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Big 12 requires P5 game - bullet - 12-08-2015 12:56 PM
Big 12 requires 1 ooc P5. Doesn't mention BYU.
http://newsok.com/big-12-conference-announces-football-non-conference-scheduling-requirement/article/5465501
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Nebraskafan - 12-08-2015 12:59 PM
At least they are requiring a P5 game each season. Now if they had any balls they would say no to FCS games outside of special cases.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Pony94 - 12-08-2015 01:00 PM
@ChuckCarltonDMN 18m18 minutes ago
Among Big 12 teams this season, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Kansas State were the only members not to play power 5 schools in non-conference.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - EerMeNow - 12-08-2015 01:02 PM
(12-08-2015 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote: Big 12 requires 1 ooc P5. Doesn't mention BYU.
http://newsok.com/big-12-conference-announces-football-non-conference-scheduling-requirement/article/5465501
Art Briles = not pleased.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - bullet - 12-08-2015 01:02 PM
So:
Big 10 starting next year-9 conference games, 1 P5 ooc, no FCS
Big 12 starting 2017-9 conference games, 1 P5 ooc
Pac 12 -9 conference games
ACC 8 conference games, 1 P5 ooc + 5 teams schedule ND
SEC 8 conference games, 1 P5 ooc
Big 10, ACC and SEC consider Notre Dame and BYU for the purposes of their P5 requirement.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Pony94 - 12-08-2015 01:04 PM
(12-08-2015 01:02 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:(12-08-2015 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote: Big 12 requires 1 ooc P5. Doesn't mention BYU.
http://newsok.com/big-12-conference-announces-football-non-conference-scheduling-requirement/article/5465501
Art Briles = not pleased.
Current contracts don't apply so they can still beat us
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - BullsFanInTX - 12-08-2015 01:06 PM
Whatever.
But I find it funny that there is this magical line where everybody on one side of it is good, and everybody on the other side of it is bad. The reality of it is, that the upper so called G5 teams are always better than the lower tier and sometimes mid tier so called P5 teams. Every year.
Give you an example, this year, Houston beat Vanderbilt 34-0. A demolition. Yet, by this logic, playing Vanderbilt is more valuable than playing Houston. Utter nonsense. I realize they are trying to beef up schedules, but drawing arbitrary lines that have nothing to do with the actual strength of the team/program are silly.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - TodgeRodge - 12-08-2015 01:15 PM
(12-08-2015 12:59 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote: At least they are requiring a P5 game each season. Now if they had any balls they would say no to FCS games outside of special cases.
yea everyone should nut up like kNebraska
2004 western Illinois
2005 Maine
2006 Nicholls State
2010 South Dakota State
2011 Chattanooga
2012 Idaho State
2013 South Dakota State
2014 McNeese State
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Wedge - 12-08-2015 01:16 PM
(12-08-2015 01:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: Whatever.
But I find it funny that there is this magical line where everybody on one side of it is good, and everybody on the other side of it is bad. The reality of it is, that the upper so called G5 teams are always better than the lower tier and sometimes mid tier so called P5 teams. Every year.
Give you an example, this year, Houston beat Vanderbilt 34-0. A demolition. Yet, by this logic, playing Vanderbilt is more valuable than playing Houston. Utter nonsense. I realize they are trying to beef up schedules, but drawing arbitrary lines that have nothing to do with the actual strength of the team/program are silly.
These "rules" are not about comparing the very best non-P5 teams to the very worst P5 teams.
The rules are there for those coaches, and there are many in every sport, who will choose the easiest path possible if they can. If they get to make their schedule, and they're picking a non-P5 opponent, they're going to pick what they think is an easy game, and if they pick a P5 opponent, they're going to pick an easy one among that group, too. So, for those coaches who tend toward the easy path, the "beefing up" in the schedule is not replacing a team like 2015 Houston with 2015 Vanderbilt, it's replacing a team like 2015 North Texas with 2015 Vanderbilt.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Nebraskafan - 12-08-2015 01:17 PM
When you allow teams no need to schedule a P5 team, there are some schools that will schedule wins on purpose. Baylor does exactly that and they even admitted to it.
The next step is to get the SEC to stop scheduling their annual Nov. bye week against FCS teams.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Nebraskafan - 12-08-2015 01:19 PM
(12-08-2015 01:15 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:(12-08-2015 12:59 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote: At least they are requiring a P5 game each season. Now if they had any balls they would say no to FCS games outside of special cases.
yea everyone should nut up like kNebraska
2004 western Illinois
2005 Maine
2006 Nicholls State
2010 South Dakota State
2011 Chattanooga
2012 Idaho State
2013 South Dakota State
2014 McNeese State
Yeah, we sure enjoyed playing against crap teams. It was so much fun I tell yeah. We loved it so much we were trying to knock the door down at the AD office to schedule more of them.
