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The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - allthatyoucantleavebehind - 01-11-2017 12:33 PM
I know some of the G5 folks find P5 egotists like me insufferable. Sorry. But I truly think THIS is a way to give the country a better product overall. It gives G5 schools (as long as they remain G5 and don't get poached by P5...or resign football and go down to FCS). If you can bear to look at it, I'd like to hear your responses.
NCAA Football Tournament Championship (FTC)
25 Teams ranked on Sunday AM—four weeks of November (last one is Thanksgiving weekend)
Eliminate conference championship games
Home games for higher seeds in first two rounds
Yearly bowl games which host the FTC Semifinals—bid out championship game each year (ala the CFP)
Championship game on Friday night before national title game (the following Monday)
Automatic Bids--Division champs from Group of 5
6 at-large bids
An example from 2016…
(seedings taken from AP poll on Nov. 27—and extrapolated from final regular season rankings—committee would rig the rankings to get best matchups outside of normal conference foes)
1. Western Michigan (MAC West)
2. Navy (AAC West)
3. USF (at large)
4. Houston (at large)
5. Boise State (at large)
6. SDSU (MWC West)
7. Air Force (at large)
8. Temple (AAC East)
9. Appalachian State (Sun Belt co-champ)
10. Western Kentucky (CUSA East)
11. Arkansas State (Sun Belt co-champ)
12. Troy (at large)
13. Wyoming (MWC Mountain)
14. Tulsa (at large)
15. Ohio (MAC East)
16. Louisiana Tech (CUSA West)
Bubble—New Mexico, Memphis, Old Dominion, Idaho
Round of 16
December 9
9 App State at 8 Temple 6pm
16 LaTech at 1 WMU 8pm
12 Troy at 5 Boise State 10pm
December 10
15 Ohio at 2 Navy 12pm
14 Tulsa at 3 USF 3pm
13 Wyoming at 4 Houston 5:30
10 WKU at 7 Air Force 7:30pm
11 Arkansas State at 6 SDSU 9pm
Quarterfinals
December 16
8 Temple at 1 WMU 8pm
December 17
7 Air Force at 2 Navy 1pm
6 SDSU at 3 USF 5pm
5 Boise State at 4 Houston 9pm
Semifinal Bowls
Tuesday, December 27
Alamo Bowl
4 Houston at 1 WMU
Gator Bowl
3 USF at 2 Navy
Football Tournament Championship (FTC)
Friday January 6 at Jerry’s World in Dallas
2 Navy at 1 WMU
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - lance99 - 01-11-2017 12:38 PM
(01-11-2017 12:33 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote: I know some of the G5 folks find P5 egotists like me insufferable. Sorry. But I truly think THIS is a way to give the country a better product overall. It gives G5 schools (as long as they remain G5 and don't get poached by P5...or resign football and go down to FCS). If you can bear to look at it, I'd like to hear your responses.
NCAA Football Tournament Championship (FTC)
25 Teams ranked on Sunday AM—four weeks of November (last one is Thanksgiving weekend)
Eliminate conference championship games
Home games for higher seeds in first two rounds
Yearly bowl games which host the FTC Semifinals—bid out championship game each year (ala the CFP)
Championship game on Friday night before national title game (the following Monday)
Automatic Bids--Division champs from Group of 5
6 at-large bids
An example from 2016…
(seedings taken from AP poll on Nov. 27—and extrapolated from final regular season rankings—committee would rig the rankings to get best matchups outside of normal conference foes)
1. Western Michigan (MAC West)
2. Navy (AAC West)
3. USF (at large)
4. Houston (at large)
5. Boise State (at large)
6. SDSU (MWC West)
7. Air Force (at large)
8. Temple (AAC East)
9. Appalachian State (Sun Belt co-champ)
10. Western Kentucky (CUSA East)
11. Arkansas State (Sun Belt co-champ)
12. Troy (at large)
13. Wyoming (MWC Mountain)
14. Tulsa (at large)
15. Ohio (MAC East)
16. Louisiana Tech (CUSA West)
Bubble—New Mexico, Memphis, Old Dominion, Idaho
Round of 16
December 9
9 App State at 8 Temple 6pm
16 LaTech at 1 WMU 8pm
12 Troy at 5 Boise State 10pm
December 10
15 Ohio at 2 Navy 12pm
14 Tulsa at 3 USF 3pm
13 Wyoming at 4 Houston 5:30
10 WKU at 7 Air Force 7:30pm
11 Arkansas State at 6 SDSU 9pm
Quarterfinals
December 16
8 Temple at 1 WMU 8pm
December 17
7 Air Force at 2 Navy 1pm
6 SDSU at 3 USF 5pm
5 Boise State at 4 Houston 9pm
Semifinal Bowls
Tuesday, December 27
Alamo Bowl
4 Houston at 1 WMU
Gator Bowl
3 USF at 2 Navy
Football Tournament Championship (FTC)
Friday January 6 at Jerry’s World in Dallas
2 Navy at 1 WMU
No
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - billybobby777 - 01-11-2017 04:21 PM
Ick.
