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Possible G5 conference how would it rank - MJG - 02-02-2016 10:38 PM
Please don't bother stating the rules as to why it wouldn't happen it defeats the PURPOSE.
EAST travel partners
Youngstown St-EKU
NDSU-UND
UNI-SDSU
U Mass football only
WEST
Montana -Montana ST
Idaho-EWU/Portland ST
UC-Davis-Cal Poly/Sac ST
NMSU football only
The biggest stadiums would be 26-27k and the smaller ones 18.5k according to future plans.Most of the schools would be nationally ranked schools . Attendance would be better than the MAC .
I included options and a few schools I see as possibly being desperate like YSU,EKU and EWU . Desperate in the sense they have few options and would jump at the chance. Coastal Carolina comes to mind as an example of what I mean . Turned down by the CAA and Southern . They jumped over both conferences to join the SBC. They did not have a long drawn out study and drag their feet they jumped at their one big chance.
I think it is fair to assume a fifteen percent jump in attendance at least for every one of these schools .T.V. money and budgets would also increase by a total of 1.5-2 million a year at the least.
The MAC,C-USA and the Sun Belt are fairly even I think this conference would be close if not right there with them.
The AAC then the MWC might have an edge but the other three it would be close eventually.
So without shooting it down because it is currently impossible (so don't comment)
could this conference be a legit G5 conference.
Don't forget to hold the current G5 conferences to the same standards.
Like averaging 5k in attendance a conference under the minimum or a school with a sub ten million dollar budget.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - Native Georgian - 02-02-2016 10:44 PM
Even if, in some magical/make-believe world, such a conference came into being, it would be less lucrative, less visible, and less competitive than any existing FBS league, IMHO.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - NoDak - 02-03-2016 12:12 AM
Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - Attackcoog - 02-03-2016 01:24 AM
(02-03-2016 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote: Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
Schools replace games at the last minute all the time. Besides, the likelihood is Idaho would still play that game even if they dropped to FCS.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - DavidSt - 02-03-2016 01:55 AM
Not sure if that works.Lets say 2 C-USA gets shed off.
East
EAST travel partners
Youngstown St-EKU
Old Dominion/Delaware
James Madison/Stony Brook
U Mass football only
Central:
North Dakota State/South Dakota State
Northern Iowa/Missouri State
Lamar/La. Tech
New Mexico State football only
WEST
Montana -Montana ST
Idaho--Eastern Washington
UC-Davis-Cal Poly/Sac ST
Portland State football only
Then, you can expand with 5 new schools for each conferences.
You had the east schools as a long haul between the Dakota states to U. Mass. It would not work in the long run.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - LatahCounty - 02-03-2016 02:15 AM
(02-03-2016 01:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-03-2016 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote: Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
Schools replace games at the last minute all the time. Besides, the likelihood is Idaho would still play that game even if they dropped to FCS.
We have our AD scheduling P5 guarantee games out to 2022. If we drop to FCS, we'd lose out on some of those games entirely (Penn St. 2019, Indiana 2021 & 2022) and our payout would at least be dramatically slashed if we held onto the others. So that argues for staying FBS even if the Sun Belt gives us the boot.
Meanwhile, we have our President undercutting the AD at every turn, telling boosters that FBS indy would be extremely tough sledding and calling Big Sky football "competitive" and "exciting." So that indicates Idaho would drop down if not extended by the Sun Belt.
Meanwhile meanwhile, the vast majority of Idaho boosters would be infuriated by an attempt to drop to FCS, with many already pledging to never give a dime to the University again if that happens and making threats about the President's job. So that's an argument for Idaho staying FBS no matter what.
Bottom Line: If the Sun Belt doesn't vote to extend us, then who the hell knows what we'll do?
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - Attackcoog - 02-03-2016 02:33 AM
(02-03-2016 02:15 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:(02-03-2016 01:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-03-2016 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote: Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
Schools replace games at the last minute all the time. Besides, the likelihood is Idaho would still play that game even if they dropped to FCS.
We have our AD scheduling P5 guarantee games out to 2022. If we drop to FCS, we'd lose out on some of those games entirely (Penn St. 2019, Indiana 2021 & 2022) and our payout would at least be dramatically slashed if we held onto the others. So that argues for staying FBS even if the Sun Belt gives us the boot.
