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[split from Coaching Carousel] BYU discussion not related to coaching moves - jaredf29 - 12-16-2015 10:17 PM
The state of BYU football isn't what it used to be. At navy, he could play for a championship and a nyd bowl; at BYU they'd have to go undefeated to do the latter which is unlikely.
RE: Coaching Carousel - stever20 - 12-16-2015 10:29 PM
I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
RE: Coaching Carousel - Wedge - 12-17-2015 01:03 AM
(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
RE: Coaching Carousel - ManleyPointer - 12-17-2015 01:29 AM
That stinks. I've seen rumors that Niumatalolo was the driving force behind Navy joining the American. Is it possible he wanted BYU to do the same? He definitely dug in his heels on the triple option:
https://twitter.com/espn960sports/status/677263697530773504
(12-17-2015 12:04 AM)Realignment Wrote: BYU should hire Lance Anderson, and put McNeill as the DC. Pretty much keep the same staff at BYU and have that leader in Anderson as the coach. Don't move from the power football they like to play and independence is the best option for them right now until they get a call from the Big 12 or possibly the American.
Our online fans seem to want Kalani Sitake. Great dude & it would be a relief to see him come home. But I'm surprised Lance Anderson isn't getting more love. The guy was Harbaugh's recruiting coordinator when he was rebuilding Stanford.
BTW-Ruffin McNeill? Would love to have him but Bronco just made him his assistant head coach at UVA.
RE: Coaching Carousel - Wolfman - 12-17-2015 08:23 AM
(12-17-2015 01:03 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
RE: Coaching Carousel - Hokie4Skins - 12-17-2015 08:46 AM
Is it too late for TAMU to fire Kevin Sumlin? Something's amiss down there...
RE: Coaching Carousel - MplsBison - 12-17-2015 09:04 AM
(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
RE: Coaching Carousel - MplsBison - 12-17-2015 09:05 AM
(12-17-2015 01:29 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote: That stinks. I've seen rumors that Niumatalolo was the driving force behind Navy joining the American. Is it possible he wanted BYU to do the same? He definitely dug in his heels on the triple option:
https://twitter.com/espn960sports/status/677263697530773504
(12-17-2015 12:04 AM)Realignment Wrote: BYU should hire Lance Anderson, and put McNeill as the DC. Pretty much keep the same staff at BYU and have that leader in Anderson as the coach. Don't move from the power football they like to play and independence is the best option for them right now until they get a call from the Big 12 or possibly the American.
Our online fans seem to want Kalani Sitake. Great dude & it would be a relief to see him come home. But I'm surprised Lance Anderson isn't getting more love. The guy was Harbaugh's recruiting coordinator when he was rebuilding Stanford.
BTW-Ruffin McNeill? Would love to have him but Bronco just made him his assistant head coach at UVA.
OK, then now I'm rooting for Kalani Sitaka to come to BYU and build a Polynesian Warrior rugby team there.
Someone take my idea and run with it!
RE: Coaching Carousel - stever20 - 12-17-2015 09:59 AM
(12-17-2015 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
One thing though- Navy didn't ever schedule like what BYU did.
I think this past September changed Bronco's mind quickly, and put a red flag in future coaches looking at BYU.
look at the 2017 schedule:
09/02 - LSU (at Houston, TX)
09/09 - Utah
09/16 - Wisconsin
09/29 - at Utah State
10/07 - Boise State
10/14 - at Mississippi State
10/21 - at East Carolina
who does that? #1 team in the country wouldn't come out of that unscathed.
RE: Coaching Carousel - MplsBison - 12-17-2015 10:18 AM
(12-17-2015 09:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
One thing though- Navy didn't ever schedule like what BYU did.
I think this past September changed Bronco's mind quickly, and put a red flag in future coaches looking at BYU.
look at the 2017 schedule:
09/02 - LSU (at Houston, TX)
09/09 - Utah
09/16 - Wisconsin
09/29 - at Utah State
10/07 - Boise State
10/14 - at Mississippi State
10/21 - at East Carolina
who does that? #1 team in the country wouldn't come out of that unscathed.
