(07-07-2016 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Serious questions here,
I'm not at all on purpose with these questions.

But, with all the talk of the Braves leaving for a "better area", getting away from one of the worse traffic spots in the country, avoiding car break ins, wrong turns that leave you getting car jacked two blocks from the stadium etc....

Are we going to get these same issues with going to GAST games?
Or are they developing the surrounding areas?
Is Saturday traffic in that area as bad as week day? or Worse?
I go to a Braves game or two a year maybe, but don't have a real good feel on normal traffic through there each day of the week. I maybe drive through Atlanta a couple of other times a year.

I'm sure they have/will have the money for the purchase and or retro fit of the facility. But what about these problems with the location?

(07-07-2016 06:00 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Serious questions here,
I'm not at all on purpose with these questions.

But, with all the talk of the Braves leaving for a "better area", getting away from one of the worse traffic spots in the country, avoiding car break ins, wrong turns that leave you getting car jacked two blocks from the stadium etc....

Are we going to get these same issues with going to GAST games?
Or are they developing the surrounding areas?
Is Saturday traffic in that area as bad as week day? or Worse?
I go to a Braves game or two a year maybe, but don't have a real good feel on normal traffic through there each day of the week. I maybe drive through Atlanta a couple of other times a year.

I'm sure they have/will have the money for the purchase and or retro fit of the facility. But what about these problems with the location?

My gut tells me parking won't be an issue, as most games will be a Saturday, the GSU lots will be available, etc. You're talking six days a year versus 81 days too. The plan proposed in the bid mentions lots of mixed use areas too, such as shopping, convenience stores, so the plan is much more than retro-fit the Ted, it's also develop the area (ergo, Carter's involvement). Atlanta never seemed interested in developing the area, but it's in GSU's interests to do so because dorms will go there, so students and other residents ought to see the benefits...70+ acres near GSU don't become available often and GSU has a solid history of revitalizing areas once it moves in.

(07-07-2016 07:05 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 06:00 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Serious questions here,
I'm not at all on purpose with these questions.

But, with all the talk of the Braves leaving for a "better area", getting away from one of the worse traffic spots in the country, avoiding car break ins, wrong turns that leave you getting car jacked two blocks from the stadium etc....

Are we going to get these same issues with going to GAST games?
Or are they developing the surrounding areas?
Is Saturday traffic in that area as bad as week day? or Worse?
I go to a Braves game or two a year maybe, but don't have a real good feel on normal traffic through there each day of the week. I maybe drive through Atlanta a couple of other times a year.

I'm sure they have/will have the money for the purchase and or retro fit of the facility. But what about these problems with the location?

My gut tells me parking won't be an issue, as most games will be a Saturday, the GSU lots will be available, etc. You're talking six days a year versus 81 days too. The plan proposed in the bid mentions lots of mixed use areas too, such as shopping, convenience stores, so the plan is much more than retro-fit the Ted, it's also develop the area (ergo, Carter's involvement). Atlanta never seemed interested in developing the area, but it's in GSU's interests to do so because dorms will go there, so students and other residents ought to see the benefits...70+ acres near GSU don't become available often and GSU has a solid history of revitalizing areas once it moves in.

I think his question is pointing more toward the areas around the 70 acres of the Turner property. I think the plan for development for that land is pretty fleshed out (at least in concept), but there's nothing about the surrounding area. That was the issue the Braves had wasn't it? Lack of development outside the confines of their property?

(07-04-2016 12:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 11:18 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 03:48 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  @Panama: sorry I completely misread your earlier comment. But yes, I agree the Cumberland-Galleria Braves will definitely be a "once a year" (or less) kind of a thing for 99% of fans.

MLB (and NFL, NBA) has made it clear for a long time that it no longer views itself as ordinary, middle-class family entertainment. For good or ill that's their choice and their sticking to it.

You're crazy if you really believe this. The stadium at Cumberland will be closer to the majority of fans that attend games and own season tickets. Why would it be a once a year type of thing?

Because those folks, like most Atlantans are event attendees. It's a problem in Atlanta and Miami. They will attend the marquee games only as season ticket holders. And MLB doesn't provide 81 marquee events a year. Doesn't help that they currently suck and nobody can name any players.

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(07-05-2016 01:35 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 01:26 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 10:47 AM)panama Wrote:  Having worked on Powers Ferry I have spent 90 minutes to Cobb Parkway. They are building a stadium in one if the most congested traffic areas of North America.

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And moving from a more congested area. I'll take 75 north over the connector any day of the week. I commute it every day. No contest.

The government and most of Atlanta disagree. But hey not my problem.

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Time will tell, of course, but I'm very optimistic that this move will be big win for the Braves in the long term.

(07-07-2016 08:35 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 12:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 11:18 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 03:48 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  @Panama: sorry I completely misread your earlier comment. But yes, I agree the Cumberland-Galleria Braves will definitely be a "once a year" (or less) kind of a thing for 99% of fans.

MLB (and NFL, NBA) has made it clear for a long time that it no longer views itself as ordinary, middle-class family entertainment. For good or ill that's their choice and their sticking to it.

You're crazy if you really believe this. The stadium at Cumberland will be closer to the majority of fans that attend games and own season tickets. Why would it be a once a year type of thing?

Because those folks, like most Atlantans are event attendees. It's a problem in Atlanta and Miami. They will attend the marquee games only as season ticket holders. And MLB doesn't provide 81 marquee events a year. Doesn't help that they currently suck and nobody can name any players.

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Yea this logic makes no sense lol. This stadium will have much better amenities, be closer to the people that actually buy tickets to game AND not be in an area that people avoided simply because of the neighborhood that it's located. Would pretty much bet it has better attendance than Turner Field did.

