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American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MWC Tex - 01-12-2016 11:45 AM

http://americansportsnet.com/asn-launches-247-broadcast-network-on-Monday/

weekly schedule
http://americansportsnet.com/guide/


American Sports Network goes another step and starts broadcasting OTA full time. Granted they are on sub-channels, it seems they having the backing of the parent company Sinclair to get the rolling.

If ASN grows, I can see some independent stations that may sign up with them as .1 channel down the road depending on the their growth.

Good for the cable cutters and A-10/ CUSA. Have to wonder is this will play a part of CUSA's new TV package.

(Just an idea how many viewers watching certain sub-channels, MeTV (old time shows) averages 440,000 households or 560,000 viewers, maybe ASN will growing to more than that with a dedicated full-time channel and word of mouth)

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MplsBison - 01-12-2016 12:16 PM

I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-12-2016 12:25 PM

There is nothing preventing them from taking that same OTA signal and streaming online via a Roku or Chromecast app. This is what is killing ESPN. They have leveraged so much cash in these TV deals at the same time that cable industry is hemorrhaging customers.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MplsBison - 01-12-2016 12:32 PM

(01-12-2016 12:25 PM)panama Wrote:  There is nothing preventing them from taking that same OTA signal and streaming online via a Roku or Chromecast app. This is what is killing ESPN. They have leveraged so much cash in these TV deals at the same time that cable industry is hemorrhaging customers.

ESPN has lost some customers. Enough to get their attention.

They'll figure out how to get their customers back under some sort of umbrella number.

It's not like people stopped watching sports. They might just not be turning on a cable/sat box to do it, anymore.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - chiefsfan - 01-12-2016 12:41 PM

This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-12-2016 12:49 PM

(01-12-2016 12:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

They do say more cities to be added soon. The difference is that Sinclair does not have hundreds of millions tied up contracts and build slow and steadily. They do not have to become ESPN to be successful.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-12-2016 12:50 PM

(01-12-2016 12:32 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:25 PM)panama Wrote:  There is nothing preventing them from taking that same OTA signal and streaming online via a Roku or Chromecast app. This is what is killing ESPN. They have leveraged so much cash in these TV deals at the same time that cable industry is hemorrhaging customers.

ESPN has lost some customers. Enough to get their attention.

They'll figure out how to get their customers back under some sort of umbrella number.

It's not like people stopped watching sports. They might just not be turning on a cable/sat box to do it, anymore.
Their only play means less money for conference contracts.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MWC Tex - 01-12-2016 01:07 PM

(01-12-2016 12:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

The big news is that the steady stream of programming helps people know the channel ASN is showing games. Just like Antenna/ Comet or MeTV, people know where those are located.

For OTA customers, is doesn't matter as much if it is on a sub-channel since even those channels are HD also.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - chiefsfan - 01-12-2016 01:15 PM

(01-12-2016 01:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

The big news is that the steady stream of programming helps people know the channel ASN is showing games. Just like Antenna/ Comet or MeTV, people know where those are located.

For OTA customers, is doesn't matter as much if it is on a sub-channel since even those channels are HD also.

But which games are they streaming? Arkansas has one affiliate, that was available on a Sub Channel that stayed strictly in the Little Rock metro area. I know that station was showing D2 games ahead of the D1 games available several times.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-12-2016 01:17 PM

(01-12-2016 01:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

The big news is that the steady stream of programming helps people know the channel ASN is showing games. Just like Antenna/ Comet or MeTV, people know where those are located.

For OTA customers, is doesn't matter as much if it is on a sub-channel since even those channels are HD also.

But which games are they streaming? Arkansas has one affiliate, that was available on a Sub Channel that stayed strictly in the Little Rock metro area. I know that station was showing D2 games ahead of the D1 games available several times.
D1 games available for the conferences they cover?