I see what you mean. Fair enough.
Obviously BYU is trying to cement its recent designation as a P5 team.
(I'm just teasing you, don't start another tirade)
RE: Coaching Carousel - Wedge - 12-17-2015 10:41 AM
(12-17-2015 08:23 AM)Wolfman Wrote:(12-17-2015 01:03 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
I didn't mean BYU has a more limited pool than the service academies. But it's a lot more limited than that of BYU's opponents.
RE: Coaching Carousel - ken d - 12-17-2015 11:26 AM
(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-17-2015 08:23 AM)Wolfman Wrote:(12-17-2015 01:03 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
I didn't mean BYU has a more limited pool than the service academies. But it's a lot more limited than that of BYU's opponents.
"Training and Nutrition". I like that. Sounds so much more socially acceptable than the negatively charged phrase "performance enhancing drugs".
RE: Coaching Carousel - MplsBison - 12-17-2015 11:40 AM
(12-17-2015 11:26 AM)ken d Wrote:(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-17-2015 08:23 AM)Wolfman Wrote:(12-17-2015 01:03 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
I didn't mean BYU has a more limited pool than the service academies. But it's a lot more limited than that of BYU's opponents.
"Training and Nutrition". I like that. Sounds so much more socially acceptable than the negatively charged phrase "performance enhancing drugs".
PEDs weren't being used in the 80s?
RE: Coaching Carousel - ken d - 12-17-2015 12:20 PM
(12-17-2015 11:40 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-17-2015 11:26 AM)ken d Wrote:(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-17-2015 08:23 AM)Wolfman Wrote:(12-17-2015 01:03 AM)Wedge Wrote: BYU also has a more limited recruiting pool. Until about the late 1980s, BYU was able to compensate because, due to the two-year missions, they had football players two years older on average than most of their competitors. Today, simply being 23 years old instead of 21 isn't the same advantage for a football lineman that it was in 1980 because the best football players start in high school or earlier with "training and nutrition" (heh) to get bigger and stronger at a younger age.
I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
I didn't mean BYU has a more limited pool than the service academies. But it's a lot more limited than that of BYU's opponents.
"Training and Nutrition". I like that. Sounds so much more socially acceptable than the negatively charged phrase "performance enhancing drugs".
PEDs weren't being used in the 80s?
They certainly were widely used at the college and pro level. I don't think their use at the high school level was as widespread as it is today.
RE: Coaching Carousel - goofus - 12-17-2015 12:52 PM
(12-17-2015 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
One thing though- Navy didn't ever schedule like what BYU did.
I think this past September changed Bronco's mind quickly, and put a red flag in future coaches looking at BYU.
look at the 2017 schedule:
09/02 - LSU (at Houston, TX)
09/09 - Utah
09/16 - Wisconsin
09/29 - at Utah State
10/07 - Boise State
10/14 - at Mississippi State
10/21 - at East Carolina
who does that? #1 team in the country wouldn't come out of that unscathed.
I see what you mean. Fair enough.
Obviously BYU is trying to cement its recent designation as a P5 team.
(I'm just teasing you, don't start another tirade)
So i am guessing the main issue is how front-loaded the schedule is, not the actual teams on the schedule, especially if they were spread out more.
It is probably time for Utah and BYU to kiss and make up and go back to playing on the last werkend before the CCG. It should work out with the PAC-12 schedule because either USC or Standford are always playing ND the last weekend. Just set it up so that Colorado either plays UCLA or Cal on the last weekend.
RE: Coaching Carousel - stever20 - 12-17-2015 12:53 PM
(12-17-2015 12:52 PM)goofus Wrote:(12-17-2015 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
One thing though- Navy didn't ever schedule like what BYU did.
I think this past September changed Bronco's mind quickly, and put a red flag in future coaches looking at BYU.
look at the 2017 schedule:
09/02 - LSU (at Houston, TX)
09/09 - Utah
09/16 - Wisconsin
09/29 - at Utah State
10/07 - Boise State
10/14 - at Mississippi State
10/21 - at East Carolina
who does that? #1 team in the country wouldn't come out of that unscathed.
I see what you mean. Fair enough.
