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Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - The Sicatoka - 04-14-2017 01:52 PM
Athletic programs cutting in 2017 --
- Savanna State dropping to DII: http://www.wjcl.com/article/breaking-savannah-state-athletics-to-drop-to-division-ii/9269304
- UNM dropping M/W skiing
- Missouri St dropping field hockey and cutting all other athletic programs 7%-12%
- U Buffalo dropping M baseball, M soccer, M swim & diving, and W rowing
- North Dakota dropping M/W Swim and Diving and women's ice hockey*
Please add to this thread with anything that I haven't accumulated so far.
*dropped baseball and M golf in 2016; M golf got "must be self-funded and establish endowment" reprieve to 2018; endowment must be fully funded or no more M golf
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-14-2017 02:37 PM
Hopefully this is the year that Chicago St gives up the ghost.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - NoDak - 04-14-2017 07:43 PM
S Illinois dropped men's and women's tennis
Stony Brook dropped men's tennis
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - Kaplony - 04-15-2017 03:58 PM
Clemson is dropping Women's Diving but is adding softball with the target start date being the 2020 season.
http://www.independentmail.com/story/sports/2017/03/14/clemson-add-softball-drop-diving/99159578/
Quote:Clemson athletic director Dan Radakovich announced Tuesday that varsity softball will be added as early as 2020, but with that addition, the school’s women’s diving program has completed its last season on campus.
"We've evaluated our sport offerings over the past few years and believe this is our best path forward,” Radakovich said, according to a news release.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-15-2017 04:09 PM
Softball is the sport of choice that white southern girls are being funneled into, it seems.
In the midewest, that sport is volleyball and has been for some time.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - jdgaucho - 04-15-2017 05:26 PM
Clemson not having softball is surprising. I thought everyone down south had it.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - Kaplony - 04-15-2017 05:37 PM
(04-15-2017 05:26 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: Clemson not having softball is surprising. I thought everyone down south had it.
South Carolina for some reason was late to get into fast pitch softball on the female side. I can remember as a young kid watching men's church league fast pitch games but the female side has always been slow pitch for some reason. The first youth league in the state to go to all fast pitch after the coach's pitch level wasn't until the mid-to late 1990's so the talent level hasn't always been there. I still believe the talent level isn't where it needs to be but at this point the state is producing enough high level DI talent that you don't have to rely entirely on out of state players.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - msu_bears - 04-15-2017 08:03 PM
(04-14-2017 01:52 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote: Athletic programs cutting in 2017 --
[*]Missouri St dropping field hockey and cutting all other athletic programs 7%-12%
Missouri state is also adding a beach volleyball team.
Cutting the field hockey team is only saving them $300k/year, but the sport is also completely foreign to southern Missouri with no high schools in the region playing the sport. It honestly makes sense to drop the sport in favor of one that is actually played in the region.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - NoDak - 04-15-2017 08:26 PM
(04-15-2017 08:03 PM)msu_bears Wrote:(04-14-2017 01:52 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote: Athletic programs cutting in 2017 --
[*]Missouri St dropping field hockey and cutting all other athletic programs 7%-12%
Missouri state is also adding a beach volleyball team.
Cutting the field hockey team is only saving them $300k/year, but the sport is also completely foreign to southern Missouri with no high schools in the region playing the sport. It honestly makes sense to drop the sport in favor of one that is actually played in the region.
Arguably, beach volleyball is now a valued compliment to court vb, as more scholarships are available for court. Nebraska added it and suspect more serious vb school in the north will. Field hockey only has a few teams, mostly on the east coast.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MissouriStateBears - 04-15-2017 08:35 PM
(04-15-2017 08:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:(04-15-2017 08:03 PM)msu_bears Wrote:(04-14-2017 01:52 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote: Athletic programs cutting in 2017 --
[*]Missouri St dropping field hockey and cutting all other athletic programs 7%-12%
Missouri state is also adding a beach volleyball team.
Cutting the field hockey team is only saving them $300k/year, but the sport is also completely foreign to southern Missouri with no high schools in the region playing the sport. It honestly makes sense to drop the sport in favor of one that is actually played in the region.
Arguably, beach volleyball is now a valued compliment to court vb, as more scholarships are available for court. Nebraska added it and suspect more serious vb school in the north will. Field hockey only has a few teams, mostly on the east coast.
We already have a strong volleyball program. Adding beach volleyball will help and we have a beach volleyball facility already on campus. The only reason the athletic department needed to make cuts is because men's basketball attendance has fallen. That's what happens when you go from 7k to 4k in attendance.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-16-2017 08:19 AM
Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.
Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.
Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.
I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - arkstfan - 04-16-2017 10:49 AM
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.
Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.
Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.
I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.
I suspect sand volleyball (proper term everyone in this thread) :) is being viewed by coaches at good volleyball programs as a place to park the kid they'd like to get walk-on but has a spot at another Division I.
The upside I see for it is it is a sport with pro potential for the better players
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - Sactowndog - 04-16-2017 01:46 PM
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.
Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.
Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.
I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.
As the father of a D1 Volleyball player I can confirm this statement is not correct in terms of being complementary to indoor. Full rotation players are often told to play beach versus being kept from playing beach. The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.
The real reason for this move, is it allows schools to cut sports scholarship or hold sport expenses flat but keep their participation numbers up. The girls who play both sports count as two participants but only cost a single scholarship for the school. When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars. This trend is all about showing Title IX compliance on the cheap.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - DavidSt - 04-16-2017 05:02 PM
Many D2 schools are adding sports big time. Some of them are adding Beach Volleyball which seems they would be playing in D1 since D2 does not sponsor the sport yet.
I have to congratulate Adams State for making history by giving a scholarship to a female place kicker for football. She have been playing on the boys high school team in Arizona.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-17-2017 09:05 AM
(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.
Fair enough. Though I'm quite certain that indoor has a competitive season in the spring, somewhat akin to football's spring camp/practice. I still have my doubts that Coach Hugh at Minnesota would be advocating for any of his indoor players to participate on a varsity sand team, if one is ever started. But perhaps at lower schools/programs, it would be a way to get players on the bench more "game like" reps.
That doesn't prove that sand is complimentary to indoor. By far and wide, it's a completely different game.
(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars.
This is actually backwards. The government only counts unduplicated participants. That's why the EiA database has a specific number for that as the bottom line for participation.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - JRsec - 04-17-2017 12:23 PM
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.
Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.
Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.
I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.
It's a gimmick, but a successful one. The Olympics lent it credibility and the play is fun to watch. But it is fun to watch because the women are typically young, in great shape, and wearing bikinis. It also moves quickly. I don't think it would have made it to its present popularity if it had just been for men. I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-17-2017 01:16 PM
Heh ... I'm not against the sport at all. I wasn't saying the sport itself is a gimmick. But that also doesn't negate anything you just said, JR.
I'll just say that "real" volleyball ... or at least the "pinnacle" of volleyball competition ... is indoor 6's.
Sand 2's is fun to watch, good for TV, and good for the olympics and FIVB to continue growth in the sport overall. But I don't think it makes sense for the NCAA.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - Sactowndog - 04-17-2017 09:50 PM
(04-17-2017 09:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.
Fair enough. Though I'm quite certain that indoor has a competitive season in the spring, somewhat akin to football's spring camp/practice. I still have my doubts that Coach Hugh at Minnesota would be advocating for any of his indoor players to participate on a varsity sand team, if one is ever started. But perhaps at lower schools/programs, it would be a way to get players on the bench more "game like" reps.
That doesn't prove that sand is complimentary to indoor. By far and wide, it's a completely different game.
(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars.
This is actually backwards. The government only counts unduplicated participants. That's why the EiA database has a specific number for that as the bottom line for participation.
You comment quite a bit on things you have no clue. Nebraska just added Beach. UCLA and USC both have beach and all their full rotation players play. Why do you think that would be?
In terms of unduplicated participants, I would be happy to see the data. The last government report I saw on participation rates did not show that but perhaps things have changed.
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - MplsBison - 04-18-2017 10:15 AM
Nebraska is a great comparison for Minnesota. Both are top 5 programs in the nation, and both in the midwest and Big Ten conf.
Just checking the Nebraska athletics website: the coaching staff for beach are all listed as coaches for indoor, including the same head coach. The roster for beach is mostly the same as indoor, with a few different. I could well be wrong that rosters for indoor and beach would be different. If it happens that way, then so be it.
However, I am absolutely correct that sand and indoor are very different sports, and not really complimentary in several factors. The benefit would be the additional playing time/reps. NOT because being good at sand helps your indoor game. That is not true. You can continue to deny that, but it just means you haven't played the two different types and don't understand the differences.
All you need to do is go to the EiA website and select any particular school, then click on the participants tab. The bottom line is *unduplicated* participants. That's what the DOEd cares about, for Title IX. https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search
RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition - The Sicatoka - 04-18-2017 09:22 PM
Boise State. Wrestling. Dead.