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MplsBison - 01-12-2016 03:22 PM

(01-12-2016 12:50 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:32 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:25 PM)panama Wrote:  There is nothing preventing them from taking that same OTA signal and streaming online via a Roku or Chromecast app. This is what is killing ESPN. They have leveraged so much cash in these TV deals at the same time that cable industry is hemorrhaging customers.

ESPN has lost some customers. Enough to get their attention.

They'll figure out how to get their customers back under some sort of umbrella number.

It's not like people stopped watching sports. They might just not be turning on a cable/sat box to do it, anymore.

Their only play means less money for conference contracts.

Nope.

The number of people watching college sports telecasts hasn't decreased. So the conferences have no incentive to accept less money.

It's not the conferences' business to best determine how the new model will work with the evolving telecast distribution technology.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - Chuck_A - 01-13-2016 12:25 AM

(01-12-2016 12:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

There are more people who have tuned out on cable/satellite tv and turned on to OTA TV than you think. Cable/satellite and even streaming ventures are costing an arm and a leg. If I didn't live in Chicago and wasn't a huge sports fan, I'd give up my Directv and go back to OTA. The White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks show most of their games on Comcast SportsNet with an occasional game on Saturday nights on WGN or My50 Chicago (which in Chicago is owned by Fox). I watch MeTV, and have watched the other "Classic" TV stations when I did have OTA TV. I watch the local network channels (2-CBS, 5-NBC, 7-ABC, 9-WGN- 32-FOX). That's really all you need. Some of these networks own some of these OTA TV stations anyway. It gets harder and harder to justify paying between $150-$200 for pay tv.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MplsBison - 01-13-2016 12:58 PM

(01-13-2016 12:25 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

There are more people who have tuned out on cable/satellite tv and turned on to OTA TV than you think. Cable/satellite and even streaming ventures are costing an arm and a leg. If I didn't live in Chicago and wasn't a huge sports fan, I'd give up my Directv and go back to OTA. The White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks show most of their games on Comcast SportsNet with an occasional game on Saturday nights on WGN or My50 Chicago (which in Chicago is owned by Fox). I watch MeTV, and have watched the other "Classic" TV stations when I did have OTA TV. I watch the local network channels (2-CBS, 5-NBC, 7-ABC, 9-WGN- 32-FOX). That's really all you need. Some of these networks own some of these OTA TV stations anyway. It gets harder and harder to justify paying between $150-$200 for pay tv.

OTA has always had far higher viewership than cable. That's not the point.

The point is that there's more money to be made on cable than OTA.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - Yosef Himself - 01-13-2016 01:59 PM

Pity that both ASN channels in NC are not in HD. Only 480i. WLFL.2 and WXLV.2

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-13-2016 04:29 PM

(01-13-2016 12:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 12:25 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

There are more people who have tuned out on cable/satellite tv and turned on to OTA TV than you think. Cable/satellite and even streaming ventures are costing an arm and a leg. If I didn't live in Chicago and wasn't a huge sports fan, I'd give up my Directv and go back to OTA. The White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks show most of their games on Comcast SportsNet with an occasional game on Saturday nights on WGN or My50 Chicago (which in Chicago is owned by Fox). I watch MeTV, and have watched the other "Classic" TV stations when I did have OTA TV. I watch the local network channels (2-CBS, 5-NBC, 7-ABC, 9-WGN- 32-FOX). That's really all you need. Some of these networks own some of these OTA TV stations anyway. It gets harder and harder to justify paying between $150-$200 for pay tv.

OTA has always had far higher viewership than cable. That's not the point.

The point is that there's more money to be made on cable than OTA.

Disney is on Line 2. They would like a word...

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - arkstfan - 01-13-2016 04:30 PM

(01-12-2016 01:17 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This is not really news. Games are still barely available outside of markets with the teams playing. Ti just provides a more steady stream of programming for some of these sub channels, so they don't have to show 24 hour weather maps all the time.

