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SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - TroyFootball05 - 02-27-2017 02:26 PM
T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - AtlantaJag - 02-27-2017 02:41 PM
(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
I'm not sure where he's getting his list of starters from to compare with returning players. USA is returning seven starters on offense that were slated to start the Arizona Bowl (one of them didn't because of an injury sustained in practice) and another seven on defense.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - LatahCounty - 02-27-2017 03:44 PM
(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
I guess I'm not disputing the numbers but I can only think of about 4 guys we lost who we're really going to have a hard time replacing. We lost our starting WR's, for example, but we have a zillion receivers. And other than Jayshawn Jordan we lost some highly replaceable DBs.
Our strengths last year were throwing the ball and stuffing the run and given who we have coming back we should be just as good at those things this year.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - Atlanta Trojan - 02-27-2017 04:26 PM
2017 gonna be fun
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - AppfanInCAAland - 02-27-2017 05:09 PM
Am I recalling correctly that App will have 7 senior who are 4 year starters next season: Lamb, Nunn, Gossett, Boggs, Stringer, Meadors, Howard.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - AppManDG - 02-27-2017 07:12 PM
(02-27-2017 05:09 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote: Am I recalling correctly that App will have 7 senior who are 4 year starters next season: Lamb, Nunn, Gossett, Boggs, Stringer, Meadors, Howard.
Howard is the only one to start all 12 games as a T Fr and every game since. Lamb & Nunn got the starting nod 2 games into their RS Fr year Stringer & Gossett started their last 7 games a RS Fr. Boggsd & Meadors started the last 6 games as True Fr.
The Apps will have a lot of experience back. However, 2018 will be a completely different story with tons of new faces.
Defense - 7 Returning starters
Fuller & Sims at DE - Both Sr's
Stout at NT - Jr
Boggs at ILB - Sr
Stringer at OLB - Sr
Duck at CB - So
Howard at SS - Sr
Also back
Gibbs at CB - Jr - all conf in '15, sat out '16 with academic issues
Townes at OLB - Sr - PT starter
Thomas at FS - Jr - PT starter
Offense 7 Returning Starters
Lamb at QB - Sr
Moore at RB - Jr
Johnson at LT - So
Gossett at RG - Sr
Nunn at RT - Sr
Meadors at WR - Sr
Rubino at kicker - So
Also Back
Upshaw at RB - Sr - PT starter - Sat out 16 with academic issues
Lewis at WR - Sr - PT starter
Letman at WR - Sr - PT starter
Jones at WR - Sr - PT starter
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - JCGSU - 02-28-2017 10:01 AM
(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
Troy has it all in front of them it appears this year...still got to do it.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - geauxcajuns - 02-28-2017 10:19 AM
Well, we will suck and have a new coach for '18.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - Florida RedWolf - 03-02-2017 06:36 PM
(02-28-2017 10:19 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: Well, we will suck and have a new coach for '18.
I am really surprised you have not let your coach go by now. You could possibly luck out however, if Ole Miss is forced to let Freeze go. But any number of coaches would improve your situation.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - Florida RedWolf - 03-02-2017 06:36 PM
(02-28-2017 10:19 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: Well, we will suck and have a new coach for '18.
I am really surprised you have not let your coach go by now. You could possibly luck out however, if Ole Miss is forced to let Freeze go. But any number of coaches would improve your situation.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - GaSoEagle - 03-02-2017 06:59 PM
If we suck again this year we will have a new coach too. If Summers had not overhauled his offensive coaches he would be gone now
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - SkullyMaroo - 03-02-2017 08:10 PM
(02-27-2017 02:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
I'm not sure where he's getting his list of starters from to compare with returning players. USA is returning seven starters on offense that were slated to start the Arizona Bowl (one of them didn't because of an injury sustained in practice) and another seven on defense.
There is a discrepancy and I trust your numbers at 14 returning starters. But even if these players were accounted for, 14 would be misleading in a way since several players that would have been starters that were out for the season will be available this year. We have a tough schedule, so it might be harder to have a better record, but I'm hopeful for a better conference record at least.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - Shof - 03-03-2017 10:10 AM
(03-02-2017 06:36 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:(02-28-2017 10:19 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: Well, we will suck and have a new coach for '18.
