(09-23-2015 06:28 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  My question for panther fans is, What happens if this falls through? Many of you leave the impression this is what's going to build your program up to the statue you aspire. If it doesn't happen, what is plan B?

(09-23-2015 04:18 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 06:28 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  My question for panther fans is, What happens if this falls through? Many of you leave the impression this is what's going to build your program up to the statue you aspire. If it doesn't happen, what is plan B?

Here are my .02.

CBRE, who just finished working with the mayor on selling the Civic Center land, will represent the AFCRA on options for the Turner Field site. Now. Let's take a look at the demographics on what probably would be the trade area around Turner Field.

You can see the logos of the shops around the area. The dots represent national commercial RE centers. Bigger the dot. Bigger the center.

The demos in that red area:
Median Household Income: $39,231 (20% less than the national average)
Majority Household Income Range: < $15,000
Number of Vacant Households: 1,305 or 18.5%(Vacant Households for a trade area typically around 5-7%)
Number of Rented Households: 3,122 or 54.4%(Average trade area is 20-25%)

There isn't even 15,000 people who live in that area, and 72.9% of the households are either vacant or rented. Now, you can take my word for this or not, but I work in the retail industry. I can tell you those numbers are below the Target tier of demos, below the Wal-Mart tier of demos, and it is even below the rent to own tier of demos. I could not tell you what national retailer would be ready to move into there. If it was 2005, I could see Wal-Mart jumping in. CBRE would have to almost give the property away rent wise for someone to take a chance. The Turner Field Neighborhood Coalition(or whatever it is called) wants mixed use and open spaces. So you are not looking at an Atlantic Station type of influx of new income and population with high rises, etc. So those demos are largely going to stay the same. I just don't see retail going there without an influx of people.

Plan B... So feeling pretty confident about a competitor mixed use type development not happening after looking further in. The only real player I see in this would be a casino, and if you look at my earlier points I bring up a couple of pages back, it would be a stretch. IF Georgia votes for gambling, downtown will only get one casino, and IF a casino decided it had to have Turner Field, I think Georgia State would put on a full press for the gulch area. The city owns that too. The Panthers would commit to play football in the Blank dome. There are worse places to play, and they would use the upper level soccer configuration where the upper level gets blocked and isn't as cavernous. The gulch would fit a baseball field just fine. The gulch is a shorter walk from campus than to Turner. You'd now be across the street from Philips Arena. So work out a deal for the basketball team to play there while the Sports Arena gets overhauled for the permanent home of basketball. Add more dorms. After all, Mercedes Benz Stadium would be next door. With Underground sold and being overhauled, I think that would make a great plan B. Not the end of the world. This is my opinion... and you know what they say about those.

But... with that being said, Turner is Plan A, and I think has the best shot of happening of all of the plans for Turner.

(09-23-2015 04:02 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/thread-743134-page-10.html

Quote:Bottoms says the RFP will likely ask potential buyers to submit bids to purchase the property. However, she says the best financial package won't necessarily win approval of the AFCRA, which owns the property and is controlled by Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed. Bottoms is also a member of the Atlanta city council and a possible candidate for mayor in 2017.

Bottoms AFCRA will consider the desires of residents currently living in neighborhoods surrounding Turner Field, as well as the needs of the city and the financial benefits offered. Many residents have complained that the Georgia State plan, which converts Turner Field into a football stadium and builds an additional college baseball stadium, isn't neighborhood friendly.

Kimbery Jones of the Summerhill Organized Neighbors group says residents are excited that the RFP will "create interest in this property rather than just selling to the first person that comes along," she said, referring the GSU.

Bottoms says GSU will have to re-offer its proposal once the RFP is issued. "It's absolutely not a done deal. Georgia State will have to submit a bid just as anyone else would," Bottoms said.

(09-23-2015 05:01 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If the mayor is serious about a run for governor, he will stay away from the casinos

Quote:The Braves have submitted an itemized list of property that the team wants to take with it to Cobb County. The items include memorabilia, artwork, electronics, kitchen items and locker-room accessories. The team has agreed to leave behind things like foul poles and the giant center field scoreboard.

(09-25-2015 02:14 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Hey... they are leaving the scoreboard, and the LED ribbon boards, and the LED out of town scoreboard, and the jumbotron, and the interstate marquis, and the outfield walls, and the foul poles...

Quote:The Braves have submitted an itemized list of property that the team wants to take with it to Cobb County. The items include memorabilia, artwork, electronics, kitchen items and locker-room accessories. The team has agreed to leave behind things like foul poles and the giant center field scoreboard.

Splitting Up the Turner Field Contents

(09-26-2015 06:15 AM)panama Wrote:  Hence the neighborhood distrust of city officials.

(09-28-2015 05:39 AM)panama Wrote:  It's amazing how much attention this property is drawing after Underground, Ft Mac and now the Civic Center sold without any studies or neighborhood interest to speak of.

(09-28-2015 05:47 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 05:39 AM)panama Wrote:  It's amazing how much attention this property is drawing after Underground, Ft Mac and now the Civic Center sold without any studies or neighborhood interest to speak of.

IMHO, the way this property became avaiable (the Braves leaving) is what put this property on everyone's radar.