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JMU @ Elon Hoops - Hart Foundation - 01-30-2017 09:58 PM
Let's get this started since Wednesday and Thursday will be football signing day mania. Little ol' Elon is going to be a significant favorite in this one playing in their 50's style high school gym.
Elon has a very similar makeup as the Dukes with players who lack elite athleticism. However, they shoot 3's with impunity. Even though they aren't a great shooting team they make the 18th most 3's per game in the nation. Their offensive style is Very reminiscent of how Brady coached JMU last year valuing shooting as the #1 skill in basketball. You have to put the biscuit in the basket.
Elon will be amped for revenge as they fell to JMU by 1 in Harrisonburg when Seibring missed a jumper at the buzzer. Speaking of Seibring, he has a nice stretch 4 game and so does Dawkins.
Finally a game is on TV, although most don't want to watch the Dukes anymore.
Elon 75
JMU 63
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - nyduke - 01-31-2017 10:11 AM
Elon by 6
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - PurpleStreamers - 01-31-2017 10:39 AM
I'm headed to what may be my only game this season. Hoping the Dukes at least make it competitive and fun to watch. Hope to see a few of you out there in big ole' Burlington!
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Wear Purple - 01-31-2017 10:45 AM
To support the OP notion that "most don't watch the Dukes anymore", the home attendance is indicative that this is true and has been in decline for quite a while. In other words, this is nothing new. The data below direct from jmusports.com shows how each HC post-Lefty has declined and it continues in Rowe's 1st year (not 4th year or 8th year, but 1st year).
Going back to 1988 (almost 30 years!), which was the Lefthander's first year, here are the average home attendance numbers for each season and then a summary below...
Lefty
1988: 4,349
1989: 6,142
1990: 6,802 (the highest)
1991: 6,292
1992: 6,122
1993: 6,086
1994: 5,616
1995: 5,637
1996: 4,569
Dillard
1997: 4,614
1998: 4,515
1999: 4,191
2000: 4,268
2001: 3,926
2002: 4,466
2003: 3,726
2004: 3,697
Keener
2005: 3,223
2006: 3,819
2007: 3,302
2008: 3,396
Brady
2009: 3,603
2010: 3,732
2011: 3,721
2012: 3,452
2013: 3,334
2014: 3,612
2015: 3,416
2016: 3,001
Rowe to date
2017: 2,677
Average of the averages...
Lefty: 5,735
Dillard: 4,175
Keener: 3,435
Brady: 3,484
Rowe to date: 2,677
Average attendance dropped 27% from the Lefty to Dillard eras. It dropped another 17% from the Dillard era to the 12 years under Keener & Brady. It has dropped 50% today versus 25-30 years ago.
What's worse is an entire generation of JMU students have spent their time with crappy Men's Hoops for the most part (all while the student body population has steadily increased in size). We of course have some die hard MBB fans who started while as students and continue on. Buddha bless 'em as they've had to endure some very hard times. Hook 'em in while students and they'll be supporters forever. That's what's hopefully happening in FB. To be attractive to bigger conferences for those that want out of the CAA and bigger 'n better things for JMU, I doubt anybody is looking at the MBB complexion and thinking good things. Maybe the new Convo will help. Certainly it will. Winning would help a lot more.
None of this is on Rowe, btw. This has been going on in decline since he was a player and assistant. He's inheriting a bad situation (poor attendance, dump of an arena, no difference making talent, etc.). He has his work cut out for him. He deserves our support and less snide comments or living in a past that was distasteful as attendance indicates.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - PurpleStreamers - 01-31-2017 11:36 AM
(01-31-2017 10:45 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: To support the OP notion that "most don't watch the Dukes anymore", the home attendance is indicative that this is true and has been in decline for quite a while. In other words, this is nothing new. The data below direct from jmusports.com shows how each HC post-Lefty has declined and it continues in Rowe's 1st year (not 4th year or 8th year, but 1st year).
