(07-11-2016 05:22 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  It seems to me that the whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" theory might be a myth. How many good guys with a gun were in the courtroom? And they were well trained good guys, not poorly trained like most civilians.

(07-11-2016 06:05 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 05:22 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  It seems to me that the whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" theory might be a myth. How many good guys with a gun were in the courtroom? And they were well trained good guys, not poorly trained like most civilians.

Statistically, I wonder if families with guns in the house are safer than those without guns.

(07-11-2016 06:05 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 05:22 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  It seems to me that the whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" theory might be a myth. How many good guys with a gun were in the courtroom? And they were well trained good guys, not poorly trained like most civilians.

Statistically, I wonder if families with guns in the house are safer than those without guns.

Quote:Why are there not protest marches & meetings with OVER 2100 shot in Chicago alone so far this year.

(07-11-2016 05:40 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  He said (I'm paraphrasing) that when he became a judge the convicted were frequently immoral but often expressed remorse for their actions.

As he was leaving the judiciary he said most were amoral - didn't know the difference between right or wrong or didn't care.

That was 20 years ago.

(07-11-2016 08:23 PM)okgc Wrote:  Yes sorry, I am sure many of the local population cares, but where is the national media coverage and national attention?

Quote: NYPOST.com October 17, 2015

The NYPD will soon allow cops to handcuff criminal suspects with their hands in front instead of behind their backs as part of the use-of-force overhaul — a change one police source called “total lunacy.”

“They want to say they’re a kinder, gentler police force by coming up with a new policy on front-cuffing. But it invites danger,” the source said.

NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis told The Post that the change — which will go into effect Jan. 1 — was part of the revision of the Patrol Guide regarding use of force.

(07-13-2016 08:33 AM)okgc Wrote:  Appears Berrien County should not have listened to New York's "kinder, gentler police" ideas.

Quote: NYPOST.com October 17, 2015

The NYPD will soon allow cops to handcuff criminal suspects with their hands in front instead of behind their backs as part of the use-of-force overhaul — a change one police source called “total lunacy.”

“They want to say they’re a kinder, gentler police force by coming up with a new policy on front-cuffing. But it invites danger,” the source said.

NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis told The Post that the change — which will go into effect Jan. 1 — was part of the revision of the Patrol Guide regarding use of force.

Sorry to hear stories like this.

(07-13-2016 08:19 AM)brovol Wrote:  As stated earlier, the gun used in this courthouse shooting was one taken by a criminal defendant from a police officer who was escorting the defendant to the jail. Unless someone is advocating that the police shouldn't carry guns either, this is not a poster-child case for "gun control". And if there were non law enforcement people in the area who were carrying guns, and who had the opportunity and brass to shoot the assailant before he shot any of the people he shot, perhaps one or more of the victims lives would have been saved. The reality is though that courthouses prohibit the public from carrying pistols. Most, including mine, allow judges to carry pistols. Unfortunately, in my county, and other poor rural counties, there is almost no security at all.

I know many of the judges in Berrien county, and feel for everyone there: particularly the families of the victims. But, while the media and others will frame this as a "gun" issue, the real problem is that we have created a society loaded with policies that enable derelicts, delinquents, criminals, and particularly the irresponsible to do what they do, then pass on the same traits from one generation to the next. And instead of condemning those people, we throw government money at them, paid for from those who are trying hard to do the right things. This is the product of our new socially correct America.

(07-13-2016 10:05 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:19 AM)brovol Wrote:  As stated earlier, the gun used in this courthouse shooting was one taken by a criminal defendant from a police officer who was escorting the defendant to the jail. Unless someone is advocating that the police shouldn't carry guns either, this is not a poster-child case for "gun control". And if there were non law enforcement people in the area who were carrying guns, and who had the opportunity and brass to shoot the assailant before he shot any of the people he shot, perhaps one or more of the victims lives would have been saved. The reality is though that courthouses prohibit the public from carrying pistols. Most, including mine, allow judges to carry pistols. Unfortunately, in my county, and other poor rural counties, there is almost no security at all.