Meanwhile, we have our President undercutting the AD at every turn, telling boosters that FBS indy would be extremely tough sledding and calling Big Sky football "competitive" and "exciting." So that indicates Idaho would drop down if not extended by the Sun Belt.
Meanwhile meanwhile, the vast majority of Idaho boosters would be infuriated by an attempt to drop to FCS, with many already pledging to never give a dime to the University again if that happens and making threats about the President's job. So that's an argument for Idaho staying FBS no matter what.
Bottom Line: If the Sun Belt doesn't vote to extend us, then who the hell knows what we'll do?
Idaho is in a tough spot. The stronger FCS schools in that area really missed the boat when they decided not move up and save the WAC in 2011. The Dakota and Montana schools probably would have had a nice opportunity to move to league that would have been a reasonable fit for them. With a little patience, they likey would have had a chance to pull up a few more of thier old FCS buddies in future years to make the conference fit them like a glove.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - TodgeRodge - 02-03-2016 02:34 AM
you could call this the Big DavidSt Conference (BDSC)
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - NoDak - 02-03-2016 02:46 AM
(02-03-2016 02:15 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:(02-03-2016 01:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-03-2016 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote: Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
Schools replace games at the last minute all the time. Besides, the likelihood is Idaho would still play that game even if they dropped to FCS.
We have our AD scheduling P5 guarantee games out to 2022. If we drop to FCS, we'd lose out on some of those games entirely (Penn St. 2019, Indiana 2021 & 2022) and our payout would at least be dramatically slashed if we held onto the others. So that argues for staying FBS even if the Sun Belt gives us the boot.
Meanwhile, we have our President undercutting the AD at every turn, telling boosters that FBS indy would be extremely tough sledding and calling Big Sky football "competitive" and "exciting." So that indicates Idaho would drop down if not extended by the Sun Belt.
Meanwhile meanwhile, the vast majority of Idaho boosters would be infuriated by an attempt to drop to FCS, with many already pledging to never give a dime to the University again if that happens and making threats about the President's job. So that's an argument for Idaho staying FBS no matter what.
Bottom Line: If the Sun Belt doesn't vote to extend us, then who the hell knows what we'll do?
Idaho'scout President is playing mind games with the Sun Belt. He wants them to think he's planning to go FCS so they don't extend Idaho. Then a rule change comes and the Belt and other G5's don't have time to fight it.
It's also a way to get boosters to dig deeper.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - MJG - 02-03-2016 07:58 AM
Lets just assume the rules go back to what they were for Idaho,Boise ST and Arkansas ST to move up. Just for the sake of the discussion hard as that is for some.
Currently in FBS
We have had a school transition with actual attendance of five thousand a game.
We have had an FBS member report attendance under five thousand EMU .
We have one conference that was under the attendance rule as a conference.
We have a conference with a TV deal of 100k per school.
Divisions in olympic sports along with travel partners and football only members can make a stretched out conference work. A conference like this would really only need eight full members and two football only.
Three Dakota and UNI plus U Mass football only in the East.
The Montana schools Idaho and Portland St plus NMSU football only.
The easiest way would be the four Western teams plus UND join the Summit.
EWU would make sense to go to fourteen and add a decent market with future FBS possible. This would give the conference six current BSC teams . Play H&H in an unofficial East/west divisions rotating the Summit team for the West. Play the cross division teams once in basketball. Nineteen game conference schedule .
MARKETS
Omaha
Indianapolis
Tulsa
Spokane
Portland
Denver
State flagship schools counting football only members seven.
D1 hockey teams four it adds a little for rivalry purposes.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - TexanMark - 02-03-2016 08:22 AM
(02-03-2016 02:15 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:(02-03-2016 01:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-03-2016 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote: Either the NCAA changes its FBS moveups rules, or Idaho is screwed. Pretty simple.
But it's curious that LSU would now schedule a $1.4 mill guarantee game with Idaho in 2020 if Idaho was doomed to go FCS.
Schools replace games at the last minute all the time. Besides, the likelihood is Idaho would still play that game even if they dropped to FCS.
We have our AD scheduling P5 guarantee games out to 2022. If we drop to FCS, we'd lose out on some of those games entirely (Penn St. 2019, Indiana 2021 & 2022) and our payout would at least be dramatically slashed if we held onto the others. So that argues for staying FBS even if the Sun Belt gives us the boot.
