(03-22-2018 08:49 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  “St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.”

(03-23-2018 05:39 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:49 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  “St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.”

Ole Miss instead of MTSU. It's already happening. What a shame

(03-23-2018 08:06 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 05:39 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:49 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  “St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.”

Ole Miss instead of MTSU. It's already happening. What a shame

Has Middle even named their coach yet?


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(03-23-2018 12:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What Godwin and Hueitt can do is not likely something that any of us can factually say at this point based upon the very limited amount of time they have been shown to us. One thing we do know is that both were recruited primarily due to their 3 point shooting prowess, and Dantoni loves those kind of players.

COntrary to popular belief, but I would guess those 2 werent tearing it up in practice, earning playing time.

Couldn't you realistically have just said that you guess they weren't doing as well at practice in the man-to-man defense as Jeff requires? Seems that Jeff's track record of playing non-offensive players Taylor and Baker for the past 3-4 years would tend to be significant evidence of where his priorities lie. He has to find some balance or ODU might end up finding itself in an important game where they fail to even score 50 points. Oh wait ... that just happened.

I remember reading in the Pilot how Godwin was draining 3 pointers from the corner in practice while playing on the scout team against the starters. Again, it would appear that end of the court carries far less weight in practice with Jeff. He probably just got upset with one of his starters at that practice (probably Randy) for letting Godwin score.

You seem to think its scheme related, I do not. I also do not believe they were killing it on the offensive end and just couldnt get in the game. Those 2 freshman will be fine, but that doesn mean they are hotshots from the start.

If anyone believed the freshman would have come in and lot it up offensively, they would have played.

That's your opinion. Jeff's history at ODU tells a different story -

Name a strong defensive player at ODU that Jeff has ever played sparingly, or even as a reserve, while he instead played a much better offensive player at that position?

Also, there is a big gap between "lighting it up" and simply providing offense when it is much needed - as in 49 points. Why is it so often a choice between one extreme or another with you? The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle.

No one has said that they (Godwin or Hueitt) are hotshots (whatever that is supposed to mean).

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  COntrary to popular belief, but I would guess those 2 werent tearing it up in practice, earning playing time.

Couldn't you realistically have just said that you guess they weren't doing as well at practice in the man-to-man defense as Jeff requires? Seems that Jeff's track record of playing non-offensive players Taylor and Baker for the past 3-4 years would tend to be significant evidence of where his priorities lie. He has to find some balance or ODU might end up finding itself in an important game where they fail to even score 50 points. Oh wait ... that just happened.

I remember reading in the Pilot how Godwin was draining 3 pointers from the corner in practice while playing on the scout team against the starters. Again, it would appear that end of the court carries far less weight in practice with Jeff. He probably just got upset with one of his starters at that practice (probably Randy) for letting Godwin score.

You seem to think its scheme related, I do not. I also do not believe they were killing it on the offensive end and just couldnt get in the game. Those 2 freshman will be fine, but that doesn mean they are hotshots from the start.

If anyone believed the freshman would have come in and lot it up offensively, they would have played.

That's your opinion. Jeff's history at ODU tells a different story -

Name a strong defensive player at ODU that Jeff has ever played sparingly, or even as a reserve, while he instead played a much better offensive player at that position?

Also, there is a big gap between "lighting it up" and simply providing offense when it is much needed - as in 49 points. Why is it so often a choice between one extreme or another with you? The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle.

No one has said that they (Godwin or Hueitt) are hotshots (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Couldn't you realistically have just said that you guess they weren't doing as well at practice in the man-to-man defense as Jeff requires? Seems that Jeff's track record of playing non-offensive players Taylor and Baker for the past 3-4 years would tend to be significant evidence of where his priorities lie. He has to find some balance or ODU might end up finding itself in an important game where they fail to even score 50 points. Oh wait ... that just happened.

I remember reading in the Pilot how Godwin was draining 3 pointers from the corner in practice while playing on the scout team against the starters. Again, it would appear that end of the court carries far less weight in practice with Jeff. He probably just got upset with one of his starters at that practice (probably Randy) for letting Godwin score.

You seem to think its scheme related, I do not. I also do not believe they were killing it on the offensive end and just couldnt get in the game. Those 2 freshman will be fine, but that doesn mean they are hotshots from the start.

If anyone believed the freshman would have come in and lot it up offensively, they would have played.

That's your opinion. Jeff's history at ODU tells a different story -

Name a strong defensive player at ODU that Jeff has ever played sparingly, or even as a reserve, while he instead played a much better offensive player at that position?

Also, there is a big gap between "lighting it up" and simply providing offense when it is much needed - as in 49 points. Why is it so often a choice between one extreme or another with you? The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle.

No one has said that they (Godwin or Hueitt) are hotshots (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

(03-23-2018 08:20 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  There is a big difference between Godwin and Hueitt. Godwin comes ready to practice. Hueitt is the last to arrive and the first to leave. He just doesn't get it. Until he does he is not going to play. Godwin is.