The big news is that the steady stream of programming helps people know the channel ASN is showing games. Just like Antenna/ Comet or MeTV, people know where those are located.

For OTA customers, is doesn't matter as much if it is on a sub-channel since even those channels are HD also.

But which games are they streaming? Arkansas has one affiliate, that was available on a Sub Channel that stayed strictly in the Little Rock metro area. I know that station was showing D2 games ahead of the D1 games available several times.
D1 games available for the conferences they cover?

I hit the switch on my TV one Saturday in Little Rock to go from satellite to antenna to catch a CUSA game on the ASN affiliate and when I got to the channel they were showing a D2 or D3 game out of Iowa. Coaches were taller than most of the players.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - DavidSt - 01-13-2016 07:08 PM

There are several independent stations here in Arkansas.

MeTV
RetroTV
AntennaTV
KARZ
Comet
Grit
Too many local Religious channels.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - SlyFox - 01-13-2016 07:48 PM

Sinclair is starting to invest rather significantly in these college broadcasts. One of my friends is the lead college hoops analyst for them and he is extremely busy working games.

The cable subscription model that made Disney and Fox so much money forcing basic tier carriage for their frontline channels is dying fast. It is not the total number of people watching sports that is dropping. It is th total number of people who were forced to buy ESPN in order to get their Lifetime Network movies through cable that are dying fast. expect the new conference deals to be much lower than anyone would have guessed just 2 years ago.

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - MplsBison - 01-13-2016 08:44 PM

(01-13-2016 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 12:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 12:25 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

There are more people who have tuned out on cable/satellite tv and turned on to OTA TV than you think. Cable/satellite and even streaming ventures are costing an arm and a leg. If I didn't live in Chicago and wasn't a huge sports fan, I'd give up my Directv and go back to OTA. The White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks show most of their games on Comcast SportsNet with an occasional game on Saturday nights on WGN or My50 Chicago (which in Chicago is owned by Fox). I watch MeTV, and have watched the other "Classic" TV stations when I did have OTA TV. I watch the local network channels (2-CBS, 5-NBC, 7-ABC, 9-WGN- 32-FOX). That's really all you need. Some of these networks own some of these OTA TV stations anyway. It gets harder and harder to justify paying between $150-$200 for pay tv.

OTA has always had far higher viewership than cable. That's not the point.

The point is that there's more money to be made on cable than OTA.

Disney is on Line 2. They would like a word...

So your advice to Disney is to put all ESPN programming on OTA?

RE: American Sports Networks goes full time OTA - panama - 01-13-2016 08:47 PM

(01-13-2016 08:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 12:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 12:25 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 12:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just don't see much future for OTA TV, other than local news. Once national content feeds go to cable/streaming exclusively and the OTA stations are sold off, they'll all be small time stuff like MeTV, etc.

Carriage/subscriber fees are the future of pay TV. Advertising is secondary.

There are more people who have tuned out on cable/satellite tv and turned on to OTA TV than you think. Cable/satellite and even streaming ventures are costing an arm and a leg. If I didn't live in Chicago and wasn't a huge sports fan, I'd give up my Directv and go back to OTA. The White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks show most of their games on Comcast SportsNet with an occasional game on Saturday nights on WGN or My50 Chicago (which in Chicago is owned by Fox). I watch MeTV, and have watched the other "Classic" TV stations when I did have OTA TV. I watch the local network channels (2-CBS, 5-NBC, 7-ABC, 9-WGN- 32-FOX). That's really all you need. Some of these networks own some of these OTA TV stations anyway. It gets harder and harder to justify paying between $150-$200 for pay tv.

OTA has always had far higher viewership than cable. That's not the point.

The point is that there's more money to be made on cable than OTA.

Disney is on Line 2. They would like a word...

So your advice to Disney is to put all ESPN programming on OTA?
My advice is to cut a lot of stuff lose (Longhorn Network???) and start leveraging what they have already built for streaming with the WarchESPN app after losing $700M.