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Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - john01992 - 03-08-2017 09:29 PM
With news of Northern Kentucky making the NCAAT as a Division I newcomer this had me thinking. When was the last time we saw a non FBS member move out of Division I?
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - NoDak - 03-08-2017 09:49 PM
(03-08-2017 09:29 PM)john01992 Wrote: With news of Northern Kentucky making the NCAAT as a Division I newcomer this had me thinking. When was the last time we saw a non FBS member move out of Division I?
Centenary
Birmingham Southern
Chicago St should.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - DavidSt - 03-08-2017 09:59 PM
There were a slew of D1 schools moved down from D1 in the 1970s to 1980s.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - MWC Tex - 03-08-2017 10:02 PM
New Orleans briefly decided to move down but then changed their mind later before it was to late.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - john01992 - 03-08-2017 10:28 PM
(03-08-2017 09:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:(03-08-2017 09:29 PM)john01992 Wrote: With news of Northern Kentucky making the NCAAT as a Division I newcomer this had me thinking. When was the last time we saw a non FBS member move out of Division I?
Centenary
Birmingham Southern
Chicago St should.
what was the backstory for those two schools?
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - Cyniclone - 03-08-2017 10:32 PM
Winston-Salem State played for a few seasons in the MEAC as a transitional D1 school but moved back to D2 and the CIAA in 2010 before becoming full members.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - Cyniclone - 03-08-2017 10:36 PM
(03-08-2017 10:28 PM)john01992 Wrote:(03-08-2017 09:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:(03-08-2017 09:29 PM)john01992 Wrote: With news of Northern Kentucky making the NCAAT as a Division I newcomer this had me thinking. When was the last time we saw a non FBS member move out of Division I?
Centenary
Birmingham Southern
Chicago St should.
what was the backstory for those two schools?
Same with Winston-Salem State — money, or lack thereof. Plus Centenary had like 500 students total. If they were a Virginia high school, they'd be in the smallest of the six classifications.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - 3BNole - 03-08-2017 10:54 PM
I believe with Birmingham Southern, starting football and the costs of that were also part of the decision. Being a college baseball fan, losing both of those teams really was a shame as they were both pretty good in the sport and had some tradition.
Not that it counts, but FAMU sort of backed out of the FBS in the early 2000's after completing their first transition year. Terrible decision to try and move up, pretty much ruined the athletic program ever since.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - NoDak - 03-08-2017 11:14 PM
(03-08-2017 10:28 PM)john01992 Wrote:(03-08-2017 09:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:(03-08-2017 09:29 PM)john01992 Wrote: With news of Northern Kentucky making the NCAAT as a Division I newcomer this had me thinking. When was the last time we saw a non FBS member move out of Division I?
Centenary
Birmingham Southern
Chicago St should.
what was the backstory for those two schools?
Centenary was part of the Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma NAIA type schools that started the Transamerica Athletic Conference (TAAC) when it went DI in 1978. Hardin Simmons, Oklahoma City, and Houston Baptist were part of that monstrosity, but those schools soon dropped out of DI. The conference kept gaining more eastern schools until Centenary went independent rather than travel to Florida all the time. The TAAC eventually changed its name to the Atlantic Sun. Centenary later joined the Slummit, but seemingly got disillusioned when the Dakota schools got added. The Southland formerly didn't allow private schools, and only changed their policy after Centenary moved to DIII.
Birmingham-Southern was a later add to the Big South, which started later than the TAAC as in 1983. Armstrong Atlantic and Augusta were earlier DI dropouts from that league, which has been much more stable than the Atlantic Sun's history.
Both schools have very low enrollment of -1000.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - esayem - 03-08-2017 11:33 PM
Ah, the Centenary Gents: alma mater of the journeyman Robert Parish.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - arkstfan - 03-09-2017 12:50 AM
Once Centenary's attempt to join the Southland failed it cleared the path. The Summit had made a run at trying to add Arkansas-Little Rock, South Alabama and New Orleans (before USA added football) with that failing Centenary started getting serious about the Southland. Back in the TAAC (ASun) they had games against UALR and UL Monroe, NW State, etc in the Louisiana and Texas area. After they all left Centenary never really had a good fit.
While there was some controversy, there was a great deal of support for Division III as being more compatible with Centenary as a small liberal arts college with less than 600 undergrad students.