Meanwhile, we have our President undercutting the AD at every turn, telling boosters that FBS indy would be extremely tough sledding and calling Big Sky football "competitive" and "exciting." So that indicates Idaho would drop down if not extended by the Sun Belt.
Meanwhile meanwhile, the vast majority of Idaho boosters would be infuriated by an attempt to drop to FCS, with many already pledging to never give a dime to the University again if that happens and making threats about the President's job. So that's an argument for Idaho staying FBS no matter what.
Bottom Line: If the Sun Belt doesn't vote to extend us, then who the hell knows what we'll do?
Geography is your enemy. If you were in the Midwest, Idaho would be the classic MAC team.
Sadly for Idaho you have seen Boise St. and Oregon emerge. Your school being located in the Idaho panhandle doesn't help as it is away from the bigger population centers (save for Spokane which is mostly WSU territory)
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - MJG - 02-03-2016 11:41 AM
Idaho might be the obvious team that is in jeopardy.
They are not alone though U Mass and NMSU are in the same boat.
Realignment could be done or minimal like the MWC taking two from C-USA.
If the Sun Belt is willing to drop to ten and hold a CCG why wouldn't others.
That spot might never be there for the three of them and any school with the hope of moving up.
This is also the only option for strong candidates like NDSU,SDSU,Montana and Montana ST.
These four average 19k,17k,24k and 16k already.
Six states to find a senator who wants to push for inclusion for their state flagship school.
Besides the schools I listed as the FBS members of this conference any other school locked out would also favor a path to FBS.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - DavidSt - 02-03-2016 03:11 PM
(02-03-2016 11:41 AM)MJG Wrote: Idaho might be the obvious team that is in jeopardy.
They are not alone though U Mass and NMSU are in the same boat.
Realignment could be done or minimal like the MWC taking two from C-USA.
If the Sun Belt is willing to drop to ten and hold a CCG why wouldn't others.
That spot might never be there for the three of them and any school with the hope of moving up.
This is also the only option for strong candidates like NDSU,SDSU,Montana and Montana ST.
These four average 19k,17k,24k and 16k already.
Six states to find a senator who wants to push for inclusion for their state flagship school.
Besides the schools I listed as the FBS members of this conference any other school locked out would also favor a path to FBS.
Jacksonville State, Delaware, James Madison and Lamar at times get more than 15,000. 3 of them have stadiums that could seat more than 20,000. Stony Brook could be an easy target to get as well. The football, basketball and baseball have made headlines in recent years. Youngstown State draws more than EMU.
Very strong candidates to FBS.
Big Sky:
Eastern Washington (Spokane)
Portland State (Portland)
Sacramento State (Sacramento)
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
North Dakota
Northern Iowa
Missouri State (obvious target)
Eastern Kentucky
Alabama State
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Lamar
Abilene Christian (Abilene tv market)
Sam Houston State
McNeese State
Delaware
James Madison
Delaware State
Florida A&M
West Florida (building a 15,000 seat stadium, and could expand more.)
Kennesaw State
Chattanooga
Jackson State
New Hampshire
Maine
URI
Albany
Towson
Schools could be looked at if they add football?
Wichita State
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.)
UCSD
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
VCU
North Florida
UTRGV
Florida Gulf Coast
Vermont
Xavier
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part.
UTA
Little Rock
We know that the SBC would love to have Missouri State, Chattanooga and any one of the Florida schools listed.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - Erictelevision - 02-03-2016 03:16 PM
Would the AAC be interested in the New England schools?
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - DavidSt - 02-03-2016 03:28 PM
UConn used to play with some of the New England schools before they joined the Big East. Could be an interesting thought since most of those schools are ranked high for academics. Especially with Delaware.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - MJG - 02-03-2016 08:07 PM
(02-03-2016 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(02-03-2016 11:41 AM)MJG Wrote: Idaho might be the obvious team that is in jeopardy.
They are not alone though U Mass and NMSU are in the same boat.
Realignment could be done or minimal like the MWC taking two from C-USA.
If the Sun Belt is willing to drop to ten and hold a CCG why wouldn't others.
That spot might never be there for the three of them and any school with the hope of moving up.
This is also the only option for strong candidates like NDSU,SDSU,Montana and Montana ST.
These four average 19k,17k,24k and 16k already.
Six states to find a senator who wants to push for inclusion for their state flagship school.
