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Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - CougarRed - 07-26-2015 02:25 PM
So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 02:30 PM
(07-26-2015 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
Yes they do. The B1G source read the article yesterday and "leaked" out the info with permission to set the record straight on some things that people were getting wrong.
FOX and ESPN have the power to move schools if they sign off on it.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - DavidSt - 07-26-2015 02:37 PM
(07-26-2015 02:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
Yes they do. The B1G source read the article yesterday and "leaked" out the info with permission to set the record straight on some things that people were getting wrong.
FOX and ESPN have the power to move schools if they sign off on it.
It was something that I was saying for some time that ESPN wants teams that are not in the P5 in as a P5. There is a list of schools that are wanted. If Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State leaves for the Big 10 now, and Texas go Independent? West Virginia, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State is screwed. I think ESPN had something to do with blocking the Texhoma 4 from going to the PAC 12. They would have lost money to CBS and PAC 12 Network. That is why schools like Boise State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, North Dakota State, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Cincinnati, U.Conn, UCF, USF and East Carolina are on the expansion list. ESPN really does not have any west coast content except for Boise State and BYU at their expense.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 03:02 PM
(07-26-2015 02:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
Yes they do. The B1G source read the article yesterday and "leaked" out the info with permission to set the record straight on some things that people were getting wrong.
FOX and ESPN have the power to move schools if they sign off on it.
It was something that I was saying for some time that ESPN wants teams that are not in the P5 in as a P5. There is a list of schools that are wanted. If Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State leaves for the Big 10 now, and Texas go Independent? West Virginia, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State is screwed. I think ESPN had something to do with blocking the Texhoma 4 from going to the PAC 12. They would have lost money to CBS and PAC 12 Network. That is why schools like Boise State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, North Dakota State, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Cincinnati, U.Conn, UCF, USF and East Carolina are on the expansion list. ESPN really does not have any west coast content except for Boise State and BYU at their expense.
ESPN wants Big 12 to die.
FOX wants ACC to die.
Resolution = expanded content in Big 12 for both networks = more live content that viewers will watch = more teams into the P5.
The main thing now is to get the Big 12 to expand so the "5 team leaving situation" doesn't happen and that is not what FOX wants to happen. Thus, FOX will help expand and will give into ESPN's BYU to Big 12 as a comprise. Thus FOX gets what they want with East expansion for live content.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - DavidSt - 07-26-2015 03:06 PM
(07-26-2015 03:02 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
Yes they do. The B1G source read the article yesterday and "leaked" out the info with permission to set the record straight on some things that people were getting wrong.
FOX and ESPN have the power to move schools if they sign off on it.
It was something that I was saying for some time that ESPN wants teams that are not in the P5 in as a P5. There is a list of schools that are wanted. If Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State leaves for the Big 10 now, and Texas go Independent? West Virginia, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State is screwed. I think ESPN had something to do with blocking the Texhoma 4 from going to the PAC 12. They would have lost money to CBS and PAC 12 Network. That is why schools like Boise State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, North Dakota State, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Cincinnati, U.Conn, UCF, USF and East Carolina are on the expansion list. ESPN really does not have any west coast content except for Boise State and BYU at their expense.
ESPN wants Big 12 to die.
FOX wants ACC to die.
Resolution = expanded content in Big 12 for both networks = more live content that viewers will watch = more teams into the P5.
The main thing now is to get the Big 12 to expand so the "5 team leaving situation" doesn't happen and that is not what FOX wants to happen. Thus, FOX will help expand and will give into ESPN's BYU to Big 12 as a comprise. Thus FOX gets what they want with East expansion for live content.
Not unless the Longhorn network gets turned into Big 12 Network which ESPN owns. ESPN could squeeze Fox out of the Big 12.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 03:09 PM
(07-26-2015 03:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-26-2015 03:02 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: So says Greg Flugaur (@Flugempire).
NCAA ByLaw 20.02.6 say a FBS conference needs 8 members.
http://tinyurl.com/pflnxve
The implication is that if 3-5 teams leave the Big 12, ESPN/Fox have the power over the others about whether they even remain a conference. Whether the remaining schools can enforce the GOR at all.
Yes they do. The B1G source read the article yesterday and "leaked" out the info with permission to set the record straight on some things that people were getting wrong.
FOX and ESPN have the power to move schools if they sign off on it.
