(01-12-2016 10:40 PM)burden Wrote:  Not very impressed tonight. At about the 6 minute mark we finally hit some threes and ended up 8/25 for the game. Had to miss our first five or six so that saved us tonight. What really concerned me though was the trouble Miami's press gave us. Sendy better fix that right now. Again Miami looked a lot quicker than us.

I counted the crowd halfway through the first half and counted about 750. I've noticed a lot of people who came to every game are missing quite a few this year. I know the weather was cold but then again basketball is a winter sport so other than bad snowstorms attendance should not be that affected. No students doesn't help but this was worse than I've seen in awhile.

As of now this team is not as good as its record.

(01-12-2016 11:12 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  LMAO. You guys are unreal. I am pretty sure we won the MAC East last year and graduated our entire backcourt and are still one of the favorites to win the MAC this year. And OU got pounded at home tonight by the team that was picked to finish last in the MAC East (BG). So lets relax.

(01-13-2016 08:32 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  *I couldn't agree with Coach Senderoff more when he lamented the inability to close out the game. Maybe it is something that is learned (it was game 16). Pollard is careless with the basketball. Of course, he isn't a point guard so...

(01-13-2016 08:32 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  *I would think long and hard about an expanded role for Avery as soon as possible. I think that could solidify Pollard's role as an off guard and take minutes away from Cancer, who simply has not been productive.

(01-13-2016 08:32 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  <snip>
*25 three pointers is too many for this team. I would like to know how many were shot in the last 5-8 minutes of the game.
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(01-12-2016 11:16 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 10:40 PM)burden Wrote:  Not very impressed tonight. At about the 6 minute mark we finally hit some threes and ended up 8/25 for the game. Had to miss our first five or six so that saved us tonight. What really concerned me though was the trouble Miami's press gave us. Sendy better fix that right now. Again Miami looked a lot quicker than us.

I counted the crowd halfway through the first half and counted about 750. I've noticed a lot of people who came to every game are missing quite a few this year. I know the weather was cold but then again basketball is a winter sport so other than bad snowstorms attendance should not be that affected. No students doesn't help but this was worse than I've seen in awhile.

As of now this team is not as good as its record.

I love people that say this. Actually, we are exactly what our record indicates.

(01-13-2016 07:31 AM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:12 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  LMAO. You guys are unreal. I am pretty sure we won the MAC East last year and graduated our entire backcourt and are still one of the favorites to win the MAC this year. And OU got pounded at home tonight by the team that was picked to finish last in the MAC East (BG). So lets relax.

I am pretty sure we tied Buffalo last year for the MAC East, not an outright win. Does that mean we didn't we the MAC East?

I am pretty sure that we used our bye to the MACC to lose to Akron in the quarters. Ok?

I am pretty sure that today's traditional KSU Freshmen were not even in kindergarten when we made our Elite 8 run. We haven't won an NCAA game since and haven't even been to the dance in 10 (?) years. The MAC is a 1 bid league and we are in the mix year in and year out. IMO, really, that is all you can ask. We will break through and get back to the tourney sooner rather than later.

I am perfectly relaxed because I gave up believing this program was anything special a few seasons back. We aren't in the top 3 of the MAC nor in the bottom 3. Right smack in the middle. Enjoy following them, but don't expect much. It should be easy to be a fan if you have no/low expectations.

If this is locker room material, good.

(01-13-2016 10:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  I hear what both sides are saying. I dunno, it's tough to really explain. But to me, KSU basketball is just in a really weird place right now. Maybe it is that dreaded "middle ground" that FlashFan brought up. That is a place no one wants to be.

I just don't like the dwindling interest in what was once the MAC's flagship program. I mean this thread had one reply to it after the game yesterday. One. Other teams in the MAC have running commentaries of games on their message boards.

The attendance has been on the steady decline, the facilities are outdated and tired, top athletic department administrators don't even come to games, students who do come are apathetic and uniterested and instead of getting fans hyped during timeouts using the out-of-place video boards, we play commercials.

I just don't think there is a demand to go to games. The brand of basketball we play is respectable and we win more than we lose, but there is just no wow factor. Like in 2000-2003 you HAD to go to the games to see those players. It was must-see material. It was the same - albeit to a lower extent - in 2006 and 2008. Since then, I don't know, we just haven't had that player or team that you just had to see. I feel like there's zero connection between the team/coaches and the fans/students. There's no one you can really latch on to. I don't know maybe I'm off base and rambling.

I do think it's kind of a slap in the face to basketball that the arena remains untouched in the years since the Elite Eight. When other, non-revenue sports have had national success you've seen visible changes to their facilities instantly. The fact that the MAC Center is the same now as it was 20 years ago - despite being the home to basketball, gymnastics and wrestling; all of whom have had recent and sustained national success - is mind boggling.