Cheers!
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - jrj84105 - 01-11-2017 04:42 PM
The G5 playoff needs to allow the G5 to still participate in the CFP and the FBS bowl structure.
1) No CCG for the G5 conferences.
2) The top 4 G5 teams at the end of the regular season are determined by the CFP committee.
3) During P5 CCG week, G5 semifinals (Go5 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3) are played.
4) The CFP selection occurs. G5 schools are eligible.
5a) If a G5 school is selected for the CFP, then the remaining semifinal winner gets an access bowl bid as well.
5b) If no Go5 school is selected for the CFP, the G5 final is played pre Christmas (Las Vegas bowl timing for instance). The G5 champ then plays in an access bowl vs a P5 school.
There's no relegation, and the bowl structure and access to the CFP are retained.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - C2__ - 01-11-2017 04:46 PM
Might as well create a third subdivision as well.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - Shox - 01-11-2017 05:00 PM
(01-11-2017 04:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: The G5 playoff needs to allow the G5 to still participate in the CFP and the FBS bowl structure.
1) No CCG for the G5 conferences.
2) The top 4 G5 teams at the end of the regular season are determined by the CFP committee.
3) During P5 CCG week, G5 semifinals (Go5 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3) are played.
4) The CFP selection occurs. G5 schools are eligible.
5a) If a G5 school is selected for the CFP, then the remaining semifinal winner gets an access bowl bid as well.
5b) If no Go5 school is selected for the CFP, the G5 final is played pre Christmas (Las Vegas bowl timing for instance). The G5 champ then plays in an access bowl vs a P5 school.
There's no relegation, and the bowl structure and access to the CFP are retained.
Bingo! It's the defacto G5 championship with access to the CFP and NY6. I would go one step further though and keep championship Saturday intact and have all conferences hold the optional championship games. The next week which is now Army/Navy week, would be when the top 4 G5 square off, highest rated teams host. The week of Christmas would be the "access bowl", giving the winning fans an extra week to make travel arrangements. This sight should be in a place that has a very strong history of supporting its bowls and would be held in the same place annually. Maybe the Liberty bowl, Alamo bowl, or best yet Las Vegas bowl. Winner is by default the best G5 and goes onto play in the NY6, or even better an 8 team playoff. Playoffs will be seeded after G5 bowl championship. Oh, and the best part, if a conference (The AAC) wants to opt out, then great. That leaves 4 G5 conferences for four slots. Better make sure that your best is good enough for an at large into the 8 team playoff though...
The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - JHS55 - 01-11-2017 05:06 PM
Sounds like more horse s**t to me
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - Lord Stanley - 01-11-2017 05:08 PM
Your effort is admirable.
Your proposal is a non-starter.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - techdawg28 - 01-11-2017 05:08 PM
First off... No. This will only further the narrative that the G5 don't deserve to be on the same field as the P5 other than to collect a paycheck, and I think you'd see fewer and fewer G5 teams ranked.
Second off, if we are gonna do it (which we won't), I see no reason to drop the CCGs. And we certainly don't need the winner of this then afterwards playing a bowl game against a team that hasn't just gone through a playoff and will be more rested.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - miko33 - 01-11-2017 05:09 PM
Nice troll.
