(12-18-2015 02:22 PM)armour248 Wrote:  This topic has been beaten to death. Hare, Maddie, Graham and Santa were all hurt. That is how you end up with a 5th string QB starting. Root and McIntosh transferred which also didn't help but it happens. Honestly the staff should get more credit considering Graham played incredibly well for a RS Freshman and Fiedler looked half decent for a guy who probably saw zero snaps in practice during the year. As far as I can tell the guy from Georgia had one offer and either gray shirted or didn't qualify at Memphis...his resume really isn't any different than the guys we have now.

(12-18-2015 02:15 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  So is the fact that we have to start a walk on QB in the MACC just a string of bad luck with injuries? or is it a reflection on kids who committed and came or almost came here and backed out? or does it show our ineptitude with QB recruiting since the Harnish/Lynch years?

Honestly I think its a combination of all three. He were fortunate to have Harnish/Lynch have minor injuries and were healthy. Who would have been their backups?

I would say one thing, given the importance of the QB position in our offense, especially in the MAC, and our continued success (MACCs and Bowls), my expectation from Carey is he should have been able to land pretty decent rated QB's by now and beat out other schools for them on a consistent basis. To date really haven't seen it happen, but perhaps our latest commit from Georgia will have something to say on that.

(12-19-2015 10:34 AM)Djud Wrote:  C'mon...the coaches deserve some credit for how they dealt with an incredibly difficult situation. The stable of QB's post Lynch was full. Macintosh (the likely choice), Hare, Maddie (via transfer) and Root (highly rated). With the deck fairly stacked they get Graham (not highly recruited but from a solid HS program) who many felt would be a career backup. Hare earns the starting spot by performing at an unprecedented level for a Sophmore QB. Hare's year last season was so good It likely forced Mac and Root to transfer. So think back to this time last year; the staff has Hare around for two more years, Maddie as a solid back-up, Graham a true freshman, Santa, an early commit who BTW was recruited by a few Big 10 teams, and Mac who status was unknown. Even though the position seemed to be set, they still went after the Wisconsin kid hard. After they lose the Ingold to UW, they fill the roster with a couple of impressive walk-ons (Fiedler and Rotherman)...game on. Entering the summer you have your 6 QB's Hare, Maddie, Santa, Graham, Fiedler, Rothermam. Then the crazy stuff happens. Santa hurts his elbow (assume Tommy John?)...out; before the first game Maddie hurts his back...out; now your 4th becomes your 2; things still are looking okay with a healthy Hare, but he blows an Achilles...out. All 3 require surgery. Now your in emergency mode with 4&5 becoming 1&2. Graham steps up, does his job, and as fate would have it, he goes down with an injury. Hare and Maadie are out for the year, Santa comes back into the mix likely before he is ready, and Graham is unable to play. In spite of this perfect storm, the team goes to the MAC Champiosip game and another bowl game. How the hell can the coaches/the program be given nothing but praise for dealing with this?

(12-19-2015 07:02 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:34 AM)Djud Wrote:  C'mon...the coaches deserve some credit for how they dealt with an incredibly difficult situation. The stable of QB's post Lynch was full. Macintosh (the likely choice), Hare, Maddie (via transfer) and Root (highly rated). With the deck fairly stacked they get Graham (not highly recruited but from a solid HS program) who many felt would be a career backup. Hare earns the starting spot by performing at an unprecedented level for a Sophmore QB. Hare's year last season was so good It likely forced Mac and Root to transfer. So think back to this time last year; the staff has Hare around for two more years, Maddie as a solid back-up, Graham a true freshman, Santa, an early commit who BTW was recruited by a few Big 10 teams, and Mac who status was unknown. Even though the position seemed to be set, they still went after the Wisconsin kid hard. After they lose the Ingold to UW, they fill the roster with a couple of impressive walk-ons (Fiedler and Rotherman)...game on. Entering the summer you have your 6 QB's Hare, Maddie, Santa, Graham, Fiedler, Rothermam. Then the crazy stuff happens. Santa hurts his elbow (assume Tommy John?)...out; before the first game Maddie hurts his back...out; now your 4th becomes your 2; things still are looking okay with a healthy Hare, but he blows an Achilles...out. All 3 require surgery. Now your in emergency mode with 4&5 becoming 1&2. Graham steps up, does his job, and as fate would have it, he goes down with an injury. Hare and Maadie are out for the year, Santa comes back into the mix likely before he is ready, and Graham is unable to play. In spite of this perfect storm, the team goes to the MAC Champiosip game and another bowl game. How the hell can the coaches/the program be given nothing but praise for dealing with this?