(01-13-2016 02:46 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  I hear what both sides are saying. I dunno, it's tough to really explain. But to me, KSU basketball is just in a really weird place right now. Maybe it is that dreaded "middle ground" that FlashFan brought up. That is a place no one wants to be.

I just don't like the dwindling interest in what was once the MAC's flagship program. I mean this thread had one reply to it after the game yesterday. One. Other teams in the MAC have running commentaries of games on their message boards.

The attendance has been on the steady decline, the facilities are outdated and tired, top athletic department administrators don't even come to games, students who do come are apathetic and uniterested and instead of getting fans hyped during timeouts using the out-of-place video boards, we play commercials.

I just don't think there is a demand to go to games. The brand of basketball we play is respectable and we win more than we lose, but there is just no wow factor. Like in 2000-2003 you HAD to go to the games to see those players. It was must-see material. It was the same - albeit to a lower extent - in 2006 and 2008. Since then, I don't know, we just haven't had that player or team that you just had to see. I feel like there's zero connection between the team/coaches and the fans/students. There's no one you can really latch on to. I don't know maybe I'm off base and rambling.

I do think it's kind of a slap in the face to basketball that the arena remains untouched in the years since the Elite Eight. When other, non-revenue sports have had national success you've seen visible changes to their facilities instantly. The fact that the MAC Center is the same now as it was 20 years ago - despite being the home to basketball, gymnastics and wrestling; all of whom have had recent and sustained national success - is mind boggling.

I get what you are saying about fan interest - I've seen some similar remarks on the Akron and other boards. I see one problem today with college students is all of the other distractors! First there are a ton of games on TV every night, one can also stream games and even when you go to a game people are on there phones. I can't tell you how many Browns games I've been at where folks around me are texting (of course it is the Browns). All that said, maybe we haven't had enough four year stars or any really dynamic guys of late like Q, Singletary or Evans. I also believe thay said that the MACC was the fourth oldest arena in D-1 during the Buffalo game - certainly not the most comfortable place in the MAC.

(01-13-2016 01:12 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:31 AM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:12 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  LMAO. You guys are unreal. I am pretty sure we won the MAC East last year and graduated our entire backcourt and are still one of the favorites to win the MAC this year. And OU got pounded at home tonight by the team that was picked to finish last in the MAC East (BG). So lets relax.

I am pretty sure we tied Buffalo last year for the MAC East, not an outright win. Does that mean we didn't we the MAC East?

I am pretty sure that we used our bye to the MACC to lose to Akron in the quarters. Ok?

I am pretty sure that today's traditional KSU Freshmen were not even in kindergarten when we made our Elite 8 run. We haven't won an NCAA game since and haven't even been to the dance in 10 (?) years. The MAC is a 1 bid league and we are in the mix year in and year out. IMO, really, that is all you can ask. We will break through and get back to the tourney sooner rather than later.

I am perfectly relaxed because I gave up believing this program was anything special a few seasons back. We aren't in the top 3 of the MAC nor in the bottom 3. Right smack in the middle. Enjoy following them, but don't expect much. It should be easy to be a fan if you have no/low expectations.

If this is locker room material, good.

(01-13-2016 10:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  I hear what both sides are saying. I dunno, it's tough to really explain. But to me, KSU basketball is just in a really weird place right now. Maybe it is that dreaded "middle ground" that FlashFan brought up. That is a place no one wants to be.

I just don't like the dwindling interest in what was once the MAC's flagship program. I mean this thread had one reply to it after the game yesterday. One. Other teams in the MAC have running commentaries of games on their message boards.

The attendance has been on the steady decline, the facilities are outdated and tired, top athletic department administrators don't even come to games, students who do come are apathetic and uniterested and instead of getting fans hyped during timeouts using the out-of-place video boards, we play commercials.

I just don't think there is a demand to go to games. The brand of basketball we play is respectable and we win more than we lose, but there is just no wow factor. Like in 2000-2003 you HAD to go to the games to see those players. It was must-see material. It was the same - albeit to a lower extent - in 2006 and 2008. Since then, I don't know, we just haven't had that player or team that you just had to see. I feel like there's zero connection between the team/coaches and the fans/students. There's no one you can really latch on to. I don't know maybe I'm off base and rambling.

I do think it's kind of a slap in the face to basketball that the arena remains untouched in the years since the Elite Eight. When other, non-revenue sports have had national success you've seen visible changes to their facilities instantly. The fact that the MAC Center is the same now as it was 20 years ago - despite being the home to basketball, gymnastics and wrestling; all of whom have had recent and sustained national success - is mind boggling.

(01-13-2016 10:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  I do think it's kind of a slap in the face to basketball that the arena remains untouched in the years since the Elite Eight. When other, non-revenue sports have had national success you've seen visible changes to their facilities instantly. The fact that the MAC Center is the same now as it was 20 years ago - despite being the home to basketball, gymnastics and wrestling; all of whom have had recent and sustained national success - is mind boggling.