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RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - Eagle's Cliff - 09-28-2015 08:46 AM

(09-28-2015 12:06 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(09-26-2015 06:15 AM)panama Wrote:  Hence the neighborhood distrust of city officials.
The distrust is entirely rational and justified, without any question. Still, it's a shame that the most positive and stabilizing plan to come along (for those neighborhoods) in our lifetime is having to bear the brunt of that skepticism/suspicion.

What a crock! It's not government or business's responsibility to prop up a neighborhood. If your house, neighborhood, or school has problems then look in the mirror for solutions. The big cities have a freaking "program" or "urban development strategy" and NEVER address the real problem which is the cultural bankruptcy of residents.

The Ted development should only consider what will bring the most revenue for the city with the least cost to tax payers.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - gsu95 - 09-28-2015 08:52 AM

(09-28-2015 08:46 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 12:06 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(09-26-2015 06:15 AM)panama Wrote:  Hence the neighborhood distrust of city officials.
The distrust is entirely rational and justified, without any question. Still, it's a shame that the most positive and stabilizing plan to come along (for those neighborhoods) in our lifetime is having to bear the brunt of that skepticism/suspicion.

What a crock! It's not government or business's responsibility to prop up a neighborhood. If your house, neighborhood, or school has problems then look in the mirror for solutions. The big cities have a freaking "program" or "urban development strategy" and NEVER address the real problem which is the cultural bankruptcy of residents.

The Ted development should only consider what will bring the most revenue for the city with the least cost to tax payers.



And yet I know plenty of elected 'conservative' officials (by trade bankers, developers and the like) in a small rural county not far from Chatham who successful lobbied for millions of $$ in federal funding for an interchange on I-95 in order to spur residential and commercial growth in a certain area that will primarily benefit those same folks.

Not sure I can agree that the Ted Development should only consider revenue versus cost. There may be other stipulations. After all, a strip joint might bring in more revenue than a library and cost less, but one might argue a library is the better project.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - panama - 09-28-2015 09:11 AM

(09-28-2015 08:46 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 12:06 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(09-26-2015 06:15 AM)panama Wrote:  Hence the neighborhood distrust of city officials.
The distrust is entirely rational and justified, without any question. Still, it's a shame that the most positive and stabilizing plan to come along (for those neighborhoods) in our lifetime is having to bear the brunt of that skepticism/suspicion.

What a crock! It's not government or business's responsibility to prop up a neighborhood. If your house, neighborhood, or school has problems then look in the mirror for solutions. The big cities have a freaking "program" or "urban development strategy" and NEVER address the real problem which is the cultural bankruptcy of residents.

The Ted development should only consider what will bring the most revenue for the city with the least cost to tax payers.

Ok, thanks for that. But you probably need to sit down now.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - soar#417 - 09-28-2015 09:15 AM

(09-28-2015 08:52 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 08:46 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 12:06 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(09-26-2015 06:15 AM)panama Wrote:  Hence the neighborhood distrust of city officials.
The distrust is entirely rational and justified, without any question. Still, it's a shame that the most positive and stabilizing plan to come along (for those neighborhoods) in our lifetime is having to bear the brunt of that skepticism/suspicion.

What a crock! It's not government or business's responsibility to prop up a neighborhood. If your house, neighborhood, or school has problems then look in the mirror for solutions. The big cities have a freaking "program" or "urban development strategy" and NEVER address the real problem which is the cultural bankruptcy of residents.

The Ted development should only consider what will bring the most revenue for the city with the least cost to tax payers.



And yet I know plenty of elected 'conservative' officials (by trade bankers, developers and the like) in a small rural county not far from Chatham who successful lobbied for millions of $$ in federal funding for an interchange on I-95 in order to spur residential and commercial growth in a certain area that will primarily benefit those same folks.

Not sure I can agree that the Ted Development should only consider revenue versus cost. There may be other stipulations. After all, a strip joint might bring in more revenue than a library and cost less, but one might argue a library is the better project.

^ wow I'm loving that last sentence and will steal that for future arguments


Re: RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - SBEagle - 09-28-2015 12:28 PM

(09-28-2015 06:51 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 05:47 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  
(09-28-2015 05:39 AM)panama Wrote:  It's amazing how much attention this property is drawing after Underground, Ft Mac and now the Civic Center sold without any studies or neighborhood interest to speak of.

IMHO, the way this property became avaiable (the Braves leaving) is what put this property on everyone's radar.

Absolutely zero difference between the Ted and the 3 other city owned properties becoming available. And again we are talking about local neighborhood interest in what goes there next. If any of them probably should have peaked more interest it's Ft. Mac.

There is a difference, it's called the Atlanta Braves. This site also hosted the Olympics. What has ever happened at underground to make national news beside rioting during freak nick.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - panama - 10-02-2015 01:17 PM

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/breaking-turner-field-bidding-process-begins/nnsnC/







RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - TheEagleWay - 10-02-2015 01:27 PM

Should be interesting to see the type of bids that come in.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - panama - 10-02-2015 01:45 PM

(10-02-2015 01:27 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Should be interesting to see the type of bids that come in.

I am guessing one serious one


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - Native Georgian - 10-10-2015 10:45 AM

I'll try to get the link but the Governor of Georgia (Nathan Deal, from Gainesville) just made some public comments that are very hostile to the idea of casino gambling in the state. His personal opposition has been known for a long time but now he's saying that he will actively lobby the members of the Ga. Legislature to make sure the whole casino idea doesn't get past the drawing board.

