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Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-10-2017 11:54 PM
Makes a lot of sense: decent football, good hoops, new market, encroach on B1G. Only downside is it weakens a conference nobody cares about.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Kittonhead - 01-11-2017 12:11 AM
Maybe.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - domer1978 - 01-11-2017 12:32 AM
Never heard of that idea, brilliant. Sure if you send a tweet or email to the ACC home office you will blow there minds with this idea.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-11-2017 12:36 AM
<ChandlerBing> Could you BE any more patronizing? <Chandler Bing>
RE: Cincy to the ACC - CarlSmithCenter - 01-11-2017 12:46 AM
If the Big 12 implodes at the end of the GOR I still don't think ND will necessarily be forced to join the ACC for football which is the only scenario where the league would need to backfill with a 16th team. Assuming the ACC did need a 16th football member I still think Texas would be the first target (long shot). When that doesn't work WVU, UConn and a hybrid of Navy football and Georgetown hoops et al. would still be way ahead of Cincy precisely because there is no benefit that UC could deliver (no way ESPN will be able to foist an ACC network on all OH consumers in 7-8 years given their declining power) that would outweigh the prejudice to teams in the league that can out recruit the Bearcats in Ohio now. ND may be different, but Pitt, VT, Louisville and Virginia will not outrecruit Ohio State in Ohio but once in a blue moon; however, they should regularly do so against a G5 school like Cincy, particularly after we have 7-8 more years of ramped up inequality in media rights revenue which will further allow the P5 to outspend the G5 on facilities. As the Big 12 decided with Houston this fall, the default position is that there is no reason to legitimize a potential regional recruiting adversary by bringing them out of the G5 wilderness and into your league.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-11-2017 12:50 AM
Great analysis Carl!! I prefer WVU anyway.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - p23570 - 01-11-2017 12:53 AM
Great post. LOL. Sometimes it's best to just keep you ideas to yourself instead of starting a thread with 1 line.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-11-2017 01:01 AM
(01-11-2017 12:53 AM)p23570 Wrote: Great post. LOL. Sometimes it's best to just keep you ideas to yourself instead of starting a thread with 1 line.
1 line?! What OP did you read?
RE: Cincy to the ACC - panite - 01-11-2017 02:01 AM
(01-11-2017 12:46 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: If the Big 12 implodes at the end of the GOR I still don't think ND will necessarily be forced to join the ACC for football which is the only scenario where the league would need to backfill with a 16th team. Assuming the ACC did need a 16th football member I still think Texas would be the first target (long shot). When that doesn't work WVU, UConn and a hybrid of Navy football and Georgetown hoops et al. would still be way ahead of Cincy precisely because there is no benefit that UC could deliver (no way ESPN will be able to foist an ACC network on all OH consumers in 7-8 years given their declining power) that would outweigh the prejudice to teams in the league that can out recruit the Bearcats in Ohio now. ND may be different, but Pitt, VT, Louisville and Virginia will not outrecruit Ohio State in Ohio but once in a blue moon; however, they should regularly do so against a G5 school like Cincy, particularly after we have 7-8 more years of ramped up inequality in media rights revenue which will further allow the P5 to outspend the G5 on facilities. As the Big 12 decided with Houston this fall, the default position is that there is no reason to legitimize a potential regional recruiting adversary by bringing them out of the G5 wilderness and into your league.
Taking the Navy / Georgetown hybrid would really screw Villanova and the Big East. Doubt this happens though.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - BruceMcF - 01-11-2017 02:57 AM
(01-11-2017 01:01 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:I can make it 1 line if I hit Ctrl - enough times. Maybe he has a big monitor.(01-11-2017 12:53 AM)p23570 Wrote: Great post. LOL. Sometimes it's best to just keep you ideas to yourself instead of starting a thread with 1 line.
1 line?! What OP did you read?
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-11-2017 03:15 AM
(01-11-2017 02:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:(01-11-2017 01:01 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:I can make it 1 line if I hit Ctrl - enough times. Maybe he has a big monitor.(01-11-2017 12:53 AM)p23570 Wrote: Great post. LOL. Sometimes it's best to just keep you ideas to yourself instead of starting a thread with 1 line.
1 line?! What OP did you read?
Then why not criticize KittenHead's. 1 WORD response?!
RE: Cincy to the ACC - BruceMcF - 01-11-2017 05:30 AM
(01-11-2017 03:15 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:I'm only guessing here, but perhaps a one word reply doesn't seem all that out of place in response to a one liner Opening Post.(01-11-2017 02:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:(01-11-2017 01:01 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:I can make it 1 line if I hit Ctrl - enough times. Maybe he has a big monitor.(01-11-2017 12:53 AM)p23570 Wrote: Great post. LOL. Sometimes it's best to just keep you ideas to yourself instead of starting a thread with 1 line.
