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EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - SuperFlyBCat - 05-19-2016 05:55 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/middleeast/egyptair-flight-disappears/
(CNN)EgyptAir Flight 804 vanished from radar on its way from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard, the airline said Thursday.
The plane was flying at 37,000 feet when it lost contact overnight above the Mediterranean Sea, the airline tweeted.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - CardFan1 - 05-19-2016 06:18 AM
Not looking good for Those folks. That altitude ,,,,,,,,,Makes You wonder WTF happened.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - SuperFlyBCat - 05-19-2016 06:28 AM
The EgyptAir flight “swerved and then plunged” before its descent into the Mediterranean, the Greek Defense Minister said during a news conference.
"At 3:37am local time, immediately after the aircraft entered Cairo airspace at 37,000 feet, the aircraft swerved 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right and descended from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet and then 10,000 feet, when we lost the signal," Panos Kammenos told reporters in Athens.
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RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - CardFan1 - 05-19-2016 06:32 AM
(05-19-2016 06:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: The EgyptAir flight “swerved and then plunged” before its descent into the Mediterranean, the Greek Defense Minister said during a news conference.
"At 3:37am local time, immediately after the aircraft entered Cairo airspace at 37,000 feet, the aircraft swerved 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right and descended from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet and then 10,000 feet, when we lost the signal," Panos Kammenos told reporters in Athens.
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Sounds like it was planned !
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - Fort Bend Owl - 05-19-2016 06:49 AM
That maneuver sounds more like it was avoiding a missile than a bomb? But maybe one of our aviation experts can chime in with a better theory than that.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - SuperFlyBCat - 05-19-2016 06:59 AM
(05-19-2016 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: That maneuver sounds more like it was avoiding a missile than a bomb? But maybe one of our aviation experts can chime in with a better theory than that.
or some sort of mechanical failure and they were trying to regain control of the plane.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - tigertom - 05-19-2016 07:07 AM
The monitoring black box (red really) should tell what happened.
I'm sure it's all over the news now.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - Fort Bend Owl - 05-19-2016 07:11 AM
(05-19-2016 06:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:(05-19-2016 06:49 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: That maneuver sounds more like it was avoiding a missile than a bomb? But maybe one of our aviation experts can chime in with a better theory than that.
or some sort of mechanical failure and they were trying to regain control of the plane.
The mechanical failure could easily result from an explosive device that was detonated. You'd think the Paris airport would have sophisticated enough x-ray units that they'd find a bomb, but it sounds like this airport made several stops in less secure, volatile places (like Tunisia) earlier in the week. It's possible a bomb was placed on the plane during that time?
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - 200yrs2late - 05-19-2016 07:31 AM
(05-19-2016 06:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: The EgyptAir flight “swerved and then plunged” before its descent into the Mediterranean, the Greek Defense Minister said during a news conference.
"At 3:37am local time, immediately after the aircraft entered Cairo airspace at 37,000 feet, the aircraft swerved 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right and descended from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet and then 10,000 feet, when we lost the signal," Panos Kammenos told reporters in Athens.
edition.cnn.com/2016/05/19/middleeast/egyptair-flight-804-liveblog/index.html?sr=twcnni051916egyptair-flight-804-liveblog1123AMVODtopLink&linkId=24663002
It makes sense to me the 90 degree left was probably the result of the initial event (mechanical failure, bomb, physical confrontation on the flight deck) and the 360 degree right is the attempt to gain control and bring the aircraft down to a safe (breathable atmosphere if there was a hull breech) altitude as it would indicate the pilot attempted to circle down in a controlled maneuver, especially if there was a pause between 15,000 and 10,000 feet as indicated.
It also indicated that the plane didn't explode or break up immediately, but made it down to at least 15,000 under some form of control. The damage sustained may have been too severe for the pilot to bring the aircraft all the way down to make an emergency landing since it disappeared from radar at 10,000 feet and they didn't provide details about the trajectory or rate of decent.
Certainly doesn't look good, but hopefully there are survivors.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - EverRespect - 05-19-2016 07:39 AM
Must have been a white Anglo-Saxon protestant.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - VA49er - 05-19-2016 07:41 AM
Hope they find the box. That's a deep sea.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - SuperFlyBCat - 05-19-2016 09:28 AM
3 Air Marshalls on board.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598117/EgyptAir-flight-MS804-Paris-Cairo-goes-missing.html
Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Fathi also said the possibility of a terror attack was a 'stronger' possibility than technical failure.
