(08-14-2015 05:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Here we go again. The NCAA should just go ahead and shut down UNC's programs for a couple of years, while they sort all this crap out.

UNC reports new violations to NCAA that should delay infractions case

(08-14-2015 08:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  University of Narcissistic ( not Notorious) Cheaters. fify

Quote:But the timing basically ensures UNC won't be punished before National Signing Day for football or the 2016 NCAA Tournament, meaning Roy Williams' Tar Heels, a possible preseason No. 1, now run almost no risk of being banned from this upcoming season's postseason. In other words, in a twisted way, these newly discovered potential violations could prove helpful to the sports that matter most in Chapel Hill.

(08-14-2015 11:31 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  They are trying so hard to pin as much of this on women's basketball. It's shamful.

(08-15-2015 08:32 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Maybe NC does fit in better with the SEC!

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lackloss of institutional control?

(08-15-2015 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 08:32 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Maybe NC does fit in better with the SEC!

Lenville nobody in the SEC has done anything this dirty and certainly nothing that could be linked to the academic side of the school at any level that would include fraudulent classes, with fraudulent instructors, managed by a Dean, and recorded and billed by the Bursar. Getting a ringer to take an entrance exam? I know of of those. Leaning on an un-tenured teacher to go lightly on a an athlete in class? Having a ringer take a text? I know of those. Finding a high school principal to change grades? I know of those. Offering genuinely designed crip courses, taught by actual professors, but attended by real students who are not athletes along with athletes? I know of those.

But to my knowledge there has never been an SEC school that had bogus classes, taught by bogus instructors, or has had forged teachers signatures on fraudulent grade sheets, or has involved the sanctioning of all of the above at the level of the Dean's office, or the Bursars office. That means having the school itself lend its approval to the recording of grades, credit hours given, and eligibility certified by the Deans, Registrar, and billed by and recorded by the Bursar of the school. That is as great an offense of the "lack of institutional control" I've ever heard of anywhere. Quite frankly they should not only receive the death penalty, but should lose accreditation as well.

By comparison what happened at Penn State had no impact upon the academic side of the school. Involved far fewer persons in the scope of the scandal. And while it exhibited a lack of institutional control, and involved cover up, it did not require academic fraud.

By comparison what happened at S.M.U. was just rampant payola with the blessing of the leadership.

Neither Penn State, nor S.M.U., (two of the most notorious cases for different reasons) compare to the scope and total involvement of the institution in crimes as the present case against North Carolina. The fact that the State of North Carolina has not moved against the leadership of the school reflects a level of political corruption that also needs to be investigated.

(08-15-2015 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 08:32 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Maybe NC does fit in better with the SEC!

Lenville nobody in the SEC has done anything this dirty and certainly nothing that could be linked to the academic side of the school at any level that would include fraudulent classes, with fraudulent instructors, managed by a Dean, and recorded and billed by the Bursar. Getting a ringer to take an entrance exam? I know of of those. Leaning on an un-tenured teacher to go lightly on a an athlete in class? Having a ringer take a text? I know of those. Finding a high school principal to change grades? I know of those. Offering genuinely designed crip courses, taught by actual professors, but attended by real students who are not athletes along with athletes? I know of those.

But to my knowledge there has never been an SEC school that had bogus classes, taught by bogus instructors, or has had forged teachers signatures on fraudulent grade sheets, or has involved the sanctioning of all of the above at the level of the Dean's office, or the Bursars office. That means having the school itself lend its approval to the recording of grades, credit hours given, and eligibility certified by the Deans, Registrar, and billed by and recorded by the Bursar of the school. That is as great an offense of the "lack of institutional control" I've ever heard of anywhere. Quite frankly they should not only receive the death penalty, but should lose accreditation as well.

By comparison what happened at Penn State had no impact upon the academic side of the school. Involved far fewer persons in the scope of the scandal. And while it exhibited a lack of institutional control, and involved cover up, it did not require academic fraud.

By comparison what happened at S.M.U. was just rampant payola with the blessing of the leadership.

Neither Penn State, nor S.M.U., (two of the most notorious cases for different reasons) compare to the scope and total involvement of the institution in crimes as the present case against North Carolina. The fact that the State of North Carolina has not moved against the leadership of the school reflects a level of political corruption that also needs to be investigated.