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OU & KU in B1G - Strut - 05-11-2016 12:58 PM
If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - TerpsNPhoenix - 05-11-2016 02:04 PM
I think there would still be some talk about Texas and Notre Dame. Maybe also some combo of UNC, UVA, Duke, GT but going to 18 or even 20 is going to make it hard to keep the money the same for existing members.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Nebraskafan - 05-11-2016 09:29 PM
(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
The OU + KU combo isn't even at the top of the list.
TX, ND to go along with UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech and FSU. That is the gold to 20.
FSU wants the B1G. Some people say that FSU reached out to the B1G with Georgia Tech, UVA and UNC as travel partners. If that went down, then it is all out to get ND and TX.
At the very least, if FSU is announced to be heading to the B1G, that is going to shake the entire landscape.
The B1G is going to attack like a cobra while the Big 12 people ***** and moan to the media.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Big Ron Buckeye - 05-11-2016 09:43 PM
(05-11-2016 02:04 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote: I think there would still be some talk about Texas and Notre Dame. Maybe also some combo of UNC, UVA, Duke, GT but going to 18 or even 20 is going to make it hard to keep the money the same for existing members.
I agree totally. Oklahoma and Kansas add great football and basketball pedigree but dont address the demographic elements that prompted us to start the expansion discussion in the first place. Though I dont know where to put a likelihood of the leaving their current setup. I too believe: Notre Dame, Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, & Florida have essentially a spot in the B1G whenever they widh to claim it.
Least likely IMO is Florida... why would they EVER leave the SEC. I mean we could pitch academics til the cows came home but I just dont see it happening, therefore I think either Miami or FSU would make a suitable replacement for UF. UF hits all of the checkmarks similar to Texas, but again why would they leave the SEC.
The strongest school to add IMO is Texas but they have the weakest conference in the B12 that may blow up at any time.
Notre Dame has the most flexibility but cherish independence and have no need to change anything unless the ACC falls apart.
The remaining schools UNC, UVA, & GT have the demographics we seek so will retain a standing offer from the B1G. Of those I think GT would be most interested but you need the former two to build a bridge so they dont feel like they are on an island.
To recap and re-answer your initial question. No I don't think we would stop with OU &KU. All of the preceding have IMO a standing offer with the Florida situation the most murky because of the most B1G like school being the most unlikely of all schools not to leave their present situation.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Big Ron Buckeye - 05-11-2016 10:06 PM
(05-11-2016 09:29 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
The OU + KU combo isn't even at the top of the list.
TX, ND to go along with UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech and FSU. That is the gold to 20.
FSU wants the B1G. Some people say that FSU reached out to the B1G with Georgia Tech, UVA and UNC as travel partners. If that went down, then it is all out to get ND and TX.
At the very least, if FSU is announced to be heading to the B1G, that is going to shake the entire landscape.
The B1G is going to attack like a cobra while the Big 12 people ***** and moan to the media.
Do you have any links to support the assertion the FSU wanted the B1G?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Nebraskafan - 05-11-2016 10:59 PM
(05-11-2016 10:06 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:(05-11-2016 09:29 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
The OU + KU combo isn't even at the top of the list.
TX, ND to go along with UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech and FSU. That is the gold to 20.
FSU wants the B1G. Some people say that FSU reached out to the B1G with Georgia Tech, UVA and UNC as travel partners. If that went down, then it is all out to get ND and TX.
At the very least, if FSU is announced to be heading to the B1G, that is going to shake the entire landscape.
The B1G is going to attack like a cobra while the Big 12 people ***** and moan to the media.
Do you have any links to support the assertion the FSU wanted the B1G?
*wants
Bluevodreal. He knows a former FSU president.
The goal with the last 6 spots is to max out the big eyes, major revenue, large footprint grab, and major brands.
FSU is the lynchpin in all of this.
The leadership at the B1G offices will take the eastern expansion over the other options. Better fits with academics and population.
Then it is all about getting Texas and ND to finally join.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Gern Blanston - 05-12-2016 08:17 AM
Oklahoma and Kansas make "geographical" and "competitive" sense....but the B1G will looking to make a "splash" when/if it expands, IMO. That's why Texas, UVA, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, and possibly Vanderbilt, all likely line up ahead of OU and KU.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - FriarTuck420 - 05-12-2016 10:19 AM
I'm not certain geography matters at this point. Multi market match ups could prove more valuable in the new media land scape then what was previously sought after.