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You seem to think its scheme related, I do not. I also do not believe they were killing it on the offensive end and just couldnt get in the game. Those 2 freshman will be fine, but that doesn mean they are hotshots from the start.

If anyone believed the freshman would have come in and lot it up offensively, they would have played.

That's your opinion. Jeff's history at ODU tells a different story -

Name a strong defensive player at ODU that Jeff has ever played sparingly, or even as a reserve, while he instead played a much better offensive player at that position?

Also, there is a big gap between "lighting it up" and simply providing offense when it is much needed - as in 49 points. Why is it so often a choice between one extreme or another with you? The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle.

No one has said that they (Godwin or Hueitt) are hotshots (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

(03-23-2018 09:58 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Yeah, that response didn't even come close to replying to the question Giles. You didn't have the name of a much stronger defensive player that got left behind on the bench to play a stronger offensive player in his place. I'm not sure there are any such people because Jeff is a defense first coach. That's who he is. There is a reason that Baker and Taylor started and played so many minutes for Jeff while scoring so little.

I can actually think of a player that would be a good fit for the answer to the question, but it didn't happen under Jeff. It was under coach Capel. I don't remember the name of the kid, but he was a small point guard that Capel once described as being like an ant at a picnic. He came off the bench and was very good at getting steals and disrupting the other point guard.

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  That's your opinion. Jeff's history at ODU tells a different story -

Name a strong defensive player at ODU that Jeff has ever played sparingly, or even as a reserve, while he instead played a much better offensive player at that position?

Also, there is a big gap between "lighting it up" and simply providing offense when it is much needed - as in 49 points. Why is it so often a choice between one extreme or another with you? The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle.

No one has said that they (Godwin or Hueitt) are hotshots (whatever that is supposed to mean).

Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

(03-23-2018 10:34 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

The numbers are there.

(03-23-2018 10:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:34 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

The numbers are there.

Mauras had a higher offensive rating as well...208 in 3 minutes. Kah played 32 and Vassor played 70.

O-Rating is a decent number but it also takes into account team specific statistics like offensive rebounding.

I already posted the points per 100 possessions. Talley was also 3rd behind Porter/Stith in PER. There are plenty of numbers that would show Talley is a better offensive player than Taylor and Baker. Last year he was our first option on offense. Other than Caver, he was our best perimeter offensive player.

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Not totally apples to apples, but Aarong Bacote was not a good defensive player. Trey Freeman was not a good defensive player. Zoran Talley was not a good defensive player. They all played because they were good offensive players.

The reason Goodwin/Hueitt didn't play is there were not as good as the top 3 guys; Stith, Haynes, Green. Its pretty simple.

Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

(03-23-2018 10:10 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:58 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Yeah, that response didn't even come close to replying to the question Giles. You didn't have the name of a much stronger defensive player that got left behind on the bench to play a stronger offensive player in his place. I'm not sure there are any such people because Jeff is a defense first coach. That's who he is. There is a reason that Baker and Taylor started and played so many minutes for Jeff while scoring so little.

I can actually think of a player that would be a good fit for the answer to the question, but it didn't happen under Jeff. It was under coach Capel. I don't remember the name of the kid, but he was a small point guard that Capel once described as being like an ant at a picnic. He came off the bench and was very good at getting steals and disrupting the other point guard.

Are you referring to Duffey Samuels? He was a good player.

(03-23-2018 10:46 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:34 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

The numbers are there.

Mauras had a higher offensive rating as well...208 in 3 minutes. Kah played 32 and Vassor played 70.

O-Rating is a decent number but it also takes into account team specific statistics like offensive rebounding.

I already posted the points per 100 possessions. Talley was also 3rd behind Porter/Stith in PER. There are plenty of numbers that would show Talley is a better offensive player than Taylor and Baker. Last year he was our first option on offense. Other than Caver, he was our best perimeter offensive player.

I'm sorry but who cares?

(03-23-2018 10:49 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 09:51 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Zoran Talley played because he was a good offensive player?????

He averaged 22 points per 100 possession as a freshman and 31 points per 100 as a sophmore. Was pretty efficeint. Solid offensive rebounding numbers. Low turnovers. Decent amount of assists. How was he not a good offensive player? Is he because you have to shoot 3s to be a good offensive player? He was also our focus on offense last year.

This year...Caver, Porter, Brandan, BJ, Haynes, X, Carver, Godwin, Hueitt, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran did last year.

Last year....BJ, Porter, Caver, Brandan, Baker, Taylor, Kah, and Vassor all had a better offensive rating than Zoran.

Edit: Also, Zoran was a very good defender. Bacote and Freeman were not at all.

Having a much better offensive team surrounding you helps your offensive rating. Last year we had very little offensively outside of Talley.

Glad Vassor had a good offensive rating in the 40 minutes he played.

All those dudes that actually play significant minutes were on the team last year except X, who replaced Talley. The team wasn't different, other than getting lane clogging Talley out of there, just who JJ chose to play.