Going back to 1988 (almost 30 years!), which was the Lefthander's first year, here are the average home attendance numbers for each season and then a summary below...
Lefty
1988: 4,349
1989: 6,142
1990: 6,802 (the highest)
1991: 6,292
1992: 6,122
1993: 6,086
1994: 5,616
1995: 5,637
1996: 4,569
Dillard
1997: 4,614
1998: 4,515
1999: 4,191
2000: 4,268
2001: 3,926
2002: 4,466
2003: 3,726
2004: 3,697
Keener
2005: 3,223
2006: 3,819
2007: 3,302
2008: 3,396
Brady
2009: 3,603
2010: 3,732
2011: 3,721
2012: 3,452
2013: 3,334
2014: 3,612
2015: 3,416
2016: 3,001
Rowe to date
2017: 2,677
Average of the averages...
Lefty: 5,735
Dillard: 4,175
Keener: 3,435
Brady: 3,484
Rowe to date: 2,677
Average attendance dropped 27% from the Lefty to Dillard eras. It dropped another 17% from the Dillard era to the 12 years under Keener & Brady. It has dropped 50% today versus 25-30 years ago.
What's worse is an entire generation of JMU students have spent their time with crappy Men's Hoops for the most part (all while the student body population has steadily increased in size). We of course have some die hard MBB fans who started while as students and continue on. Buddha bless 'em as they've had to endure some very hard times. Hook 'em in while students and they'll be supporters forever. That's what's hopefully happening in FB. To be attractive to bigger conferences for those that want out of the CAA and bigger 'n better things for JMU, I doubt anybody is looking at the MBB complexion and thinking good things. Maybe the new Convo will help. Certainly it will. Winning would help a lot more.
None of this is on Rowe, btw. This has been going on in decline since he was a player and assistant. He's inheriting a bad situation (poor attendance, dump of an arena, no difference making talent, etc.). He has his work cut out for him. He deserves our support and less snide comments or living in a past that was distasteful as attendance indicates.
The incredible part about this is this has taken place while JMU's enrollment has skyrocketed since the Lefty years. We all complain about students leaving FB games early, but it's staggering to think that for big games we have 7-8k, or 40% of the entire student body, show up.
Local non-student support for hoops is always going to be low barring a serious run so student turnout is going to be the huge differentiator in attendance. Those larger early 90's numbers are still pre-internet (for non-geeks I know) and before the massive availability of a billion games and other tv options, even non-sports. Put simply, not a whole lot of other entertainment options in the Valley on a Tuesday in '92. I was there '95-'99 and even then there was still a lingering perception that the CAA was relevant which doesn't exist anymore. That's not meant as an anti-CAA comment, just to say it's pretty obvious to anyone but a true die-hard that there is hardly any product of any kind that is more disposable than a regular-season mid-major matchup of mediocre teams.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - JMUNation - 01-31-2017 12:02 PM
Did anyone else see the tweets on the new athletic facilities at Elon? It looks like a new basketball facility is going up. I mention this because Hart was busting on Elon's gym.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Hart Foundation - 01-31-2017 12:03 PM
(01-31-2017 10:45 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: To support the OP notion that "most don't watch the Dukes anymore", the home attendance is indicative that this is true and has been in decline for quite a while. In other words, this is nothing new. The data below direct from jmusports.com shows how each HC post-Lefty has declined and it continues in Rowe's 1st year (not 4th year or 8th year, but 1st year).
Going back to 1988 (almost 30 years!), which was the Lefthander's first year, here are the average home attendance numbers for each season and then a summary below...
Lefty
1988: 4,349
1989: 6,142
1990: 6,802 (the highest)
1991: 6,292
1992: 6,122
1993: 6,086
1994: 5,616
1995: 5,637
1996: 4,569
Dillard
1997: 4,614
1998: 4,515
1999: 4,191
2000: 4,268
2001: 3,926
2002: 4,466
2003: 3,726
2004: 3,697
Keener
2005: 3,223
2006: 3,819
2007: 3,302
2008: 3,396
Brady
2009: 3,603
2010: 3,732
2011: 3,721
2012: 3,452
2013: 3,334
2014: 3,612
2015: 3,416
2016: 3,001
Rowe to date
2017: 2,677
Average of the averages...
