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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - runamuck - 03-16-2017 12:11 PM
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134
Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in
a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - dbackjon - 03-16-2017 12:59 PM
(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134
Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in
a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.
In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - Vobserver - 03-16-2017 04:13 PM
(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134
Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in
a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.
In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.
He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - dbackjon - 03-16-2017 06:15 PM
(03-16-2017 04:13 PM)Vobserver Wrote:(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134
Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in
a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.
In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.
He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.
Gotcha
But his premise is still wrong.
St. Mary's only lost to two teams all season - UTA, and Gonzaga.
Beat Dayton, Nevada, Stanford, etc.
UTA's best win was St. Mary's, but lost to:
FGCU (ok)
Minn (good)
Ark (good)
But the killer losses were to:
Texas State twice (RPI 179)
Troy (RPI 151)
ULL (RPI 114)
CCU (RPI 183)
You aren't going to get an at-large with those types of losses.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - FoUTASportscaster - 03-16-2017 11:05 PM
Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.
Adjust RPI for margin of victory and home/road and see how that SOS changes.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - runamuck - 03-17-2017 06:59 AM
(03-16-2017 04:13 PM)Vobserver Wrote:(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134
Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in
a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.
In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.
He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.
no, I know my mt. st. mary from my st. mary..uta beat them both
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - Pounce FTW - 03-17-2017 10:02 AM
(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.
Unfortunately, this is what it seems like it's coming down to these days. I feel like there might be more talk of "bad losses" than there used to be (maybe I'm just paying more attention to that now...?). This means, in part, that a sustained effort to keep raising the profile of SBC basketball will be important. It IS happening, we just have to keep it up.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - UTArlingtonMaverick - 03-17-2017 10:39 AM
(03-17-2017 10:02 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.
Unfortunately, this is what it seems like it's coming down to these days. I feel like there might be more talk of "bad losses" than there used to be (maybe I'm just paying more attention to that now...?). This means, in part, that a sustained effort to keep raising the profile of SBC basketball will be important. It IS happening, we just have to keep it up.
Better give a greater advantage to regular season champ. We clobbered Brigham Young at Provo, and there would have been a respectable chance of that happening in the first round of the NCAA with decent seeding which we would have had. Of course, we have ourselves to blame, too, for the slip up against a very good Texas State team.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - dbackjon - 03-17-2017 11:28 AM
(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.
Adjust RPI for margin of victory and home/road and see how that SOS changes.
Very little. But you can't lose 5 games to sub 100 teams, and no way can you lose 4 games to teams in the bottom half of the RPI.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - FoUTASportscaster - 03-17-2017 04:51 PM
What I'm saying is P5 teams that have received at-larges now and in the past would have had those subjective bad losses were the RPI formula not so flawed. It essentially keeps the big boys in power.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - Shrack - 03-17-2017 06:27 PM
UTA just didnt have the resume likely. KenPom's a little off right now since some games have been played, but UTA is #72 in KenPom right now though I have no idea what they were prior. That's not getting an at large for anyone
As far as the Saint Mary's comparison goes: Saint Mary's had a Kenpom of 14 and an RPI of 17, much better metrics. That's why they got in.
I'd argue that Wichita St, Rhode Island, Saint Mary's, SMU, MTSU, VCU and Nevada all should've been 1-2 seeds higher than they are due to their metrics. Non power schools certainly get the deck stacked against them and get worse paths/worse chances to get into the S16, E8 etc.
10 of the 12 highest seeded non power schools were underseeded in this tournament. Many power schools were heavily overseeded with Maryland, Seton Hall, Northwestern, Michigan St, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota being the biggest offenders IMO.
RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament. - Pounce FTW - 03-17-2017 10:12 PM
The question comes down to something like this: If you were to allow UTA to play, say, a Big East conference schedule, could they do well enough that even after accumulating a bunch of losses, they could make the tourney because they wouldn't be disqualified by any "bad losses" (since the committee is going to view just about any conference loss as okay to take)? Conversely, if you were to put a team like Providence into the Sun Belt, would they run the table (or come close enough) so that no one could disqualify them due to too many of those bad losses?