The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - JHS55 - 01-11-2017 05:32 PM
It's funny to watch these axis conference bloks try to include us allied conferences to join their playoff in all these token ways, but it's all the same dumb s**t
The axis conferences realize that a true FBS division split would create two playoffs in FBS and they would lose recruits and power and would have to sit back and watch as the allied power division conferences get stronger and stronger
The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - JHS55 - 01-11-2017 05:34 PM
Hear me now, believe me when it's too late
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - Attackcoog - 01-11-2017 06:04 PM
I can see BeIn and IMG throwing 6 to 7 thousand dollars EACH at the G5 for the rights. Hell, bidding might reach ten grand!!!
No thank you. Its worthless and everyone knows it. The American public cares about the top level of college football and thats it. Better to be in the worst bowl game at the top level of football than in the championship game of the next level down. The G5 will be creating a new sub-level of FBS and thats a HUGE mistake.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - techdawg28 - 01-11-2017 06:09 PM
(01-11-2017 06:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: I can see BeIn and IMG throwing 6 to 7 thousand dollars EACH at the G5 for the rights. Hell, bidding might reach ten grand!!!
No thank you. Its worthless and everyone knows it. The American public cares about the top level of college football and thats it. Better to be in the worst bowl game at the top level of football than in the championship game of the next level down. The G5 will be creating a new sub-level of FBS and thats a HUGE mistake.
^^^
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - Kittonhead - 01-11-2017 08:37 PM
(01-11-2017 05:00 PM)Shox Wrote:(01-11-2017 04:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: The G5 playoff needs to allow the G5 to still participate in the CFP and the FBS bowl structure.
1) No CCG for the G5 conferences.
2) The top 4 G5 teams at the end of the regular season are determined by the CFP committee.
3) During P5 CCG week, G5 semifinals (Go5 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3) are played.
4) The CFP selection occurs. G5 schools are eligible.
5a) If a G5 school is selected for the CFP, then the remaining semifinal winner gets an access bowl bid as well.
5b) If no Go5 school is selected for the CFP, the G5 final is played pre Christmas (Las Vegas bowl timing for instance). The G5 champ then plays in an access bowl vs a P5 school.
There's no relegation, and the bowl structure and access to the CFP are retained.
Bingo! It's the defacto G5 championship with access to the CFP and NY6. I would go one step further though and keep championship Saturday intact and have all conferences hold the optional championship games. The next week which is now Army/Navy week, would be when the top 4 G5 square off, highest rated teams host. The week of Christmas would be the "access bowl", giving the winning fans an extra week to make travel arrangements. This sight should be in a place that has a very strong history of supporting its bowls and would be held in the same place annually. Maybe the Liberty bowl, Alamo bowl, or best yet Las Vegas bowl. Winner is by default the best G5 and goes onto play in the NY6, or even better an 8 team playoff. Playoffs will be seeded after G5 bowl championship. Oh, and the best part, if a conference (The AAC) wants to opt out, then great. That leaves 4 G5 conferences for four slots. Better make sure that your best is good enough for an at large into the 8 team playoff though...
If the G5 can get some bowls to go renegade with a big network partner then it could work.
Do an 8 team playoff; 7 bowl games Poinsettia, Las Vegas, Sun, Liberty, New Orleans, Mobile, Miami Beach with the bowls rotating through quarters, semis and finals over the length of an 8 year contract.
G5 conference champs have a spot plus 3 at-larges to the playoff. With it tough to get an at-large it places emphasis on the regular season and conference championship games. The conference championship games effectively serve as play-in games.
Call it something like the American Bowl Alliance (ABA) which would be distinguished from College Football Playoff (CFP) schools to make it sound like another major college football grouping.
ABA schools that don't make the playoff can be eligible for any NCAA sanctioned bowls. The CFP schools will oversign bowls leaving at-large spots where ABA 8 and 9 win teams can find homes.
ABA should start though by reorganizing into 5/10 team regional conferences all under a shared TV deal. The criteria for getting into the ABA should be attendance so with 64 non-P5 schools (G5, BYU, UMass, UNM) the bottom 14 in NCAA attendance don't get invited.