Lefty: 5,735
Dillard: 4,175
Keener: 3,435
Brady: 3,484
Rowe to date: 2,677
Average attendance dropped 27% from the Lefty to Dillard eras. It dropped another 17% from the Dillard era to the 12 years under Keener & Brady. It has dropped 50% today versus 25-30 years ago.
What's worse is an entire generation of JMU students have spent their time with crappy Men's Hoops for the most part (all while the student body population has steadily increased in size). We of course have some die hard MBB fans who started while as students and continue on. Buddha bless 'em as they've had to endure some very hard times. Hook 'em in while students and they'll be supporters forever. That's what's hopefully happening in FB. To be attractive to bigger conferences for those that want out of the CAA and bigger 'n better things for JMU, I doubt anybody is looking at the MBB complexion and thinking good things. Maybe the new Convo will help. Certainly it will. Winning would help a lot more.
None of this is on Rowe, btw. This has been going on in decline since he was a player and assistant. He's inheriting a bad situation (poor attendance, dump of an arena, no difference making talent, etc.). He has his work cut out for him. He deserves our support and less snide comments or living in a past that was distasteful as attendance indicates.
Ugh, I knew it was bad but didn't realize it had gotten worse this year. One of Bourne's stated key priorities for Rowe was to increase attendance.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - 2Buck - 01-31-2017 12:07 PM
I was there during Lefty's early years, the games were definitely "events" much like a big football game. All the kids would booze up and go in huge groups after gorging at D-Hall. The program has to be winning but once you get a taste of that experience you'd want to go consistently. On a smaller scale than a packed football game but definitely rowdier.
My concern with a huge new arena is the experience in that cavernous building with even fewer fans is going to be like Ga State games in their big empty dome. A mediocre program is going to be a snoozer if there aren't a ton of kids in there making noise.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Longhorn - 01-31-2017 12:09 PM
(01-31-2017 11:36 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote: The incredible part about this is this has taken place while JMU's enrollment has skyrocketed since the Lefty years. I was there '95-'99 and even then there was still a lingering perception that the CAA was relevant which doesn't exist anymore. That's not meant as an anti-CAA comment, just to say it's pretty obvious to anyone but a true die-hard that there is hardly any product of any kind that is more disposable than a regular-season mid-major matchup of mediocre teams.
It has nothing to do with matching up with mid-season "mediocre teams"....it has to do with winning, and providing students with something other than a lousy nose-bleed seat miles from the action.
The team needs to win consistently, and provide students with court-side seats in a decent facility with instant-replay and jazzy ribbon boards. Ultimately, students won't care if we're beating Elon or Villanova so long as the students get ring-side seats in an exciting environment, PLUS the team is making the NCAAT more than once every 20 years.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Rock House Duke - 01-31-2017 12:14 PM
As 2Buck said, I hope our men's basketball games do not feel like a Georgia State home game after the new car smell wears off after a year or two in the new convo.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Purplehazed - 01-31-2017 01:15 PM
(01-31-2017 12:03 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:(01-31-2017 10:45 AM)Wear Purple Wrote: To support the OP notion that "most don't watch the Dukes anymore", the home attendance is indicative that this is true and has been in decline for quite a while. In other words, this is nothing new. The data below direct from jmusports.com shows how each HC post-Lefty has declined and it continues in Rowe's 1st year (not 4th year or 8th year, but 1st year).
Going back to 1988 (almost 30 years!), which was the Lefthander's first year, here are the average home attendance numbers for each season and then a summary below...
