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Hell has frozen over - Kaplony - 07-30-2015 09:19 PM
Chris Matthews asks a leftist a hard question
Since Wasserman-Schultz refused to answer maybe one of our resident leftists would like to tell us the difference between a democrat and a socialist. Any takers?
RE: Hell has frozen over - Lord Stanley - 07-30-2015 09:50 PM
Democrats are not socialist, at the moment, if and only if you observe exactly the restrictive first dictionary definition of “socialism”.
Quote:a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
But the secondary definition of socialism seems to hold a fair amount of water with your average Democrat.
Quote:a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Fitbud - 07-30-2015 09:57 PM
Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Owl 69/70/75 - 07-30-2015 10:30 PM
(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.
Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Re: RE: Hell has frozen over - Fitbud - 07-30-2015 10:32 PM
(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.
Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
RE: Hell has frozen over - Owl 69/70/75 - 07-30-2015 10:33 PM
(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Bull_In_Exile - 07-30-2015 10:47 PM
(07-30-2015 09:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Democrats are not socialist, at the moment, if and only if you observe exactly the restrictive first dictionary definition of “socialism”.
Quote:a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
But the secondary definition of socialism seems to hold a fair amount of water with your average Democrat.
Quote:a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
Economically they are closer to fascist..
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.
Re: RE: Hell has frozen over - Fitbud - 07-30-2015 11:20 PM
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Ole Blue - 07-30-2015 11:21 PM
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
False. They are against unchecked capitalism that is just as bad as communism.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Paul M - 07-30-2015 11:24 PM
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.
What you got against some 12 year old inner city thug making a little scratch?
Re: RE: Hell has frozen over - Fitbud - 07-30-2015 11:26 PM
(07-30-2015 11:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.
What you got against some 12 year old inner city thug making a little scratch?
Nothing as long as it's legal.
RE: Hell has frozen over - Owl 69/70/75 - 07-30-2015 11:37 PM
(07-30-2015 11:21 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:False. They are against unchecked capitalism that is just as bad as communism.(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
I do not believe any of that.
Unless you want to say that if it makes a profit, then it's unchecked capitalism. They certainly attack profits with every policy proposal they pursue.
RE: Hell has frozen over - RobertN - 07-31-2015 02:43 AM
(07-30-2015 11:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:Notice the "T" word again.(07-30-2015 11:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.
What you got against some 12 year old inner city thug making a little scratch?
Nothing as long as it's legal.
RE: Hell has frozen over - RobertN - 07-31-2015 02:46 AM
(07-30-2015 11:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Despite your love for yourself always being "right", it is amazing how wrong you are most of the time.(07-30-2015 11:21 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:False. They are against unchecked capitalism that is just as bad as communism.(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
I do not believe any of that.
Unless you want to say that if it makes a profit, then it's unchecked capitalism. They certainly attack profits with every policy proposal they pursue.
RE: Hell has frozen over - firmbizzle - 07-31-2015 03:35 AM
OMG! I cringed when she couldn't answer that question. I was thinking "man, I hope the cons don't see this." Matthews asks tough questions, that's why it's call Hardball. She is just a complete hack.
RE: Hell has frozen over - NewJersey GATA - 07-31-2015 04:30 AM
I don't believe there are many socialist democrats as many believe. Their leaders on the other hand lean socialist.
Majority of Dems are brain washed by their Unions to vote D. The Union members then preach to vote D without knowing what their doing
RE: Hell has frozen over - Owl 69/70/75 - 07-31-2015 05:04 AM
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?
Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.
Obscene profits.
Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.
Tax the "rich."
At some point, you've made enough money.
Windfall profits.
Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:
Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.
Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
RE: Hell has frozen over - EverRespect - 07-31-2015 05:51 AM
Can a small business produce anything anymore? Almost the entire means of production is in fact owned by big business and they own the politicians. We are indeed quasi socialist. Only difference is the cucks that run the GOP also play ball.
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RE: Hell has frozen over - EverRespect - 07-31-2015 05:53 AM
(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.Xactly... no small business. Wall Street LOVES regulation. That guarantees they control market share.
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RE: Hell has frozen over - EverRespect - 07-31-2015 05:54 AM
(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Democrats love profits so long as it is corporate interests that give them money that are earning them.(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.
Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
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