2016 Bottom 14 in Attendance
South Alabama 16,250
San Jose State 15,419
Bowling Green 15,140
Georgia State 15,103
Massachusetts 14,510
Charlotte 14,192
Louisiana-Monroe 12,610
Idaho 11,190
Northern Illinois 11,019
Kent State 10,898
Akron 10,337
Florida Atlantic 10,073
New Mexico State 9,545
Ball State 7,789
These schools can go find something else to do, FCS or hang around as an FBS independent with the idea of getting an ABA slot some day.
ABA schools organize into 5 geographic conferences
ABA Pacific (mostly MWC)
ABA Southwest (mostly Texas schools)
ABA Midwest (mostly MAC)
ABA Southeast (mostly SBC)
ABA Atlantic (mostly AAC)
ABA Midwest would include Marshall, WKU, Cincinnati
ABA Atlantic would include ODU, App St, Georgia Southern, Army
ABA Southwest would include New Mexico, Tulsa, Tulane
Set the conference structure up more like the pros.
Maybe reduce to 40 and knock out another 10 schools. That would set the attendance line for making the cut at about 18,500.
ABA Pacific (include BYU, UTEP)
ABA Southwest (include LaTech, Louisiana, Arkansas St)
ABA Northeast (include Cincinnati, Marshall, Ohio, Toledo, WMU)
ABA Southeast
4 conference champions to the playoff and 4 more at-large selections for an 8 team field.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - toddjnsn - 01-11-2017 09:58 PM
A G5 Playoff would make the G5 another sub-division -- and leave the FBS. They'd be the "FGS", basically.
That's the main reason why people won't want a G5 Playoff.
Now, you could do so that Specifically Wouldn't include the top G5 team (BCS Bowl) or two (#2 G5 getting a great bowl against a good P5 once in a great while)... but that'd kill the idea of having a G5 playoff anyway.
So it's basically all-or-nothing. No. The G5 does not want to be in its own version of Division1.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - jrj84105 - 01-11-2017 10:11 PM
(01-11-2017 05:00 PM)Shox Wrote:(01-11-2017 04:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: The G5 playoff needs to allow the G5 to still participate in the CFP and the FBS bowl structure.
1) No CCG for the G5 conferences.
2) The top 4 G5 teams at the end of the regular season are determined by the CFP committee.
3) During P5 CCG week, G5 semifinals (Go5 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3) are played.
4) The CFP selection occurs. G5 schools are eligible.
5a) If a G5 school is selected for the CFP, then the remaining semifinal winner gets an access bowl bid as well.
5b) If no Go5 school is selected for the CFP, the G5 final is played pre Christmas (Las Vegas bowl timing for instance). The G5 champ then plays in an access bowl vs a P5 school.
There's no relegation, and the bowl structure and access to the CFP are retained.
Bingo! It's the defacto G5 championship with access to the CFP and NY6. I would go one step further though and keep championship Saturday intact and have all conferences hold the optional championship games. The next week which is now Army/Navy week, would be when the top 4 G5 square off, highest rated teams host. The week of Christmas would be the "access bowl", giving the winning fans an extra week to make travel arrangements. This sight should be in a place that has a very strong history of supporting its bowls and would be held in the same place annually. Maybe the Liberty bowl, Alamo bowl, or best yet Las Vegas bowl. Winner is by default the best G5 and goes onto play in the NY6, or even better an 8 team playoff. Playoffs will be seeded after G5 bowl championship. Oh, and the best part, if a conference (The AAC) wants to opt out, then great. That leaves 4 G5 conferences for four slots. Better make sure that your best is good enough for an at large into the 8 team playoff though...
Part of eliminating the G5 CCGs would be to stop G5 expansion and maybe even incentivize contraction to 10. The G5 would be stabilized and the gap between G5 and FCS widened and stabilized. That would help the G5 stay more closely aligned with the P5.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - Kittonhead - 01-11-2017 10:23 PM
(01-11-2017 10:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:(01-11-2017 05:00 PM)Shox Wrote:(01-11-2017 04:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote: The G5 playoff needs to allow the G5 to still participate in the CFP and the FBS bowl structure.
1) No CCG for the G5 conferences.
2) The top 4 G5 teams at the end of the regular season are determined by the CFP committee.
3) During P5 CCG week, G5 semifinals (Go5 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3) are played.
4) The CFP selection occurs. G5 schools are eligible.