The prior school of thought was quantity over quality.
A couple of really big deals are in play that need to be looked at to properly try and make any sense of the this round of realignment.
1) The PAC 12 is changing the course of the business model by making significant in roads in China. If viewers are the sought after gold mine, the Pac 12 is light years ahead of every other conference on this front. The digital distribution alone will overtake The SEC - ACC -and Big 12. Dont look now, but Texas is involved and this will give basketball schools a much better leverage over their football counter parts. China want basketball and baseball.
2) The FCC has just unlocked cable boxes, meaning you no longer need to rent the box your cable company wants you to use. The projected outcome is that internet will have the subscription base and cable will fade as is already happening, and this will cause a massive influx to set top streamers such as Google Chrome Cast - Roku - Apple TV ect... that will have al acart channels to pick from. Do you know anyone who dosnt have cable but has HBO Now - netflix - and Hulu? Currently constituted in order to watch streaming sports on these devices you need to have a cable subscription with a sports package (sports tax) included. That is going away.
The Pac -12 was sold a huge pile of crap a few years back and larry Scott is now fixing this. The argument was that content was king. The pac 12 went from showing 480 live events a year to 760. They where in 12 million house holds. The B1G on the other hand stayed it course showing about 475 events a year and getting into the right households (60 million of them) not just any house hold. The B1G made deals with the Big east and the ACC to make sure their programs are playing the biggest and the best from those conferences year in and year out, with out having to expand or realign. Make no mistake, that was a direct reaction to the data that showed quality was more in demand then the quantity. ESPN spoon fed sports fans what ever ESPN wanted. The model was flawed and digital ala cart distribution is the way all of the next round of deals are being negotiated.
In my modest opinion, the next round of realignment will be more to do with the out of countries digital contracts conferences (or even leagues ) can get in Japan - China - Iran - (yes, Iran. they want NCAA Wrestling, not kidding) and Russia
The B1G has positioned them self to be a one stop shop for China and Japan with the basketball/baseball market - Iran/Russia with the Wrestling - and Russia again with the newly formed Hockey. In non of these cases is football the world wide sought after product. Thats America. In America we want Michigan v Ohio or Texas or USC or Florida or Alabama ect.
The product has to evolve. That likely means contraction of top teams into a whole new league - and then expansion as allows. I see a football only "NCAA".
RE: OU & KU in B1G - ohio1317 - 05-12-2016 01:29 PM
You can't kill expansion talk. Going to 12 didn't stop it. I doubt 16 would either. At some number though, you'd probably also start hearing contraction/split talk.
Re: RE: OU & KU in B1G - TerpsNPhoenix - 05-12-2016 01:55 PM
(05-12-2016 01:29 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: You can't kill expansion talk. Going to 12 didn't stop it. I doubt 16 would either. At some number though, you'd probably also start hearing contraction/split talk.
You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it! So therefore, eventually the NCAA will be 1 big conference!
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Big Ron Buckeye - 05-12-2016 02:12 PM
(05-12-2016 01:29 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: You can't kill expansion talk. Going to 12 didn't stop it. I doubt 16 would either. At some number though, you'd probably also start hearing contraction/split talk.
GREAT IDEA!!! Expand to 22. Then show Purdue and Northwestern the door for over a century of ineptitude.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - NJ2MDTerp - 05-13-2016 05:17 PM
(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?Both OU and KU would be prefect additions in the west. I'd also like to see eastern expansion though. Assuming BIG is locked out of the ACC, my preferred candidates are UConn and Temple. But I'm willing to wait 10 years for both schools to build a winning football program and fan base, strengthen academics, and build endowment.