Besides the schools I listed as the FBS members of this conference any other school locked out would also favor a path to FBS.
Jacksonville State, Delaware, James Madison and Lamar at times get more than 15,000. 3 of them have stadiums that could seat more than 20,000. Stony Brook could be an easy target to get as well. The football, basketball and baseball have made headlines in recent years. Youngstown State draws more than EMU.
Very strong candidates to FBS.
Big Sky:
Eastern Washington (Spokane)
Portland State (Portland)
Sacramento State (Sacramento)
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
North Dakota
Northern Iowa
Missouri State (obvious target)
Eastern Kentucky
Alabama State
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Lamar
Abilene Christian (Abilene tv market)
Sam Houston State
McNeese State
Delaware
James Madison
Delaware State
Florida A&M
West Florida (building a 15,000 seat stadium, and could expand more.)
Kennesaw State
Chattanooga
Jackson State
New Hampshire
Maine
URI
Albany
Towson
Schools could be looked at if they add football?
Wichita State
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.)
UCSD
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
VCU
North Florida
UTRGV
Florida Gulf Coast
Vermont
Xavier
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part.
UTA
Little Rock
We know that the SBC would love to have Missouri State, Chattanooga and any one of the Florida schools listed.
Your list always include schools without football or any interest in FBS.
I do agree the list.of schools who favor future access being possible is long.
Even if you are the dishwasher you want to be the chef one day.
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - DavidSt - 02-05-2016 02:16 PM
(02-03-2016 08:07 PM)MJG Wrote:(02-03-2016 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(02-03-2016 11:41 AM)MJG Wrote: Idaho might be the obvious team that is in jeopardy.
They are not alone though U Mass and NMSU are in the same boat.
Realignment could be done or minimal like the MWC taking two from C-USA.
If the Sun Belt is willing to drop to ten and hold a CCG why wouldn't others.
That spot might never be there for the three of them and any school with the hope of moving up.
This is also the only option for strong candidates like NDSU,SDSU,Montana and Montana ST.
These four average 19k,17k,24k and 16k already.
Six states to find a senator who wants to push for inclusion for their state flagship school.
Besides the schools I listed as the FBS members of this conference any other school locked out would also favor a path to FBS.
Jacksonville State, Delaware, James Madison and Lamar at times get more than 15,000. 3 of them have stadiums that could seat more than 20,000. Stony Brook could be an easy target to get as well. The football, basketball and baseball have made headlines in recent years. Youngstown State draws more than EMU.
Very strong candidates to FBS.
Big Sky:
Eastern Washington (Spokane)
Portland State (Portland)
Sacramento State (Sacramento)
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
North Dakota
Northern Iowa
Missouri State (obvious target)
Eastern Kentucky
Alabama State
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Lamar
Abilene Christian (Abilene tv market)
Sam Houston State
McNeese State
Delaware
James Madison
Delaware State
Florida A&M
West Florida (building a 15,000 seat stadium, and could expand more.)
Kennesaw State
Chattanooga
Jackson State
New Hampshire
Maine
URI
Albany
Towson
Schools could be looked at if they add football?
Wichita State
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.)
UCSD
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
VCU
North Florida
UTRGV
Florida Gulf Coast
Vermont
Xavier
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part.
UTA
Little Rock
We know that the SBC would love to have Missouri State, Chattanooga and any one of the Florida schools listed.
Your list always include schools without football or any interest in FBS.
I do agree the list.of schools who favor future access being possible is long.
Even if you are the dishwasher you want to be the chef one day.
Wichita State Looks adding football (MWC/AAC)
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.) (MAC)
UCSD (MWC if they loses San Diego State to expansion)
Long Beach State (MWC for the LA market)
Fullerton State (same as Long Beach State)
VCU (C-USA/AAC)
North Florida (SBC)
UTRGV (MWC/SBC/C-USA)
Florida Gulf Coast (SBC)
Vermont (Independent with U. Mass. or MAC as a travel partner for all sports with U. Mass.)
Xavier (MAC if they loses some Ohio schools)
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part. (would MWC take them just for the Phoenix market?
UTA (SBC)
Little Rock(SBC)
Little Rock and UTA are already in the SBC and would get in without an invite.
Possible G5 conference how would it rank - utpotts - 02-05-2016 02:31 PM
(02-05-2016 02:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(02-03-2016 08:07 PM)MJG Wrote:(02-03-2016 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(02-03-2016 11:41 AM)MJG Wrote: Idaho might be the obvious team that is in jeopardy.