5a) If a G5 school is selected for the CFP, then the remaining semifinal winner gets an access bowl bid as well.
5b) If no Go5 school is selected for the CFP, the G5 final is played pre Christmas (Las Vegas bowl timing for instance). The G5 champ then plays in an access bowl vs a P5 school.
There's no relegation, and the bowl structure and access to the CFP are retained.
Bingo! It's the defacto G5 championship with access to the CFP and NY6. I would go one step further though and keep championship Saturday intact and have all conferences hold the optional championship games. The next week which is now Army/Navy week, would be when the top 4 G5 square off, highest rated teams host. The week of Christmas would be the "access bowl", giving the winning fans an extra week to make travel arrangements. This sight should be in a place that has a very strong history of supporting its bowls and would be held in the same place annually. Maybe the Liberty bowl, Alamo bowl, or best yet Las Vegas bowl. Winner is by default the best G5 and goes onto play in the NY6, or even better an 8 team playoff. Playoffs will be seeded after G5 bowl championship. Oh, and the best part, if a conference (The AAC) wants to opt out, then great. That leaves 4 G5 conferences for four slots. Better make sure that your best is good enough for an at large into the 8 team playoff though...
Part of eliminating the G5 CCGs would be to stop G5 expansion and maybe even incentivize contraction to 10. The G5 would be stabilized and the gap between G5 and FCS widened and stabilized. That would help the G5 stay more closely aligned with the P5.
What if as I've been suggesting 40 G5 teams form their own mega conference for purposes of having their own playoff?
They wouldn't be in the lowest tier of schools anymore if they can leave behind the 25 or so schools with the lowest football attendance.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - DavidSt - 01-11-2017 10:52 PM
But, there are schools that are always in discussion to break into the top 5 at the end of the year that could get talked about of the CFP championship. Boise State, Hawaii, Houston and UCF were the ones that were favored to break through more often. Houston, UCF and Boise State have won their games in the BCS and NY6 bowl games. I do not think the AAC and MWC wants to step down. Both conferences think of themselves up there as a Power Conference schools that are strong in football.
RE: The G5 Playoff (a detailed proposal) - toddjnsn - 01-12-2017 02:28 AM
You're not going to get rid of Conference Championships. So let's give up on that idea.
For a 4-team G5 Semi-Final, I would say a rule would be no more than 2 teams (half) from the same conference, and you must be at least a Divisional Champ, unless Top Ranked.
Incorporating both a G5 playoff + CFP & BCS Bowl inclusion is an interesting idea to theoretically toy with, though.
- Would have to not have the Army/Navy game for that one week, which is fine by most, as that's a newer concept anyway.
- Also, later adjustments to bowls would have to be done. That can be fine and Flexible -- but we'd need to Loosen Bowl Tie-in stringency to prevent shifting chaos.
Going by this past year's situation of post-conf-champ week:
Week #0 (Sun, Dec 4th):
- Preliminary Bowl Schedule Selected [Mostly in Concrete]
- G5 Potential for CFP Determined; If Possible - Preliminary Bowl Schedule becomes a little if/then Variable (it adds to watching the G5 playoffs)
- Access Bowl Slot situated for G5 Winner if CFP spot Not Possible - Preliminary Bowl Schedule more set in Stone
- Winners & Losers of all 4 slots have their bowl slots they'd fill for late December
Week #1 (Sat, Dec 10th):
- 4-team G5 Playoff Semi-Finals [(1) WMU vs (4) Navy | (2) Temple vs (3) San Diego State]
Week #1 (Sun, Dec 11th):
- G5 Potential for CFP Determined; If Possible - Still a little Variable but following 2 weeks in Concrete anyway
- If Not Possible -- Whole Bowl Schedule in Concrete except for winner/loser of champ game filling only variable bowl slots
Week #2 (Sat, Dec 17th):
- A couple initial bowls played to kick off bowls
- G5 Championship Finals (1) WMU vs (3) San Diego State
- Winner goes to Access Bowl, Loser goes to other bowl Post-Xmas
Difference? San Diego State wouldn't have been playing in that first week (and ensured that neither would Navy, Temple, or WMU). All 4 would be in slots Post-Christmas, depending on winners.
I think such a situation would bring more spotlight to the G5.