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AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - DavidSt - 03-02-2017 05:33 AM
https://tmgcollegesports.com/2017/03/01/american-conference-looking-to-upgrade-hoops/
They could add 3 hoop schools.
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
Three strong basketball schools which could boast ACC up in RPI.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - orangefan - 03-02-2017 07:55 AM
Makes a huge amount of sense. The conference has a few strong brands, but too many of the members have weak basketball programs. Add the three listed and the AAC separates itself from high mid-majors and moves closer to major status.
Query whether this is the American's reaction to rumors about UConn talking to the Big East.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Phlipper33 - 03-02-2017 08:27 AM
(03-02-2017 07:55 AM)orangefan Wrote: Makes a huge amount of sense. The conference has a few strong brands, but too many of the members have weak basketball programs. Add the three listed and the AAC separates itself from high mid-majors and moves closer to major status.
Query whether this is the American's reaction to rumors about UConn talking to the Big East.
So I'm hearing this may be in reaction to the rumors about UConn talking to the Big East...
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - GoldenWarrior11 - 03-02-2017 08:46 AM
Would be extremely smart move. Not only does it improve basketball but each school is within the footprint.
The question, however, is whether these additions help increase value of next TV deal. If they don't, the AAC then needs the next deal to be much higher from football to not take away anything from current members.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Carolina_Low_Country - 03-02-2017 08:49 AM
We need to add Dayton, Wichita State, and VCU as soon as possible.
For a few reasons:
1) Move inventory for TV contracts for basketball season
2) All three have great fan bases which is what we need for the American basketball tournament, TV (makes a big difference with fans in the stands), and these fans travel
3) Local rivals: Dayton vs. Cincinnati (Great conference rivalry) VCU vs East Carolina (Another potential good rivalry), and Wichita State vs. Tulsa
4) 14 teams means more schools to make the NCAA which gets us more NCAA credits and a better chance of having a team make a run
5) Takes schools from MVC and A-10. Almost guarantees the MVC conference becomes a one bid league, make the A-10 a one or two bid league.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - EmeryZach - 03-02-2017 09:03 AM
Make it four schools and add UMass.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - CliftonAve - 03-02-2017 09:03 AM
(03-02-2017 07:55 AM)orangefan Wrote: Makes a huge amount of sense. The conference has a few strong brands, but too many of the members have weak basketball programs. Add the three listed and the AAC separates itself from high mid-majors and moves closer to major status.
Query whether this is the American's reaction to rumors about UConn talking to the Big East.
My guess is these schools were in talks before UConn started talking to the BE. The AAC has been dealing with rumors of schools departing for the past few years now (everyone to the BigXII).
(03-02-2017 08:46 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Would be extremely smart move. Not only does it improve basketball but each school is within the footprint.
The question, however, is whether these additions help increase value of next TV deal. If they don't, the AAC then needs the next deal to be much higher from football to not take away anything from current members.
Not sure if it helps the contract-- possibly, maybe. If anything though, it will get the conference more NCAA Tourny credits. As it stands this conference has been only able to muster 2-3 tourney bids a year. That's a drastic decline from what UC, UConn and USF were used to while in the Big East.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Minutemen429 - 03-02-2017 09:06 AM
VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - CliftonAve - 03-02-2017 09:15 AM
(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
Its not a tough decision at all. The AAC pays a 10X what the A-10 does and the TV exposure is infinitely better (is A-10 basketball even on TV?).
If teams leave the AAC Dayton, Wichita, VCU or whomever will just have to react accordingly. That's just the nature of the beast in this day in age.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - mturn017 - 03-02-2017 09:18 AM
(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
I agree. I think the AAC with these teams would have a higher profile but will it be worth it to be the red headed stepchild in a FB conference? I'm not sure how the money would work out either. There'd be more NCAA credits in the new conference no doubt but they'd be shared out more. Currently in the A10 the team that earns the credits get to keep the lions share. Who knows about TV money. And travel' be worse for all their sports. Certainly not the slam dunk decision it is for WSU.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - MinerInWisconsin - 03-02-2017 09:24 AM
(03-02-2017 09:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
Its not a tough decision at all. The AAC pays a 10X what the A-10 does and the TV exposure is infinitely better (is A-10 basketball even on TV?).
If teams leave the AAC Dayton, Wichita, VCU or whomever will just have to react accordingly. That's just the nature of the beast in this day in age.
Considering that the 3 schools would be Olympic sports affiliates, they would not receive money from the AAC football media deal or cfp money. I believe the A10 schools have a media deal worth about $350k each. Would the AAC pay 10 times more than that to those 3?
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - orangefan - 03-02-2017 09:32 AM
(03-02-2017 09:24 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
Its not a tough decision at all. The AAC pays a 10X what the A-10 does and the TV exposure is infinitely better (is A-10 basketball even on TV?).
If teams leave the AAC Dayton, Wichita, VCU or whomever will just have to react accordingly. That's just the nature of the beast in this day in age.
Considering that the 3 schools would be Olympic sports affiliates, they would not receive money from the AAC football media deal or cfp money. I believe the A10 schools have a media deal worth about $350k each. Would the AAC pay 10 times more than that to those 3?
The ACC formula with Notre Dame is a 20% of a full share of TV money (although I understand ND will get a full share of the ACCN).
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Attackcoog - 03-02-2017 09:44 AM
(03-02-2017 09:24 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
Its not a tough decision at all. The AAC pays a 10X what the A-10 does and the TV exposure is infinitely better (is A-10 basketball even on TV?).