I am really surprised you have not let your coach go by now. You could possibly luck out however, if Ole Miss is forced to let Freeze go. But any number of coaches would improve your situation.
Well, his current payout is pretty high. Pretty sure he will get at least this upcoming year to right the ship. New AD onboard probably gives him a chance. We will see...........
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - AtlantaJag - 03-03-2017 01:29 PM
(03-02-2017 08:10 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:(02-27-2017 02:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
I'm not sure where he's getting his list of starters from to compare with returning players. USA is returning seven starters on offense that were slated to start the Arizona Bowl (one of them didn't because of an injury sustained in practice) and another seven on defense.
There is a discrepancy and I trust your numbers at 14 returning starters. But even if these players were accounted for, 14 would be misleading in a way since several players that would have been starters that were out for the season will be available this year. We have a tough schedule, so it might be harder to have a better record, but I'm hopeful for a better conference record at least.
Yeah, I didn't even get into the projected starters that were hurt before the season even started. I figured even an OCD numbers guy like Phil Steele probably sets the standard as having actually started games in 2016 to be counted. That's what's a little surprising, since apparently he left off players that started because of injury but doesn't count that those original starters are returning. Seems to me the easiest way to do it is to look at the depth chart for the last game of the 2016 season for each team and count the underclassmen starters as returning.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - TroyFootball05 - 03-03-2017 02:21 PM
Every fanbase likely has a story on how they actually return 18 starters if you account for xyz. Phil Steele's list is more of a baseline estimate in that regard. His returning contribution percentage chart (% of total yards offensively, and % of tackles defensively that return) is a much better estimate on who returns what. That will be interesting to see.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - TroyFootball05 - 03-03-2017 02:24 PM
(03-03-2017 01:29 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: Seems to me the easiest way to do it is to look at the depth chart for the last game of the 2016 season for each team and count the underclassmen starters as returning.
Not really. If you have two or three guys that only started the bowl game I wouldn't consider them a returning starter. I would put the bare minimum at three games to be considered a returning starter. It would be very difficult for Steele or anyone to research it fully, though.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - airtroop - 03-03-2017 02:40 PM
(03-02-2017 08:10 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:(02-27-2017 02:41 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:(02-27-2017 02:26 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: T9 ULM (16)
T25 New Mexico St (15)
T25 Troy (15)
T48 Georgia St (14)
T48 Texas St (14)
T71 Appalachian St (13)
T71 UL Lafayette (13)
T103 Coastal Carolina (11)
T114 Arkansas St (10)
T114 Georgia Southern (10)
T114 Idaho (10)
T114 South Alabama (10)
http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2017/FEB17/DBFeb25.html
I'm not sure where he's getting his list of starters from to compare with returning players. USA is returning seven starters on offense that were slated to start the Arizona Bowl (one of them didn't because of an injury sustained in practice) and another seven on defense.
There is a discrepancy and I trust your numbers at 14 returning starters. But even if these players were accounted for, 14 would be misleading in a way since several players that would have been starters that were out for the season will be available this year. We have a tough schedule, so it might be harder to have a better record, but I'm hopeful for a better conference record at least.
Yeah, we're certainly not going to be sneaking up on anybody OOC with the element of surprise this year vs last year. We're going to get everybody's A-game I would think.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - TroyFootball05 - 03-03-2017 03:06 PM
Is Gerald Everrett coming back?
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - JCGSU - 03-03-2017 04:20 PM
(03-02-2017 06:59 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote: If we suck again this year we will have a new coach too. If Summers had not overhauled his offensive coaches he would be gone now
Unfortunately, barring 3-9 or worse disaster he is probably not going anywhere for two years. We just gave the OC a two year deal, I doubt we are going to find a coach worth a crap that is going to take a job with no say in the OC position and I doubt we have the money to buy out Summers, pay a new coach and two OC's. This is going to be a two year ride with CTS just hope for the best.
RE: SBC's Returning Starters For 2017 (Phil Steele) - JCGSU - 03-03-2017 04:22 PM
(03-03-2017 02:21 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: Every fanbase likely has a story on how they actually return 18 starters if you account for xyz. Phil Steele's list is more of a baseline estimate in that regard. His returning contribution percentage chart (% of total yards offensively, and % of tackles defensively that return) is a much better estimate on who returns what. That will be interesting to see.
Link? Or has it come out yet?