to good teams is disproportionate to the credit that is given for beating good teams. You get MUCH more credit for beating good teams than flack for losing to good teams.
That's how resumes are judged.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - aTxTIGER - 04-20-2017 12:43 PM
(04-20-2017 10:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
Agreed. OOC scheduling is a much bigger issue in the AAC.....Memphis included.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Huskypride - 04-20-2017 12:57 PM
(04-20-2017 12:43 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
Agreed. OOC scheduling is a much bigger issue in the AAC.....Memphis included.
Exactly, a lot of you guys's teams need to schedule better opponents in OOC. We usually have a really great OOC and then it drops when u get past the top brand names in the conference. The middle of the conference need to schedule better teams. when u have a sos of 101 (UCF) and are trying to make tourney the as a at large bid it isn't gonna work unless you win like 28 games. if you play better teams and win in OOC you can get in as decent seed with 26-24 wins. plsying weak schedule isn't doing you any good. I'm not saying that UCF didn't have great season, they did and i was cheering for them to win the NIT but, to get into the tourney with the amount of wins you guys had last year you need a better ooc
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - invisiblehand - 04-20-2017 01:01 PM
(04-20-2017 12:57 PM)Huskypride Wrote:(04-20-2017 12:43 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:31 AM)Hood-rich Wrote: I hate to break it to you but ECU and Tulane will be ECU and Tulane until they get punished for it.
Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
Agreed. OOC scheduling is a much bigger issue in the AAC.....Memphis included.
exactly, a lot of you guys's teams need to schedule better opponents in OOC. We usually have a really great OOC and then it drops when u get past the top brand names in the conference. The middle of the conference need to schedule better teams. when u have a sos of 101 (UCF) and are trying to make tourney the as a at large bid it isn't gonna work unless you win most of your games. if you play better teams in OOC you can get in as decent seed with 26-24 wins.
26 wins IS winning most of your games.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - ultraviolet - 04-20-2017 01:01 PM
(04-20-2017 10:16 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:(04-20-2017 08:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: So bush league. Invest in your programs, schedule well in the OOC, make the right hires, win freaking games. Thats how you get more teams in the tourney. We had 2 teams in the tourney this year because Memphis, UCONN, and Temple were dogawful, USF made the wrong hire, UCF/Houston/Tulsa were fine, ECU and Tulane continue to be ECU and Tulane. Until that changes, this is what you got regardless of how you stack in conference scheduling.
Having ecu schedule a top 50 ooc schedule won't necessarily help their rpi either. Part of the Calc is winning games. So just going on the road losing doesn't give you a good rpi.
We're also pretty good at losing home games to decent or above opponents too.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Huskypride - 04-20-2017 01:07 PM
(04-20-2017 01:01 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:(04-20-2017 12:57 PM)Huskypride Wrote:(04-20-2017 12:43 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(04-20-2017 10:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote: Changing scheduling and hurting teams trying to improve by weighing down their schedule with those folks doesnt help the conference. It just creates a permanent underclass.
I get what you're saying but ECU is hurting itself big time with our OOC scheduling. Changing that alone would be a big help.
Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app
Agreed. OOC scheduling is a much bigger issue in the AAC.....Memphis included.
exactly, a lot of you guys's teams need to schedule better opponents in OOC. We usually have a really great OOC and then it drops when u get past the top brand names in the conference. The middle of the conference need to schedule better teams. when u have a sos of 101 (UCF) and are trying to make tourney the as a at large bid it isn't gonna work unless you win most of your games. if you play better teams in OOC you can get in as decent seed with 26-24 wins.
26 wins IS winning most of your games.
i meant like 28 sorry and 101 sos doesn't help, if they had a tougher schedule and won 26 games they would have gotten in, thats all im saying, losing to bad teams in conference also doesn't help
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - 8BitPirate - 04-20-2017 02:29 PM
I'd be cool with ECU not getting a nickle of NCAA credit $ until they get their basketball **** together.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - BigEastHomer - 04-20-2017 02:46 PM
A team like ECU should very rarely play a top AAC team twice during the year (rarely at Minges) until they make an effort.
RE: AAC basketball scheduling - Hood-rich - 04-20-2017 03:12 PM
(04-20-2017 02:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: A team like ECU should very rarely play a top AAC team twice during the year (rarely at Minges) until they make an effort.
I agree 100%. The only way ECU is going to fix things is if we are punished financially. I hate to say that but it's the truth. That might not even be enough. Sad to say but I'm afraid we might be a lost cause. It's institutional - not players, coaches, AD's or even president. The people that pull the strings dgaf about basketball.