1 line?! What OP did you read?
Then why not criticize KittenHead's. 1 WORD response?!
I'm not sure it's such a terrible thing ... some people cram not much more content into many paragraphs of text. At least a one liner doesn't take very much time to find out that there's not any substantial argument being presented.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Wolfman - 01-11-2017 08:45 AM
Cincy was cut from the short list when none of the ACC presidents got Christmas cards from them this year.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - XLance - 01-11-2017 09:01 AM
(01-10-2017 11:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Makes a lot of sense: decent football, good hoops, new market, encroach on B1G. Only downside is it weakens a confidence nobody cares about.
Cincinnati could be invited to the ACC, UConn wouldn't.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - CliftonAve - 01-11-2017 09:17 AM
I can't tell for sure if the OP is trolling the ACC, UC or maybe even both here.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Kaplony - 01-11-2017 09:31 AM
(01-11-2017 09:01 AM)XLance Wrote:(01-10-2017 11:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Makes a lot of sense: decent football, good hoops, new market, encroach on B1G. Only downside is it weakens a confidence nobody cares about.
Cincinnati could be invited to the ACC, UConn wouldn't.
Cincy is probably the only non-P5 school that could get enough votes between the two factions in the ACC to gain membership.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Wolfman - 01-11-2017 12:01 PM
(01-11-2017 12:46 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: If the Big 12 implodes at the end of the GOR I still don't think ND will necessarily be forced to join the ACC for football which is the only scenario where the league would need to backfill with a 16th team. Assuming the ACC did need a 16th football member I still think Texas would be the first target (long shot). When that doesn't work WVU, UConn and a hybrid of Navy football and Georgetown hoops et al. would still be way ahead of Cincy precisely because there is no benefit that UC could deliver (no way ESPN will be able to foist an ACC network on all OH consumers in 7-8 years given their declining power) that would outweigh the prejudice to teams in the league that can out recruit the Bearcats in Ohio now. ND may be different, but Pitt, VT, Louisville and Virginia will not outrecruit Ohio State in Ohio but once in a blue moon; however, they should regularly do so against a G5 school like Cincy, particularly after we have 7-8 more years of ramped up inequality in media rights revenue which will further allow the P5 to outspend the G5 on facilities. As the Big 12 decided with Houston this fall, the default position is that there is no reason to legitimize a potential regional recruiting adversary by bringing them out of the G5 wilderness and into your league.
You are correct on ND. Texas may be a long shot but it was Texas that initiated contact with the ACC back in 2010(?).
The ACCN is going to use BOTH Cable and digital delivery. Conference networks are not subscription based. If you are a cable customer in a state and they carry the conference network, you are paying the conference a small fee (say $0.25/month). If the conference has a school in that state the number jumps significantly (say $1.50).
WVU - some of the older members don't like them and the new members aren't supporting them. Using the numbers above, WV could add $3 million/year to the ACCN
Uconn - most of the older members don't like them and the new members aren't supporting them. Using the numbers above, Uconn could add $6 million/year to the ACCN
Navy/Georgetown - I like this because it is a poke at Maryland. It's still a hybrid and I would say no. Using the numbers above, Navy/GT could add $12 million/year to the ACCN
Cincinnati - It's not about delivering Ohio or Ohio residents subscribing to the ACCN. Using the numbers above, Cincinnati could add $21 million/year to the ACCN. As long as Cincinnati doesn't move out of Ohio, they have value.
5 years ago, Pitt, ND and Syracuse each added $2 million/year/school to the broadcast contract. Add that to the ACCN number and Cincinnati could be worth $50+ million to the ACC.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Erictelevision - 01-11-2017 12:06 PM
Clifton: NOT trolling (sorry if it came off that way).
Kaplony: Are the factions "original" v. "Expansion"?
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Pervis_Griffith - 01-11-2017 12:32 PM
(01-11-2017 09:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-11-2017 09:01 AM)XLance Wrote:(01-10-2017 11:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Makes a lot of sense: decent football, good hoops, new market, encroach on B1G. Only downside is it weakens a confidence nobody cares about.
Cincinnati could be invited to the ACC, UConn wouldn't.
Cincy is probably the only non-P5 school that could get enough votes between the two factions in the ACC to gain membership.
Agree with you here. Cincy could do that.
RE: Cincy to the ACC - Pervis_Griffith - 01-11-2017 12:33 PM
(01-11-2017 12:06 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Clifton: NOT trolling (sorry if it came off that way).
Kaplony: Are the factions "original" v. "Expansion"?
I'm not Kaplony (obviously) but I think the factions he is referring to are "football centric" and "basketball centric".