Someone gets it.

(12-19-2015 07:06 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:02 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:34 AM)Djud Wrote:  C'mon...the coaches deserve some credit for how they dealt with an incredibly difficult situation. The stable of QB's post Lynch was full. Macintosh (the likely choice), Hare, Maddie (via transfer) and Root (highly rated). With the deck fairly stacked they get Graham (not highly recruited but from a solid HS program) who many felt would be a career backup. Hare earns the starting spot by performing at an unprecedented level for a Sophmore QB. Hare's year last season was so good It likely forced Mac and Root to transfer. So think back to this time last year; the staff has Hare around for two more years, Maddie as a solid back-up, Graham a true freshman, Santa, an early commit who BTW was recruited by a few Big 10 teams, and Mac who status was unknown. Even though the position seemed to be set, they still went after the Wisconsin kid hard. After they lose the Ingold to UW, they fill the roster with a couple of impressive walk-ons (Fiedler and Rotherman)...game on. Entering the summer you have your 6 QB's Hare, Maddie, Santa, Graham, Fiedler, Rothermam. Then the crazy stuff happens. Santa hurts his elbow (assume Tommy John?)...out; before the first game Maddie hurts his back...out; now your 4th becomes your 2; things still are looking okay with a healthy Hare, but he blows an Achilles...out. All 3 require surgery. Now your in emergency mode with 4&5 becoming 1&2. Graham steps up, does his job, and as fate would have it, he goes down with an injury. Hare and Maadie are out for the year, Santa comes back into the mix likely before he is ready, and Graham is unable to play. In spite of this perfect storm, the team goes to the MAC Champiosip game and another bowl game. How the hell can the coaches/the program be given nothing but praise for dealing with this?

Someone gets it.

Indeed.

This might be the worst Thread topic for 2015. And that's saying something.

(12-19-2015 07:09 PM)zdsmith Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:06 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:02 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:34 AM)Djud Wrote:  C'mon...the coaches deserve some credit for how they dealt with an incredibly difficult situation. The stable of QB's post Lynch was full. Macintosh (the likely choice), Hare, Maddie (via transfer) and Root (highly rated). With the deck fairly stacked they get Graham (not highly recruited but from a solid HS program) who many felt would be a career backup. Hare earns the starting spot by performing at an unprecedented level for a Sophmore QB. Hare's year last season was so good It likely forced Mac and Root to transfer. So think back to this time last year; the staff has Hare around for two more years, Maddie as a solid back-up, Graham a true freshman, Santa, an early commit who BTW was recruited by a few Big 10 teams, and Mac who status was unknown. Even though the position seemed to be set, they still went after the Wisconsin kid hard. After they lose the Ingold to UW, they fill the roster with a couple of impressive walk-ons (Fiedler and Rotherman)...game on. Entering the summer you have your 6 QB's Hare, Maddie, Santa, Graham, Fiedler, Rothermam. Then the crazy stuff happens. Santa hurts his elbow (assume Tommy John?)...out; before the first game Maddie hurts his back...out; now your 4th becomes your 2; things still are looking okay with a healthy Hare, but he blows an Achilles...out. All 3 require surgery. Now your in emergency mode with 4&5 becoming 1&2. Graham steps up, does his job, and as fate would have it, he goes down with an injury. Hare and Maadie are out for the year, Santa comes back into the mix likely before he is ready, and Graham is unable to play. In spite of this perfect storm, the team goes to the MAC Champiosip game and another bowl game. How the hell can the coaches/the program be given nothing but praise for dealing with this?

Someone gets it.

Indeed.

This might be the worst Thread topic for 2015. And that's saying something.

#PJ2016

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)huskie61032 Wrote:  i get why all this happened, very bad luck.

but we need to stop running so many qb draws and qb powers. - for the health of our fragile, goofy-running, young qbs and for the future of our offense.