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - GE and MTS - 05-13-2016 05:46 PM
I think the best two additions the Big Ten could make right now is Texas and Notre Dame followed by Texas and Oklahoma. I don't think the Big Ten can give Texas what they want, which would be basically 75% of their games played in Texas. Right now, Texas plays at half of West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State out of Texas so either two or three games outside of Texas. Throw in an away big time P5 school in years in which they have two away conference games outside of Texas and you get a total of three games outside of Texas for UT. At 16 schools, the Big Ten can give Texas four home games plus the Red River Rivalry (or a school in Texas). Texas would have to schedule all their non-conference games at home or neutral site which would hurt their perception both with the playoff committee and in general. Plus what other Texas schools are there that are attractive to the Big Ten? Texas A&M, maybe Rice? Maybe Houston?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - Big Ron Buckeye - 05-14-2016 12:41 PM
(05-13-2016 05:17 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?Both OU and KU would be prefect additions in the west. I'd also like to see eastern expansion though. Assuming BIG is locked out of the ACC, my preferred candidates are UConn and Temple. But I'm willing to wait 10 years for both schools to build a winning football program and fan base, strengthen academics, and build endowment.
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
UConn, Im with you. Temple. Never Gonna happen. We have Penn St, Rutgers, & Maryland. Why pray tell do we need Temple. Slots are Valuable. I think that apart from UConn and Notre Dame... all candidates are to the south.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - JHG722 - 05-14-2016 01:58 PM
(05-14-2016 12:41 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:(05-13-2016 05:17 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:(05-11-2016 12:58 PM)Strut Wrote: If OU and KU were added to B1G would we be done with expansion and any talk about it for B1G?Both OU and KU would be prefect additions in the west. I'd also like to see eastern expansion though. Assuming BIG is locked out of the ACC, my preferred candidates are UConn and Temple. But I'm willing to wait 10 years for both schools to build a winning football program and fan base, strengthen academics, and build endowment.
Would all the who's going where now be left to other conferences and B1G get to focus on stuff like before expansion talk?
UConn, Im with you. Temple. Never Gonna happen. We have Penn St, Rutgers, & Maryland. Why pray tell do we need Temple. Slots are Valuable. I think that apart from UConn and Notre Dame... all candidates are to the south.
TV market, visibility in one of the largest cities in the country, and we were able to do more with Anthony Lee than Ohio State was.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - GE and MTS - 05-14-2016 02:28 PM
Temple doesn't provide anything that Penn State or even Rutgers doesn't.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - JHG722 - 05-14-2016 04:24 PM
Covering up rape for decades and being an embarrassing athletic department?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - GE and MTS - 05-14-2016 06:10 PM
(05-14-2016 04:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote: being an embarrassing athletic department?
Temple was kicked out of the Big East right?
RE: OU & KU in B1G - NJ2MDTerp - 05-14-2016 06:26 PM
Temple is carving out its own space in what has traditionally been known as Penn State and Rutgers territory. Just drive along North Broad Street and you'll notice substantive, positive change in the growth and expansion of Temple. It no longer is a commuter school. The students that live in North Philadelphia are fueling gentrification of the neighborhood, turning it into a college town but with urban feel and modern look.
The school president, a BIG man, realizes the importance of athletics to the overall image and financial health of a school, is moving forward with plans of building an on-campus, expandable football stadium. The football HC appears to enjoy working and living in the Philadelphia area. The basketball arena is new, although I think the school would be better off with a younger men's basketball HC. Baseball, lacrosse, and ice hockey are club sports. With additional revenue, there's no reason these sports could become competitive, scholarship-based sports.
RE: OU & KU in B1G - GE and MTS - 05-14-2016 07:22 PM
(05-14-2016 06:26 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: Temple is carving out its own space in what has traditionally been known as Penn State and Rutgers territory. Just drive along North Broad Street and you'll notice substantive, positive change in the growth and expansion of Temple. It no longer is a commuter school. The students that live in North Philadelphia are fueling gentrification of the neighborhood, turning it into a college town but with urban feel and modern look.
The school president, a BIG man, realizes the importance of athletics to the overall image and financial health of a school, is moving forward with plans of building an on-campus, expandable football stadium. The football HC appears to enjoy working and living in the Philadelphia area. The basketball arena is new, although I think the school would be better off with a younger men's basketball HC. Baseball, lacrosse, and ice hockey are club sports. With additional revenue, there's no reason these sports could become competitive, scholarship-based sports.
I don't doubt Temple's improvement and potential impact on a conference. I just think the Big Ten is the absolute worst match for the time being. How much more market share will Temple bring to the Big Ten? Or, what is the Big Ten missing out on by not having Temple? The Big Ten Network is already carried on the basic tier in Philadelphia, right? What match ups are can't miss with Temple in the conference that can't be filled by another school that also brings new markets, fans, and demographics?