Obviously BYU is trying to cement its recent designation as a P5 team.
(I'm just teasing you, don't start another tirade)
So i am guessing the main issue is how front-loaded the schedule is, not the actual teams on the schedule, especially if they were spread out more.
It is probably time for Utah and BYU to kiss and make up and go back to playing on the last werkend before the CCG. It should work out with the PAC-12 schedule because either USC or Standford are always playing ND the last weekend. Just set it up so that Colorado either plays UCLA or Cal on the last weekend.
I would think so. by the time they got to Michigan this year, they were dead. And, it's just going to get worse. I know if I were a coach, I wouldn't want it.
RE: Coaching Carousel - Wedge - 12-17-2015 01:06 PM
(12-17-2015 12:52 PM)goofus Wrote:(12-17-2015 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:(12-17-2015 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-16-2015 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote: I think a huge thing that no coach wants is the brutal September schedules that BYU will face being indy.
The point is still a good one ... but Ken had plenty of experience being HC at Navy when it was an Independent ...
One thing though- Navy didn't ever schedule like what BYU did.
I think this past September changed Bronco's mind quickly, and put a red flag in future coaches looking at BYU.
look at the 2017 schedule:
09/02 - LSU (at Houston, TX)
09/09 - Utah
09/16 - Wisconsin
09/29 - at Utah State
10/07 - Boise State
10/14 - at Mississippi State
10/21 - at East Carolina
who does that? #1 team in the country wouldn't come out of that unscathed.
I see what you mean. Fair enough.
Obviously BYU is trying to cement its recent designation as a P5 team.
(I'm just teasing you, don't start another tirade)
So i am guessing the main issue is how front-loaded the schedule is, not the actual teams on the schedule, especially if they were spread out more.
It is probably time for Utah and BYU to kiss and make up and go back to playing on the last werkend before the CCG. It should work out with the PAC-12 schedule because either USC or Standford are always playing ND the last weekend. Just set it up so that Colorado either plays UCLA or Cal on the last weekend.
We are off the coaching topic now (and maybe we could split this), but...
Cal is playing UCLA on the Saturday after Thanksgiving in 2016. I'd like to see that every year.
BYU has Thanksgiving-weekend games lined up for the next several years. There are four years coming up in which they will play either Stanford or USC that weekend (whichever isn't hosting ND that year). It's likely that Cal-UCLA will be on that weekend in at least those seasons.
RE: Coaching Carousel - MplsBison - 12-17-2015 02:30 PM
(12-17-2015 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:(12-17-2015 11:40 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(12-17-2015 11:26 AM)ken d Wrote:(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:(12-17-2015 08:23 AM)Wolfman Wrote: I'm not sure about that. With Navy, not only do you have to attend school for 4 years but you have to serve an additional 4 years. You could argue that all Navy athletes are on scholarship but I doubt many of those athletes would be get scholarships at p5 schools.
I didn't mean BYU has a more limited pool than the service academies. But it's a lot more limited than that of BYU's opponents.
"Training and Nutrition". I like that. Sounds so much more socially acceptable than the negatively charged phrase "performance enhancing drugs".
PEDs weren't being used in the 80s?
They certainly were widely used at the college and pro level. I don't think their use at the high school level was as widespread as it is today.
Without reading any research or personal experiences, that have been published, I'm going to assume that high school PED use correlates almost exactly with its use in college.
So it was a big thing decades ago, and not as much now.
RE: Coaching Carousel - DavidSt - 12-17-2015 05:58 PM
Texas A&M's coach is really on fire. Kevin Sumlin could be fire. Players are leaving the program.
Kyle Allen is leaving.
Kyler Murray is transferring as will.
Losing both QBs hurts the program. Both players are gone before the Music City Bowl.
There are reports that Sumlin could be fired as well. Losing players like this in a span of a week seems there is some very hot fire.
RE: [split from Coaching Carousel] BYU discussion not related to coaching moves - DavidSt - 12-19-2015 07:43 PM
Okay. How did my post that has nothing to do with BYU, but about Texas A&M's Sumlin is really on the hot seat be part of this?