(12-20-2015 03:27 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)huskie61032 Wrote:  i get why all this happened, very bad luck.

but we need to stop running so many qb draws and qb powers. - for the health of our fragile, goofy-running, young qbs and for the future of our offense.

Perhaps, but the Hare injury was non-contact, and the Graham injury was on a pass play where a RB completely missed his assignment and he was hit hard on a sack.

(12-20-2015 03:34 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 03:27 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)huskie61032 Wrote:  i get why all this happened, very bad luck.

but we need to stop running so many qb draws and qb powers. - for the health of our fragile, goofy-running, young qbs and for the future of our offense.

Perhaps, but the Hare injury was non-contact, and the Graham injury was on a pass play where a RB completely missed his assignment and he was hit hard on a sack.

Play selection had nothing to do with the injuries.

As you stated, Hare was hurt on a non-contact play, Graham got hurt on a blown pass protection, and Maddie & Santa got hurt in practice.

Blaming the coaching staff for injuries that are out of their control is pretty ignorant. If the guy's obviously concussed and they send him back out into the game, ala Brady Hoke at Michigan, then yeah, they're dumb, but if it happens on a play like the ones Hare & Graham got hurt on, no coaching staff in the country is going to be able to prevent that from happening.

I don't recall one person ever blaming Novak & co for what happened in '07 when it felt like half the team got hurt.

(12-20-2015 04:22 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 03:34 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 03:27 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)huskie61032 Wrote:  i get why all this happened, very bad luck.

but we need to stop running so many qb draws and qb powers. - for the health of our fragile, goofy-running, young qbs and for the future of our offense.

Perhaps, but the Hare injury was non-contact, and the Graham injury was on a pass play where a RB completely missed his assignment and he was hit hard on a sack.

Play selection had nothing to do with the injuries.

As you stated, Hare was hurt on a non-contact play, Graham got hurt on a blown pass protection, and Maddie & Santa got hurt in practice.

Blaming the coaching staff for injuries that are out of their control is pretty ignorant. If the guy's obviously concussed and they send him back out into the game, ala Brady Hoke at Michigan, then yeah, they're dumb, but if it happens on a play like the ones Hare & Graham got hurt on, no coaching staff in the country is going to be able to prevent that from happening.

I don't recall one person ever blaming Novak & co for what happened in '07 when it felt like half the team got hurt.

Well Novak is a walking God, remember?

(12-20-2015 09:00 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  NIU QBs Anthony Maddie and Drew Hare look on while Ryan Graham does a post-practice interview.

For some reason there is no link to the pic but it's rather funny.

(12-19-2015 10:34 AM)Djud Wrote:  C'mon...the coaches deserve some credit for how they dealt with an incredibly difficult situation. The stable of QB's post Lynch was full. Macintosh (the likely choice), Hare, Maddie (via transfer) and Root (highly rated). With the deck fairly stacked they get Graham (not highly recruited but from a solid HS program) who many felt would be a career backup. Hare earns the starting spot by performing at an unprecedented level for a Sophmore QB. Hare's year last season was so good It likely forced Mac and Root to transfer. So think back to this time last year; the staff has Hare around for two more years, Maddie as a solid back-up, Graham a true freshman, Santa, an early commit who BTW was recruited by a few Big 10 teams, and Mac who status was unknown. Even though the position seemed to be set, they still went after the Wisconsin kid hard. After they lose the Ingold to UW, they fill the roster with a couple of impressive walk-ons (Fiedler and Rotherman)...game on. Entering the summer you have your 6 QB's Hare, Maddie, Santa, Graham, Fiedler, Rothermam. Then the crazy stuff happens. Santa hurts his elbow (assume Tommy John?)...out; before the first game Maddie hurts his back...out; now your 4th becomes your 2; things still are looking okay with a healthy Hare, but he blows an Achilles...out. All 3 require surgery. Now your in emergency mode with 4&5 becoming 1&2. Graham steps up, does his job, and as fate would have it, he goes down with an injury. Hare and Maadie are out for the year, Santa comes back into the mix likely before he is ready, and Graham is unable to play. In spite of this perfect storm, the team goes to the MAC Champiosip game and another bowl game. How the hell can the coaches/the program be given nothing but praise for dealing with this?