If teams leave the AAC Dayton, Wichita, VCU or whomever will just have to react accordingly. That's just the nature of the beast in this day in age.
Considering that the 3 schools would be Olympic sports affiliates, they would not receive money from the AAC football media deal or cfp money. I believe the A10 schools have a media deal worth about $350k each. Would the AAC pay 10 times more than that to those 3?
Using the old 70/30 football-basketball formula that was to be used by the AAC when the C7 and Boise were still expected to be part of the league, the media payout out would be about $430K for the proposed AAC Olympic members---assuming no increase in the current deal. A share of NCAA credits would be on top of that. Personally, I suspect such a move would be part of a renegotiation with ESPN that would cover Navy's rights when their Indy contract ends in 2018 and a raise/extension for the entire expanded league.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - MinerInWisconsin - 03-02-2017 09:58 AM
(03-02-2017 09:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:24 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:(03-02-2017 09:06 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: VCU and Dayton would have a tough decision. An AAC with VCU and Dayton would certainly be better than an A-10 without them, but almost every team in the AAC applied for Big 12 membership a couple months ago. What if five years down the road Memphis, Cinci and UConn are gone? Now you have left a basketball focused league for a football focused league and the top basketball teams have left.
Dayton goal is the Big East. VCU, do they want to start football?
Wichita seems like a no brainer for both sides
Its not a tough decision at all. The AAC pays a 10X what the A-10 does and the TV exposure is infinitely better (is A-10 basketball even on TV?).
If teams leave the AAC Dayton, Wichita, VCU or whomever will just have to react accordingly. That's just the nature of the beast in this day in age.
Considering that the 3 schools would be Olympic sports affiliates, they would not receive money from the AAC football media deal or cfp money. I believe the A10 schools have a media deal worth about $350k each. Would the AAC pay 10 times more than that to those 3?
Using the old 70/30 football-basketball formula that was to be used by the AAC when the C7 and Boise were still expected to be part of the league, the payout out would be about $430K for the proposed AAC Olympic members---assuming no increase in the current deal. Personally, I suspect such a move would be part of a renegotiation with ESPN that would cover Navy's rights when their Indy contract ends in 2018 and a raise/extension for the entire expanded league.
Even with no increase over their current income, and there probably would be an increase, I would have to believe that WSU would be all over an invite to the AAC.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - SubGod22 - 03-02-2017 10:00 AM
I think Wichita gets about $1.50 from whatever deal the MVC may have. Exposure alone would be worth it for us. That and we start getting in markets we recruit.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Soobahk40050 - 03-02-2017 10:18 AM
A basketball expansion (particularly with a school like Wichita State that is considering adding football) seems smart. However, the conference does need to be cautious. I always hate the phrase "well we tried it before and it didn't work," because circumstances are always changing, but the history of the AAC/Big East and the basketball/football school division should give them reason to be smart about who to expand with and how to develop the league. Wichita could be the new Villanova in terms of football - always a possibility but never happening. I am not saying it is a bad idea at all, in fact it does make sense in this iteration, just that the conference needs to tread carefully and make good decisions.
I have generally imagined the AAC as eventually being an academic focused league, with smaller privates and generally well rated publics. So for instance, if Houston ever does leave for the Big 12, take Rice. Then if Cincy leaves, take UMass or Buffalo(?) and you wind up with a North of: Temple, UConn, UMass, South Florida (heavy research) + ECU and UCF. The South would be SMU/Tulsa/Rice/Tulane + Navy and Memphis. I feel like that is an identity worth building, so any basketball additions need to leave open that possibility, or also be solid research institutions or well rated privates.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Carolina_Low_Country - 03-02-2017 10:18 AM
Once the American adds these three for basketball only, I think we expand to 16 for football and 16 for basketball. With Army and Air Force coming on as football only and BYU & Boise State coming on for all sports.
Basketball Divisions
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Wichita State
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Tulane
EAST
Cincinnati
Dayton
East Carolina
VCU
UCF
South Florida
Temple
UConn
FOOTBALL DIVISIONS
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Air Force
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Memphis
EAST
UConn
Army
Temple
Navy
East Carolina
Cincinnati
South Florida
UCF
Army-Navy games moves back to Friday after Thanksgiving.
At that point you try to get a tie in with the Cotton Bowl or Peach Bowl
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - Steve1981 - 03-02-2017 10:33 AM
Wichita St looks like a no brainer for both sides, Dayton and VCU is real muddy. The difference in TV money is not that big and the A10 favors teams that have active NCAA credits that go for 6 years. Those teams share in the 75% pool of money earned.
Keep an eye on us this fall.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - MplsBison - 03-02-2017 10:43 AM
WSU no-brainer. Tulsa was old rival. Maybe one day they start football, but don't need it at the moment.
Not sure about VCU and Dayton. Maybe VCU, if they want to start football one day. But obviously Dayton wants the Big East.
As non-football members, and assuming UConn leaves, not sure the non-football share in the AAC is going to be a huge amount of money.
RE: AAC Looking To Upgrade Hoops With Expansion - mturn017 - 03-02-2017 10:50 AM
(03-02-2017 10:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote: WSU no-brainer. Tulsa was old rival. Maybe one day they start football, but don't need it at the moment.
Not sure about VCU and Dayton. Maybe VCU, if they want to start football one day. But obviously Dayton wants the Big East.
As non-football members, and assuming UConn leaves, not sure the non-football share in the AAC is going to be a huge amount of money.
I figured this was an attempt to keep UCONN happy so that they'd stay.