Birmingham Southern likewise considered the move a better fit and the only way to viably add football, which they felt fit the region.
New Orleans was under tight financial circumstances in Division I post-Katrina and while they initially announced for Division III they quickly changed their mind and were going Division II and talking seriously of adding football, I think that football talk coupled with UNO moving from the LSU system to the UL System where athletics have a bit more financial freedom spurred the interest of the Southland so they moved back to Division I.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - john01992 - 03-09-2017 01:03 AM
(03-09-2017 12:50 AM)arkstfan Wrote: Once Centenary's attempt to join the Southland failed it cleared the path. The Summit had made a run at trying to add Arkansas-Little Rock, South Alabama and New Orleans (before USA added football) with that failing Centenary started getting serious about the Southland. Back in the TAAC (ASun) they had games against UALR and UL Monroe, NW State, etc in the Louisiana and Texas area. After they all left Centenary never really had a good fit.
While there was some controversy, there was a great deal of support for Division III as being more compatible with Centenary as a small liberal arts college with less than 600 undergrad students.
Birmingham Southern likewise considered the move a better fit and the only way to viably add football, which they felt fit the region.
New Orleans was under tight financial circumstances in Division I post-Katrina and while they initially announced for Division III they quickly changed their mind and were going Division II and talking seriously of adding football, I think that football talk coupled with UNO moving from the LSU system to the UL System where athletics have a bit more financial freedom spurred the interest of the Southland so they moved back to Division I.
is this around the time UNO was kicked out of a conference?
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - arkstfan - 03-09-2017 01:15 AM
New Orleans was in danger of being kicked out of Division I. The Sun Belt required 15 sports with a four year grace period, they weren't even at the NCAA minimum 14 and were looking to extend the post-Katrina waiver.
The commissioner was working with them on their package to request waiver extensions from the NCAA and the conference and gets a call from a reporter asking for a comment on their announced move to Division III. He called the president told him he understood and asked if they could have lunch and told them if they were leaving Division I they should seriously consider Division II instead of III and use it as an opportunity to add football.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - C2__ - 03-09-2017 02:59 AM
(03-08-2017 11:33 PM)esayem Wrote: Ah, the Centenary Gents: alma mater of the journeyman Robert Parish.
Beat me to it, they were just too small to compete in the end, granted, they could have been just fine in the Southland.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - DoubleRSU - 03-09-2017 09:33 AM
Northeastern Illinois did it in the 90s and HBCU Morris Brown did in the mid 2000s as well.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - arkstfan - 03-09-2017 09:48 AM
(03-09-2017 09:33 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Northeastern Illinois did it in the 90s and HBCU Morris Brown did in the mid 2000s as well.
And Houston Baptist did it then came back.
Oklahoma City University left NCAA Division I and now plays in the NAIA (left mid-80ish time period).
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - arkstfan - 03-09-2017 09:50 AM
FWIW when the SWAC and MEAC were fighting the adoption of the higher academic standards, there was some serious thought given to moving to the NAIA where the association only requires the athlete to meet the school's standards for admission without waiver.
In the end the value of NCAA turnback and playing name schools in hoops resulted in the decision to stay.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - DavidSt - 03-09-2017 07:09 PM
(03-09-2017 09:48 AM)arkstfan Wrote:(03-09-2017 09:33 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Northeastern Illinois did it in the 90s and HBCU Morris Brown did in the mid 2000s as well.
And Houston Baptist did it then came back.
Oklahoma City University left NCAA Division I and now plays in the NAIA (left mid-80ish time period).
OKCU wanted to come back in 2007 2008 period and add football as well. I think if they added football and rejoin D1? They could be in the Southland Conference for all sports.
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - billybobby777 - 03-09-2017 07:11 PM
Drake
Cheers!
RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I. - DavidSt - 03-09-2017 08:14 PM
Grinnell Iowa was part of the Big 12 group. So was Washington, Missouri.
Sewannee was a former SEC founder.
Cal. State-LA was part of what is now called the Big West.
West Texas A&M and Washburn were former MVC members.
Baltimore was D1 until they dropped sports.
Catholic U. was D1.
Augusta was D1.
Trinity Texas was part of Southland at one time.
Southwestern was part of SWC.
Phillips, now closed was SWC.