Next time don't post when you are drunk.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - stever20 - 12-08-2015 01:20 PM
no difference playing FCS in November vs playing FCS in September.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - TodgeRodge - 12-08-2015 01:23 PM
(12-08-2015 01:19 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(12-08-2015 01:15 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:(12-08-2015 12:59 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote: At least they are requiring a P5 game each season. Now if they had any balls they would say no to FCS games outside of special cases.
yea everyone should nut up like kNebraska
2004 western Illinois
2005 Maine
2006 Nicholls State
2010 South Dakota State
2011 Chattanooga
2012 Idaho State
2013 South Dakota State
2014 McNeese State
Yeah, we sure enjoyed playing against crap teams. It was so much fun I tell yeah. We loved it so much we were trying to knock the door down at the AD office to schedule more of them.
Next time don't post when you are drunk.
you liked it enough to do it 8 out of 11 years.....yea it was me that was "drunk" for calling out a program and a conference for playing D1-AA teams while ignoring the fact that kNebraska (the K is for Knowledge) scheduled D1-AA teams nearly 80% of the time over the last few years
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - JRsec - 12-08-2015 01:27 PM
(12-08-2015 01:20 PM)stever20 Wrote: no difference playing FCS in November vs playing FCS in September.
True. And these conciliatory gestures to the desires of the Networks will be bartered 1 step at a time to maximize any increase they can get out of it. It has nothing to do with anything other than the order in which each conference has to renegotiate a contract. Once realignment is over it will be all the conferences have left to trade for bumps in pay. Therefore they aren't giving a single one away for free.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Nebraskafan - 12-08-2015 01:27 PM
B1G fans hated playing FCS games. That is why the B1G had the balls to eliminate such games. SEC likes to use it as a bye week in Nov. when other conference are playing against other P5 teams.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - CliftonAve - 12-08-2015 01:31 PM
I am guessing the AD's at Wake Forest, Vandy and Purdue are fielding lots of calls from Big 12 country today.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - Wedge - 12-08-2015 01:32 PM
(12-08-2015 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote: Big 12 requires 1 ooc P5. Doesn't mention BYU.
http://newsok.com/big-12-conference-announces-football-non-conference-scheduling-requirement/article/5465501
Big 12 will count both Army and BYU as "P5" opponents.
Quote:Brett McMurphy
@McMurphyESPN
Like B1G & SEC, games vs. BYU & Army will count toward Big 12’s requirement of 1 non-league Power 5 opponent. ACC counts BYU, but not Army
9:25 AM - 8 Dec 2015
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - TerryD - 12-08-2015 01:33 PM
Why should games against another classification entirely (FCS) count at all?
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - JRsec - 12-08-2015 02:07 PM
(12-08-2015 01:33 PM)TerryD Wrote: Why should games against another classification entirely (FCS) count at all?
They shouldn't. But the rationale that led to these was that if you are going to schedule an easy game (which certainly the Big 10, ACC, Big 12 and SEC all do) then maybe you could schedule a pay day for an instate small school (Jacksonville State) as easily as you can against a very small Sunbelt school.
In reality Terry there isn't much difference between the two. What difference does playing Middle Tennessee versus Jacksonville State really make to a Tennessee or Auburn?
In the Big 10 it was forever the MAC until recently. Ohio State played Hawaii, Northern Illinois, and Western Michigan. Alabama scheduled Middle Tennessee, Lousiana Monroe and Charleston Southern. Charleston Southern might have been the better of the three this year and yet they were FCS.
These deals make the A.D.'s jobs at the larger schools feel a bit more secure, and they help cover the athletic budgets of the smaller schools. That's not a justification, just reality.
Personally I'm all about 12 P5 games. I think we will eventually get there, but contracts will be renegotiated one concession at a time to milk the revenue. If we move to a promised 8 SEC games and one P5 OOC this year, then the next year we will want more money to drop the FCS. Then it will be 9 conference games and 1 P5 OOC and then more P5 OOC, and so on and so forth. And I expect all of these conferences to do the same.
But watch, when the FCS schools are dropped altogether, and the smaller G5 are discouraged, they will scream bloody murder because they need these games to make budget.
RE: Big 12 requires P5 game - MWC Tex - 12-08-2015 02:09 PM
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 14m14 minutes ago
Couple of Big 12 ADs said BYU & Army would count toward Big 12’s non-league Power 5 requirement but Big 12 spokesman says they do not