I know many of the judges in Berrien county, and feel for everyone there: particularly the families of the victims. But, while the media and others will frame this as a "gun" issue, the real problem is that we have created a society loaded with policies that enable derelicts, delinquents, criminals, and particularly the irresponsible to do what they do, then pass on the same traits from one generation to the next. And instead of condemning those people, we throw government money at them, paid for from those who are trying hard to do the right things. This is the product of our new socially correct America.

I don't think anyone is trying to spin this incident as a "gun control" issue, but thank you for reminding everyone of your willingness to descend into the toxic sewer of partisan hackiness when it suits your political agenda.

(07-13-2016 11:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 10:05 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:19 AM)brovol Wrote:  As stated earlier, the gun used in this courthouse shooting was one taken by a criminal defendant from a police officer who was escorting the defendant to the jail. Unless someone is advocating that the police shouldn't carry guns either, this is not a poster-child case for "gun control". And if there were non law enforcement people in the area who were carrying guns, and who had the opportunity and brass to shoot the assailant before he shot any of the people he shot, perhaps one or more of the victims lives would have been saved. The reality is though that courthouses prohibit the public from carrying pistols. Most, including mine, allow judges to carry pistols. Unfortunately, in my county, and other poor rural counties, there is almost no security at all.

I know many of the judges in Berrien county, and feel for everyone there: particularly the families of the victims. But, while the media and others will frame this as a "gun" issue, the real problem is that we have created a society loaded with policies that enable derelicts, delinquents, criminals, and particularly the irresponsible to do what they do, then pass on the same traits from one generation to the next. And instead of condemning those people, we throw government money at them, paid for from those who are trying hard to do the right things. This is the product of our new socially correct America.

I don't think anyone is trying to spin this incident as a "gun control" issue, but thank you for reminding everyone of your willingness to descend into the toxic sewer of partisan hackiness when it suits your political agenda.

LOL. Charm is always the predictable pot calling the kettle black. I was waiting for your call. Its a good thing you always come to the table with "clean hands", never having stooped so low as to manifest your sickle and hammer, socialistic propaganda during discussions on virtually any subject. Perhaps I am more conspicuous, as I lack the same thoughtful way of expressing myself that you have Charm. HAHAHAHAHA. God bless your soul Charm. HAHAHAHAHA.

(07-15-2016 01:14 PM)DiaperHead69 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 11:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 10:05 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:19 AM)brovol Wrote:  As stated earlier, the gun used in this courthouse shooting was one taken by a criminal defendant from a police officer who was escorting the defendant to the jail. Unless someone is advocating that the police shouldn't carry guns either, this is not a poster-child case for "gun control". And if there were non law enforcement people in the area who were carrying guns, and who had the opportunity and brass to shoot the assailant before he shot any of the people he shot, perhaps one or more of the victims lives would have been saved. The reality is though that courthouses prohibit the public from carrying pistols. Most, including mine, allow judges to carry pistols. Unfortunately, in my county, and other poor rural counties, there is almost no security at all.

I know many of the judges in Berrien county, and feel for everyone there: particularly the families of the victims. But, while the media and others will frame this as a "gun" issue, the real problem is that we have created a society loaded with policies that enable derelicts, delinquents, criminals, and particularly the irresponsible to do what they do, then pass on the same traits from one generation to the next. And instead of condemning those people, we throw government money at them, paid for from those who are trying hard to do the right things. This is the product of our new socially correct America.

I don't think anyone is trying to spin this incident as a "gun control" issue, but thank you for reminding everyone of your willingness to descend into the toxic sewer of partisan hackiness when it suits your political agenda.

LOL. Charm is always the predictable pot calling the kettle black. I was waiting for your call. Its a good thing you always come to the table with "clean hands", never having stooped so low as to manifest your sickle and hammer, socialistic propaganda during discussions on virtually any subject. Perhaps I am more conspicuous, as I lack the same thoughtful way of expressing myself that you have Charm. HAHAHAHAHA. God bless your soul Charm. HAHAHAHAHA.

Holy chit, you're a complete jackasss. Judge bum.