They are not alone though U Mass and NMSU are in the same boat.
Realignment could be done or minimal like the MWC taking two from C-USA.
If the Sun Belt is willing to drop to ten and hold a CCG why wouldn't others.
That spot might never be there for the three of them and any school with the hope of moving up.
This is also the only option for strong candidates like NDSU,SDSU,Montana and Montana ST.
These four average 19k,17k,24k and 16k already.
Six states to find a senator who wants to push for inclusion for their state flagship school.
Besides the schools I listed as the FBS members of this conference any other school locked out would also favor a path to FBS.
Jacksonville State, Delaware, James Madison and Lamar at times get more than 15,000. 3 of them have stadiums that could seat more than 20,000. Stony Brook could be an easy target to get as well. The football, basketball and baseball have made headlines in recent years. Youngstown State draws more than EMU.
Very strong candidates to FBS.
Big Sky:
Eastern Washington (Spokane)
Portland State (Portland)
Sacramento State (Sacramento)
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
North Dakota
Northern Iowa
Missouri State (obvious target)
Eastern Kentucky
Alabama State
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Lamar
Abilene Christian (Abilene tv market)
Sam Houston State
McNeese State
Delaware
James Madison
Delaware State
Florida A&M
West Florida (building a 15,000 seat stadium, and could expand more.)
Kennesaw State
Chattanooga
Jackson State
New Hampshire
Maine
URI
Albany
Towson
Schools could be looked at if they add football?
Wichita State
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.)
UCSD
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
VCU
North Florida
UTRGV
Florida Gulf Coast
Vermont
Xavier
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part.
UTA
Little Rock
We know that the SBC would love to have Missouri State, Chattanooga and any one of the Florida schools listed.
Your list always include schools without football or any interest in FBS.
I do agree the list.of schools who favor future access being possible is long.
Even if you are the dishwasher you want to be the chef one day.
Wichita State Looks adding football (MWC/AAC)
Milwaukee (be the 2nd school in D1 to have football.) (MAC)
UCSD (MWC if they loses San Diego State to expansion)
Long Beach State (MWC for the LA market)
Fullerton State (same as Long Beach State)
VCU (C-USA/AAC)
North Florida (SBC)
UTRGV (MWC/SBC/C-USA)
Florida Gulf Coast (SBC)
Vermont (Independent with U. Mass. or MAC as a travel partner for all sports with U. Mass.)
Xavier (MAC if they loses some Ohio schools)
Grand Canyon U. once they drop the for profit part. (would MWC take them just for the Phoenix market?
UTA (SBC)
Little Rock(SBC)
Little Rock and UTA are already in the SBC and would get in without an invite.
Another delusional post by the Arkansas Tech fan. The funniest thing is that he never has any sources about these schools that "want to move up."
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - TardisCaptain - 02-05-2016 02:43 PM
What I'd like to see. Not that I have any proof of it happening.
American West Conference
-East Division-
Montana
Montana St
New Mexico St
North Dakota
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
-West Division-
Cal-Davis (FB only, Oly stays in BW)
Cal Poly SLO (FB only, Oly stays in BW)
Cal St Bakersfield (Oly sports, travel partner for Sac St)
Eastern Washington
Idaho
Portland St
Sacramento St
Seattle (Oly sports, travel partner for Portland St)
RE: Possible G5 conference how would it rank - MJG - 02-05-2016 10:33 PM
(02-05-2016 02:43 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote: What I'd like to see. Not that I have any proof of it happening.
American West Conference
-East Division-
Montana
Montana St
New Mexico St
North Dakota
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
-West Division-
Cal-Davis (FB only, Oly stays in BW)
Cal Poly SLO (FB only, Oly stays in BW)
Cal St Bakersfield (Oly sports, travel partner for Sac St)
Eastern Washington
Idaho
Portland St
Sacramento St
Seattle (Oly sports, travel partner for Portland St)
How could this conference not be better than a few current G5 conferences?
Better markets good costs savings with travel partners and mostly strong academics. Some under served markets for FBS football like Sacramento,Portland and Spokane. switch a football only to the East for a seven team split. adding USD for an olympic sports travel partner and NMSU football only would help costs.
Too bad the BSC and Summit can't trade some schools it would make it easy.