Quote:“The Keystone XL Pipeline is currently in the process of being constructed, so it does not count as a new, retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipeline,” the White House spokeswoman said.

(03-03-2017 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So DJT and the GOP say that Keystone would bring American jobs, then DJT goes out and specifically refers to pipelines being made with American steel. That lasted all of two days, apparently.

So lets recap. DJT wants to build a pipeline to allow a FLOOD of cheap Canadian production undercut American producers, won't mandate that Americans be helped in the construction, and won't mandate that any of that production stay here in the US to help US consumers (its all going to China).

Not only did he lie, but he's a really crappy negotiator.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/keystone-pipeline-buy-american-exemption-235639

(03-03-2017 03:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm not going to read the article because you are already lying. I remember what Trump said when this happened (and it was a lot longer than two days ago, so another lie.) Trump said that they must use US steel where they could. He never said ONLY us steel. So, if you are already lying, Im' betting the article is a lie as well.

(03-03-2017 03:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm not going to read the article because you are already lying. I remember what Trump said when this happened (and it was a lot longer than two days ago, so another lie.) Trump said that they must use US steel where they could. He never said ONLY us steel. So, if you are already lying, Im' betting the article is a lie as well.

(03-03-2017 03:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So DJT and the GOP say that Keystone would bring American jobs, then DJT goes out and specifically refers to pipelines being made with American steel. That lasted all of two days, apparently.

So lets recap. DJT wants to build a pipeline to allow a FLOOD of cheap Canadian production undercut American producers, won't mandate that Americans be helped in the construction, and won't mandate that any of that production stay here in the US to help US consumers (its all going to China).

Not only did he lie, but he's a really crappy negotiator.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/keystone-pipeline-buy-american-exemption-235639

He is a much better negotiator than you, more successful also. The pipeline and any infrastructure projects should be awarded to the best and lowest cost contractors. There should not be american made steel mandates. I disagree with Trump on this.

(03-03-2017 03:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm not going to read the article because you are already lying. I remember what Trump said when this happened (and it was a lot longer than two days ago, so another lie.) Trump said that they must use US steel where they could. He never said ONLY us steel. So, if you are already lying, Im' betting the article is a lie as well.

What did he say during his SOTU speech....

However, in his address to Congress earlier this week, Trump spoke of the order in the same sentence as Keystone but carefully described it as directing "that new American pipelines be made with American steel."

And in public comments in February

“We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone Pipeline, but they have to buy ... steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country,” Trump told U.S. Steel Chief Executive Mario Longhi at a Feb. 23 meeting.

And that's before you get to the literally thousands of statements by Republicans going back years claiming that the pipeline would result in American jobs.

Let me guess, the American job will be at a lobbying firm in DC, cashing checks from foreign companies to get special deals that screw the US worker, the US economy, and the US environment.

Quote:Trump signed the order calling for the Commerce Department to develop a plan for U.S. steel to be used in “all new pipelines, as well as retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipelines” inside the U.S. projects “to the maximum extent possible.”

(03-03-2017 03:54 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  so where does it say they Trump himself exempted anything?

Quote:Trump signed the order calling for the Commerce Department to develop a plan for U.S. steel to be used in “all new pipelines, as well as retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipelines” inside the U.S. projects “to the maximum extent possible.”

the last 5 words are key. Again, the KXL contracts are all most likely in place. Hopefully Trump can do something there. If if he can't I'm not going to panic.

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(03-03-2017 03:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm not going to read the article because you are already lying. I remember what Trump said when this happened (and it was a lot longer than two days ago, so another lie.) Trump said that they must use US steel where they could. He never said ONLY us steel. So, if you are already lying, Im' betting the article is a lie as well.

What did he say during his SOTU speech....

However, in his address to Congress earlier this week, Trump spoke of the order in the same sentence as Keystone but carefully described it as directing "that new American pipelines be made with American steel."

And in public comments in February

“We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone Pipeline, but they have to buy ... steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country,” Trump told U.S. Steel Chief Executive Mario Longhi at a Feb. 23 meeting.

And that's before you get to the literally thousands of statements by Republicans going back years claiming that the pipeline would result in American jobs.

Let me guess, the American job will be at a lobbying firm in DC, cashing checks from foreign companies to get special deals that screw the US worker, the US economy, and the US environment.

Are you kidding with this or please tell me you're not serious.

Who do you think is gonna get the pipeline all put together, regardless where the actual pipe comes from? Dig the ditches, install the supports, clear land, engineer all this stuff, on and on and on?!? FOREIGN WORKERS

You nuts, or just a full blown case of TDS?

(03-03-2017 03:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Yup, just toss it all in the bin. Start over. Solid idea.



https://www.google.com/search?q=pipeline+piles+for+KXL&biw=905&bih=600&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQldrOm7vSAhUC6IMKHUFSD4IQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=Dal_Wtf_BrWiuM:

Quote:"We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access pipelines -- thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs -- and I've issued a new directive that new American pipelines be made with American steel," Trump said.

(03-03-2017 04:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 03:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm not going to read the article because you are already lying. I remember what Trump said when this happened (and it was a lot longer than two days ago, so another lie.) Trump said that they must use US steel where they could. He never said ONLY us steel. So, if you are already lying, Im' betting the article is a lie as well.

What did he say during his SOTU speech....

However, in his address to Congress earlier this week, Trump spoke of the order in the same sentence as Keystone but carefully described it as directing "that new American pipelines be made with American steel."

And in public comments in February

“We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone Pipeline, but they have to buy ... steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country,” Trump told U.S. Steel Chief Executive Mario Longhi at a Feb. 23 meeting.

And that's before you get to the literally thousands of statements by Republicans going back years claiming that the pipeline would result in American jobs.

Let me guess, the American job will be at a lobbying firm in DC, cashing checks from foreign companies to get special deals that screw the US worker, the US economy, and the US environment.

Are you kidding with this or please tell me you're not serious.

Who do you think is gonna get the pipeline all put together, regardless where the actual pipe comes from? Dig the ditches, install the supports, clear land, engineer all this stuff, on and on and on?!? FOREIGN WORKERS

You nuts, or just a full blown case of TDS?

My comments in ALL CAPS

(03-03-2017 04:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  so KXL is about 1/2 to 2/3 complete. 75% of the pipe is under contract , in production or in place. so what do you think this quote means?

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/metals/london/factchecking-trump-directive-to-buy-american-21038087

Quote:"We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access pipelines -- thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs -- and I've issued a new directive that new American pipelines be made with American steel," Trump said.

NEW pipelines... NEW.

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