Lefty
1988: 4,349
1989: 6,142
1990: 6,802 (the highest)
1991: 6,292
1992: 6,122
1993: 6,086
1994: 5,616
1995: 5,637
1996: 4,569
Dillard
1997: 4,614
1998: 4,515
1999: 4,191
2000: 4,268
2001: 3,926
2002: 4,466
2003: 3,726
2004: 3,697
Keener
2005: 3,223
2006: 3,819
2007: 3,302
2008: 3,396
Brady
2009: 3,603
2010: 3,732
2011: 3,721
2012: 3,452
2013: 3,334
2014: 3,612
2015: 3,416
2016: 3,001
Rowe to date
2017: 2,677
Average of the averages...
Lefty: 5,735
Dillard: 4,175
Keener: 3,435
Brady: 3,484
Rowe to date: 2,677
Average attendance dropped 27% from the Lefty to Dillard eras. It dropped another 17% from the Dillard era to the 12 years under Keener & Brady. It has dropped 50% today versus 25-30 years ago.
What's worse is an entire generation of JMU students have spent their time with crappy Men's Hoops for the most part (all while the student body population has steadily increased in size). We of course have some die hard MBB fans who started while as students and continue on. Buddha bless 'em as they've had to endure some very hard times. Hook 'em in while students and they'll be supporters forever. That's what's hopefully happening in FB. To be attractive to bigger conferences for those that want out of the CAA and bigger 'n better things for JMU, I doubt anybody is looking at the MBB complexion and thinking good things. Maybe the new Convo will help. Certainly it will. Winning would help a lot more.
None of this is on Rowe, btw. This has been going on in decline since he was a player and assistant. He's inheriting a bad situation (poor attendance, dump of an arena, no difference making talent, etc.). He has his work cut out for him. He deserves our support and less snide comments or living in a past that was distasteful as attendance indicates.
Ugh, I knew it was bad but didn't realize it had gotten worse this year. One of Bourne's stated key priorities for Rowe was to increase attendance.
AD since 1999 (I think) Bourne has watched the better part of the basketball attendance decline. JMU has been sued by Marist & Brady was left to recruit lame. Bourne has been quoted in the Daily News Record saying he does not want to play ODU, VCU and GMU in the same season...and now it's Rowe's priority to increase attendance.
Lou, you have been Bourned by the King.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - JMUNation - 01-31-2017 08:07 PM
Geez Haze. Will you ever give it a rest? I have never witnessed anyone with more of a grudge. What did Bourne do to you man?
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Dukester - 01-31-2017 08:51 PM
In all fairness to Lou, have we had the Duke Dog reading day yet?
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Wear Purple - 02-01-2017 04:51 PM
Elon opens as 8 pt favorites.
Elon has won 6 of their last 7 games straight up and have beat the spread in 8 consecutive games.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - JMad03 - 02-01-2017 05:21 PM
Hate to say it, but I'd go all in on taking the over.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - jmuduke10 - 02-02-2017 10:40 AM
(02-01-2017 04:51 PM)Wear Purple Wrote: Elon opens as 8 pt favorites.People betting on the Dukes, line down to 6 last I saw
Elon has won 6 of their last 7 games straight up and have beat the spread in 8 consecutive games.
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RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Hart Foundation - 02-02-2017 04:28 PM
The Dukes can hold onto a sliver of hope by beating Elon tonight. Not only would it give them the tiebreaker over Elon, but somebody has to lose in the Northeastern/W&M game which will drop them to 6-5 in he CAA. 5-6 puts the Dukes within striking distance of 6th place.
A loss would feel like the Dukes are on a freight train straight to the Keener round in Charleston.
If we are hoping for a miraculous run at the CAA tournament it needs to be limited to 3 games not 4.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - JacksonHall - 02-02-2017 06:13 PM
Regardless of whose fault it is, this team sucks.
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Wear Purple - 02-02-2017 06:59 PM
There is online streaming for this game. Just hoping it works. I guess about to find out...
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/elon/portal.htm?eventId=323819&streamType=video
RE: JMU @ Elon Hoops - Hart Foundation - 02-02-2017 07:08 PM
Snowden not starting. Game is on ASN. No need to online stream tonight