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No divisions in Big 12 - Hokie4Skins - 10-28-2016 11:22 AM
1 vs. 2 in the championship game:
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=211258195
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - EvilVodka - 10-28-2016 11:24 AM
what's a Big Xii?
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - dbackjon - 10-28-2016 11:29 AM
So a rematch.
Stupid.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - RutgersGuy - 10-28-2016 11:33 AM
(10-28-2016 11:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote: So a rematch.
Stupid.
Was going to be a rematch anyway.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Atlanta - 10-28-2016 11:33 AM
Just another dumb move by the B12. B12 is on a roll with dumb moves but all consistent just to attempt to generate more revenue with no regard for competition or fan interest.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - ken d - 10-28-2016 11:33 AM
(10-28-2016 11:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote: So a rematch.
Stupid.
Even if they split into two divisions, they would still have had a guaranteed rematch.
So, smart.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - dbackjon - 10-28-2016 11:36 AM
(10-28-2016 11:33 AM)ken d Wrote:(10-28-2016 11:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote: So a rematch.
Stupid.
Even if they split into two divisions, they would still have had a guaranteed rematch.
So, smart.
Still stupid.
Big XII-II just needs to go away
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - stever20 - 10-28-2016 11:37 AM
of everything they've done- this is the least dumb thing. Think 2 years ago.. Ohio St would have had a lot tougher time being ahead of the winner of Baylor/TCU CCG.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Dasville - 10-28-2016 11:41 AM
Top two highest ranked teams in any conference should play in CCG. Deregulation is a good thing. B1G should have allowed this for any conference.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - stever20 - 10-28-2016 11:44 AM
(10-28-2016 11:41 AM)Dasville Wrote: Top two highest ranked teams in any conference should play in CCG. Deregulation is a good thing. B1G should have allowed this for any conference.
It shouldn't be the two highest ranked teams. It should be the 2 teams with the best record in conference play. End of the day, your record matters.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - RutgersGuy - 10-28-2016 11:47 AM
(10-28-2016 11:41 AM)Dasville Wrote: Top two highest ranked teams in any conference should play in CCG. Deregulation is a good thing. B1G should have allowed this for any conference.
Not really, with conferences bigger than 10 you need division winners. How do you know two teams in one division are the best if they don't play the top teams in the other division?
For example OSU could play Purdue, Illinois and NW and Michigan could play NW, Illinois and Minnesota. That doesn't mean Wisconsin isn't worthy of a CCG appearance.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Frog in the Kitchen Sink - 10-28-2016 12:18 PM
To clarify- isn't the two highest ranked teams, it is the teams with the 2 best conference records. Will be interesting to see what the tie-breaker is. It won't be unusual to have 3 8-1 teams, or an 9-0 and two 7-2 teams. I would guess it would be similar to the tie-breakers they adopted to determine the champ.
I think its a good move. With a round robin, no reason to have divisions.
As far as a rematch, that happens 67% of the time on average in a 12 team league with 9 conference games. So it isn't that different.
I do think it's a tough road. You miss no one and play the best/ second best team twice. I wouldn't encourage Baylor like scheduling non-conference, but no reason to have more than 1 P5 team on the non-conference schedule.
Edit- I do think the one major downside is the potential for back to back rematches like would have happened last year. Divisions allows for preventing that.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Wilkie01 - 10-28-2016 12:41 PM
(10-28-2016 11:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote: what's a Big Xii?
10 Losers, who cannot count!
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Halfcourt - 10-28-2016 12:47 PM
That's pretty stupid. Par for the course for B12.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - ohio1317 - 10-28-2016 12:53 PM
Finally nice to see a conference doing it this way. Good decision imo.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - ohio1317 - 10-28-2016 12:55 PM
This is especially right decison for Big 12 in my view. 10 teams means a crossover every week, which means immediate repeat possible no matter what and this way at least top 2 (vs. Possibly #1 vs. 3/4, as we get in other conferences and would be a bigger deal here given a round robin schedule.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - Wilkie01 - 10-28-2016 12:58 PM
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RE: No divisions in Big 12 - YNot - 10-28-2016 12:59 PM
(10-28-2016 12:18 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: To clarify- isn't the two highest ranked teams, it is the teams with the 2 best conference records. Will be interesting to see what the tie-breaker is. It won't be unusual to have 3 8-1 teams, or an 9-0 and two 7-2 teams. I would guess it would be similar to the tie-breakers they adopted to determine the champ.
I think its a good move. With a round robin, no reason to have divisions.
As far as a rematch, that happens 67% of the time on average in a 12 team league with 9 conference games. So it isn't that different.
I do think it's a tough road. You miss no one and play the best/ second best team twice. I wouldn't encourage Baylor like scheduling non-conference, but no reason to have more than 1 P5 team on the non-conference schedule.
Edit- I do think the one major downside is the potential for back to back rematches like would have happened last year. Divisions allows for preventing that.
I think you will have too-soon rematches more often than not - meaning that the CCG participants would have played within the last 2 or 3 weeks of the regular season. The division alignment would have helped prevent that, but at the cost of the CCG having the potential to be #1 versus #3 or even #4.
So, it's probably a decent compromise.
With the new B12 CCG, I think we see the Big 12 get fewer teams into the NY6. If the Big 12 champ doesn't make the CFP, then the CCG loser will be extremely susceptible to being knocked out of the rankings enough to miss the NY6 rankings cut-off. The Big 12 won't have any divisional runner-up (like Louisville or Texas A&M or Ohio St.) that still has a shiny win-loss record (because they didn't play in the CCG).
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - CyclonePower - 10-28-2016 01:00 PM
(10-28-2016 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:(10-28-2016 11:24 AM)EvilVodka Wrote: what's a Big Xii?
10 Losers, who cannot count!
Um what does that make the big 10?
How come Utah and CU are in the south division of the PAC 12 when they are more north than Stanford and Cal?
No conference is perfect with numbers or geography.
RE: No divisions in Big 12 - stever20 - 10-28-2016 01:00 PM
I wonder if the other p5 conferences are surprised by what's happened in the Big 12. I can't imagine they're happy that they're going to be getting 50 million from the CFP and only having to split 10 ways, while other conferences 50 million is split 14 ways.