(07-07-2016 08:43 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 08:35 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 12:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 11:18 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 03:48 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  @Panama: sorry I completely misread your earlier comment. But yes, I agree the Cumberland-Galleria Braves will definitely be a "once a year" (or less) kind of a thing for 99% of fans.

MLB (and NFL, NBA) has made it clear for a long time that it no longer views itself as ordinary, middle-class family entertainment. For good or ill that's their choice and their sticking to it.

You're crazy if you really believe this. The stadium at Cumberland will be closer to the majority of fans that attend games and own season tickets. Why would it be a once a year type of thing?

Because those folks, like most Atlantans are event attendees. It's a problem in Atlanta and Miami. They will attend the marquee games only as season ticket holders. And MLB doesn't provide 81 marquee events a year. Doesn't help that they currently suck and nobody can name any players.

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Yea this logic makes no sense lol. This stadium will have much better amenities, be closer to the people that actually buy tickets to game AND not be in an area that people avoided simply because of the neighborhood that it's located. Would pretty much bet it has better attendance than Turner Field did.

It will initially because of the novelty and the people who live 15 minutes away will buy up the season tickets. But Atlantans don't go to games of losing teams. That's just a fact. And the neighborhood was not why Braves attendance has sucked. Stadium(s) in the same locale were packed in the 90s. Fortunately they were smart enough this time to keep seating to 35k so it will not lol so bad when they have 20k. But seriously let's not pretend that Atlanta is Philly or NYC or some other city where professional baseball matters.

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(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

(07-07-2016 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Serious questions here,
I'm not at all on purpose with these questions.

But, with all the talk of the Braves leaving for a "better area", getting away from one of the worse traffic spots in the country, avoiding car break ins, wrong turns that leave you getting car jacked two blocks from the stadium etc....

Are we going to get these same issues with going to GAST games?
Or are they developing the surrounding areas?
Is Saturday traffic in that area as bad as week day? or Worse?
I go to a Braves game or two a year maybe, but don't have a real good feel on normal traffic through there each day of the week. I maybe drive through Atlanta a couple of other times a year.

I'm sure they have/will have the money for the purchase and or retro fit of the facility. But what about these problems with the location?

(07-07-2016 10:42 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Again...
It is leaving a more congested spot.
3 Atlanta Roads Make The Worst Bottlenecks in the Country

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

50 Worst Bottlenecks in America

(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:42 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Again...
It is leaving a more congested spot.
3 Atlanta Roads Make The Worst Bottlenecks in the Country

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

50 Worst Bottlenecks in America

I don't imagine it's a lot better at 75/285. That place is a mess, especially on 285.

(07-07-2016 12:01 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Then don't say it is worse than when it is not.

(07-07-2016 12:03 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:01 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Then don't say it is worse than when it is not.

Ok. My bad, man. It's REALLY bad up here at 75/285, not worse than the connector, and another point cited in the initial announcement to move was a lack of mass transit directly to the stadium, which they don't have either.

(07-07-2016 10:42 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Again...
It is leaving a more congested spot.
3 Atlanta Roads Make The Worst Bottlenecks in the Country

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

50 Worst Bottlenecks in America

(07-07-2016 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Serious questions here,
I'm not at all on purpose with these questions.

But, with all the talk of the Braves leaving for a "better area", getting away from one of the worse traffic spots in the country, avoiding car break ins, wrong turns that leave you getting car jacked two blocks from the stadium etc....

Are we going to get these same issues with going to GAST games?
Or are they developing the surrounding areas?
Is Saturday traffic in that area as bad as week day? or Worse?
I go to a Braves game or two a year maybe, but don't have a real good feel on normal traffic through there each day of the week. I maybe drive through Atlanta a couple of other times a year.

I'm sure they have/will have the money for the purchase and or retro fit of the facility. But what about these problems with the location?

panama ' Wrote:  1) the Ted is really at I-20 and Capitol. It's not like you're trying to get to Midtown and 10th. Only Pascual Perez has had any issues getting to the stadium.

2) You can take MARTA.

3) there are any number of surface streets you can take to get places in side the perimeter including the Ted.

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(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:42 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Again...
It is leaving a more congested spot.
3 Atlanta Roads Make The Worst Bottlenecks in the Country

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

50 Worst Bottlenecks in America

I don't imagine it's a lot better at 75/285. That place is a mess, especially on 285.

(07-08-2016 05:41 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:42 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:33 AM)Tuscon Wrote:  I live in the area right now. I'm two blocks from Turner Field. It's not as terrible a neighborhood as people make it out to be. The Braves had incentive to make it sound bad to get justification in moving. They're moving to an even worse traffic area where MARTA has already been voted down multiple times. And they say it's because of traffic and no direct MARTA connection.

Again...
It is leaving a more congested spot.
3 Atlanta Roads Make The Worst Bottlenecks in the Country

Quote:You don't need a scientific study to know traffic gets bad on the downtown connector, but turns out the stretch of road where I-75 and I-85 merge through downtown is ranked as one of the 30 worst bottlenecks in the nation by the American Highway Users Alliance. The downtown connector isn't the only Atlanta road on the list. Spaghetti Junction ranks as the No. 1 worst freight bottleneck in the entire country. I-285 at Georgia 400 is ranked one of the 50 worst bottlenecks.

50 Worst Bottlenecks in America

I don't imagine it's a lot better at 75/285. That place is a mess, especially on 285.

I know of no one who has or does work at Cumberland who would classify the traffic there as anything less than clusterrific.

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