The head of Russia's top domestic security agency, Alexander Bortnikov, also claimed it was 'in all likelihood it was a terror attack'.
Meanwhile, Jean-Paul Troadec, the former chief of the BEA national investigation unit, said the lack of a live emergency alert meant it was almost certainly destroyed in a terror attack.
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RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - CardFan1 - 05-19-2016 09:44 AM
Obama will say "domestic violence"
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - 200yrs2late - 05-19-2016 09:51 AM
(05-19-2016 09:44 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: Obama will say "domestic violence"
I don't know what he will say exactly, but the words "Islamic Terrorsism" won't cross his lips. Hell I doubt he would even say "terrorism" after the investigation and someone claims responsibility.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - ummechengr - 05-19-2016 09:52 AM
Just to throw the questions out there:
Why would a terrorist target an aircraft that's less than half full? Sure, I realize there's no way to know how many people will be on any one flight....but red-eyes are generally pretty sparse.
9/11, I know they targeted aircraft that would have alot of fuel....NY-LA/DC-LA type flights....regardless of the number of people on board. This was also a pretty long flight (4 1/2 hrs), but one would expect the target to be a western landmark...not the bottom of the Mediterranean. Did it just take a few hours to get up the courage?
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - Lord Stanley - 05-19-2016 09:53 AM
(05-19-2016 07:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote: Must have been a white Anglo-Saxon protestant.
Yup, probably someone as white as this year’s Democratic presidential field.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - DFWMINER - 05-19-2016 09:54 AM
(05-19-2016 09:44 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: Obama will say "domestic violence"
Nope...global warming. I mean climate change.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - CardFan1 - 05-19-2016 09:57 AM
(05-19-2016 09:52 AM)ummechengr Wrote: Just to throw the questions out there:
Why would a terrorist target an aircraft that's less than half full? Sure, I realize there's no way to know how many people will be on any one flight....but red-eyes are generally pretty sparse.
9/11, I know they targeted aircraft that would have alot of fuel....NY-LA/DC-LA type flights....regardless of the number of people on board. This was also a pretty long flight (4 1/2 hrs), but one would expect the target to be a western landmark...not the bottom of the Mediterranean. Did it just take a few hours to get up the courage?
Islamic Suicide bombers will kill 1 person if it gets Them their 72 virgin boys ! Likely there were American and European tourists and businessmen passengers on board for the A$$ Hole Cowards to justify Murdering 66 Innocent people.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - Owl 69/70/75 - 05-19-2016 10:00 AM
(05-19-2016 09:52 AM)ummechengr Wrote: Just to throw the questions out there:
Why would a terrorist target an aircraft that's less than half full? Sure, I realize there's no way to know how many people will be on any one flight....but red-eyes are generally pretty sparse.
The fewer people onboard, the easier it is to take over the flight.
This was a factor on 9/11, as all of those flights were very lightly loaded. Surprisingly, that factor has drawn little comment as everyone had focused on the full of fuel point that you referenced. But from the first I learned of the hijackings, that was the thing that stood out for me.
RE: EgyptAir Flight 804 vanishes from radar - SuperFlyBCat - 05-19-2016 10:04 AM
(05-19-2016 09:52 AM)ummechengr Wrote: Just to throw the questions out there:
Why would a terrorist target an aircraft that's less than half full? Sure, I realize there's no way to know how many people will be on any one flight....but red-eyes are generally pretty sparse.
9/11, I know they targeted aircraft that would have alot of fuel....NY-LA/DC-LA type flights....regardless of the number of people on board. This was also a pretty long flight (4 1/2 hrs), but one would expect the target to be a western landmark...not the bottom of the Mediterranean. Did it just take a few hours to get up the courage?
ISIL and those that back them have been at war with Egypt for some time. Anything to hurt their transportation, tourism is a win for the terrorists. Various types of ground crews in any of the airports where that plane is could have slipped a bomb in the cargo or wheel well area. It is a hell of a lot harder to either place or recruit someone to stick a bomb in a plane in the USA. The middle east, much easier.
From May 8 and this stuff in ongoing.
ISIL claims killing of eight police officers in Egypt
Gunmen opened fire on police vehicle in Cairo suburb and fled, interior ministry says.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/isil-police-officers-killed-egypt-160508091738775.html