Nathan Deal has not impressed me as Governor these past 5 years, but I'm glad to see that he's on the right side of this issue.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - GSU Eagles - 10-10-2015 11:18 AM

(10-10-2015 10:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I'll try to get the link but the Governor of Georgia (Nathan Deal, from Gainesville) just made some public comments that are very hostile to the idea of casino gambling in the state. His personal opposition has been known for a long time but now he's saying that he will actively lobby the members of the Ga. Legislature to make sure the whole casino idea doesn't get past the drawing board.

Nathan Deal has not impressed me as Governor these past 5 years, but I'm glad to see that he's on the right side of this issue.

The Governor's opposition will only force the casino's to sweeten the bids to where it might be too good to turn down. Free college for all high school graduates or at least back to the old HOPE standard of 3.0 GPA?

If the casinos are serious they will begin to try and shift public sentiment by putting plans out publicly before Deal and Reed can ram through what they want.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - GSU Eagles - 10-10-2015 11:22 AM

(09-23-2015 05:01 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If the mayor is serious about a run for governor, he will stay away from the casinos

People used to say that about Sunday alcohol sales. Times are a changing fast especially in the big city where the voters are located.


Re: RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - SBEagle - 10-10-2015 11:44 AM

(10-10-2015 11:22 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 05:01 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If the mayor is serious about a run for governor, he will stay away from the casinos

People used to say that about Sunday alcohol sales. Times are a changing fast especially in the big city where the voters are located.

I agree times are changing but the alcohol Sunday sales took a long time to pass and I think (could be wrong) is still up to each county to decide. I think the casino vote is going to need support from Central and south ga to pass. Atlanta is big but not that big, they don't have all the voters as you insinuated. There are strong political factions in south ga.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - AlwaysSunny - 10-10-2015 12:03 PM

Georgia population 10 million
Atlanta Metro population 6 million

Yea, the majority of the votes will come from ATL


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - GSU Eagles - 10-10-2015 12:07 PM

(10-10-2015 11:44 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  
(10-10-2015 11:22 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 05:01 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If the mayor is serious about a run for governor, he will stay away from the casinos

People used to say that about Sunday alcohol sales. Times are a changing fast especially in the big city where the voters are located.

I agree times are changing but the alcohol Sunday sales took a long time to pass and I think (could be wrong) is still up to each county to decide. I think the casino vote is going to need support from Central and south ga to pass. Atlanta is big but not that big, they don't have all the voters as you insinuated. There are strong political factions in south ga.

That is why the casinos will have to offer some sort of free college to buy off the voters. This would be HOPE scholarship part II and if that he public would support a lottery in 1993, a casino would seem to face fewer obstacles. Of course Gov Miller supported the lottery so that is a difference.

At the end of the day that is what it will take. I have no idea if the revenue is there to make it worth it for the casinos. We shall soon see.


Re: RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - SBEagle - 10-10-2015 12:26 PM

(10-10-2015 12:03 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Georgia population 10 million
Atlanta Metro population 6 million

Yea, the majority of the votes will come from ATL

Atlanta is still in Georgia, there are a lot of Christians in those suburbs who will not want this. Of course, same goes for the rest of the state, not all will be against. It's not a lock because Atlanta is at 6 million.


Re: RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - SBEagle - 10-10-2015 12:27 PM

(10-10-2015 12:07 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(10-10-2015 11:44 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  
(10-10-2015 11:22 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 05:01 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If the mayor is serious about a run for governor, he will stay away from the casinos

People used to say that about Sunday alcohol sales. Times are a changing fast especially in the big city where the voters are located.

I agree times are changing but the alcohol Sunday sales took a long time to pass and I think (could be wrong) is still up to each county to decide. I think the casino vote is going to need support from Central and south ga to pass. Atlanta is big but not that big, they don't have all the voters as you insinuated. There are strong political factions in south ga.

That is why the casinos will have to offer some sort of free college to buy off the voters. This would be HOPE scholarship part II and if that he public would support a lottery in 1993, a casino would seem to face fewer obstacles. Of course Gov Miller supported the lottery so that is a difference.

At the end of the day that is what it will take. I have no idea if the revenue is there to make it worth it for the casinos. We shall soon see.

I agree with you. Hope could sway a lot of votes.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - Eagle's Cliff - 10-10-2015 12:42 PM

(10-10-2015 12:03 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Georgia population 10 million
Atlanta Metro population 6 million

Yea, the majority of the votes will come from ATL

The Atlanta Metro vote is not as polarized in favor of the Left as most cities. The burbs still have a healthy population of Georgians who identify with our native culture. The Yankee transplants, government dependents, and ignorant Leftists have made great strides in the last several years, but Georgia is a long way away from electing a Democrat governor again and the legislature won't be controlled by Leftist Dems for many years. Remember that half of that 6 million are from Ga and probably 60% of that group share value identity with the majority.

The potential growth of SE Ga with the port expansion may help shift some power from Atlanta back to real Georgians.


RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - glsjunior74 - 10-10-2015 01:04 PM

You mean those same "real Georgians " who hop on buses to Biloxi, Gulfport and Cherokee NC every weekend?


Re: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - StanMolsonMan - 10-10-2015 01:48 PM

Or got home from Vegas last week... thanks South Alabama.


Re: RE: Georgia State's plan for Turner Field challenged - SBEagle - 10-10-2015 02:19 PM

(10-10-2015 01:04 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  You mean those same "real Georgians " who hop on buses to Biloxi, Gulfport and Cherokee NC every weekend?

NIMBY