It was something that I was saying for some time that ESPN wants teams that are not in the P5 in as a P5. There is a list of schools that are wanted. If Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State leaves for the Big 10 now, and Texas go Independent? West Virginia, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State is screwed. I think ESPN had something to do with blocking the Texhoma 4 from going to the PAC 12. They would have lost money to CBS and PAC 12 Network. That is why schools like Boise State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, North Dakota State, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Cincinnati, U.Conn, UCF, USF and East Carolina are on the expansion list. ESPN really does not have any west coast content except for Boise State and BYU at their expense.
ESPN wants Big 12 to die.
FOX wants ACC to die.
Resolution = expanded content in Big 12 for both networks = more live content that viewers will watch = more teams into the P5.
The main thing now is to get the Big 12 to expand so the "5 team leaving situation" doesn't happen and that is not what FOX wants to happen. Thus, FOX will help expand and will give into ESPN's BYU to Big 12 as a comprise. Thus FOX gets what they want with East expansion for live content.
Not unless the Longhorn network gets turned into Big 12 Network which ESPN owns. ESPN could squeeze Fox out of the Big 12.
That is different since what I'm saying isn't dealing with a conference network. Adding two more teams adds a conference champ game (big ratings for the network that gets the rights) and more content that will lead to more viewers on FOX and ESPN.
Who knows how the LHN and a Big 12 Network is going to play out. That stuff is messy and a lot of ego power people with that.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - bluesox - 07-26-2015 03:55 PM
IF that 8 team minimum is required to keep the GOR in force than ESPN can kill off the big 12 pretty easy.
Example 1
WVU to the ACC
OU and OK state to the SEC
Example 2
WVU to the ACC
KU and OU to the big 10
in either case, the big 12 drops below 8 football members and becomes invalid. If i were ESPN, i'd go with example 2 and cut a deal with the big 10 on their upcoming deal. Yet, i would also add uconn and cincy to the acc and shift 2 acc school's over to the sec. Thus, the big 10, sec and ACC would all be at 16 members. After those moves, the big 12 would be at 7 members. ESPN could try to cut a deal with the pac 12 and texas to get the pac 12 up to 16 with texas, texas tech, x and x. OR ESPN could just rebuild the big 12 into a Longhorn conference if everybody signed off. Add houston, colorado state and BYU to get back to 10….could go total texas and bring in SMU than hit fl with UCF and/or USF…lots of school's to rebuild to 10-12 members. My guess is texas would probably go indy in football, maybe a BYU football only invite to offset it and eventually move to the pac 12. Yet, the Longhorn league could last for a few years with texas collecting its LHN money and the other losing the right to sue.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Big Frog II - 07-26-2015 04:38 PM
You people are idiots.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 04:43 PM
(07-26-2015 04:38 PM)Big Frog II Wrote: You people are idiots.
The idiots are the fake message board insiders that think a GOR can be broken.
FOX owns rights. ESPN owns rights. Each Network wants the best live content they can. Basic stuff.
The Networks have the right to protect their Grant of Rights. If they want to sell their rights they can and they can trade them if they want to.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - stever20 - 07-26-2015 04:45 PM
The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 04:49 PM
(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - stever20 - 07-26-2015 04:51 PM
(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
No, you are wrong:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7006610/big-12-presidents-pledge-grant-television-rights-revenue-conference-according-oklahoma-president-david-boren
from when they did this at first...
The Big 12's presidents pledged to grant their television rights to the conference for six years, Oklahoma president David Boren said at a news conference on Thursday.
Doesn't say a damn thing about the networks.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 04:54 PM
(07-26-2015 04:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
No, you are wrong:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7006610/big-12-presidents-pledge-grant-television-rights-revenue-conference-according-oklahoma-president-david-boren
from when they did this at first...
The Big 12's presidents pledged to grant their television rights to the conference for six years, Oklahoma president David Boren said at a news conference on Thursday.
Doesn't say a damn thing about the networks.
The schools sign off their rights to the conference, the conference signs with the networks. Networks are not in contract with individual schools (except for Notre Dame).
Get a clue.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - CougarRed - 07-26-2015 04:56 PM
stever
What you say doesn't matter if ESPN/Fox have leverage over the existence of the Big 12 should 3-5 teams leave.
No conference means no entity to enforce the GOR.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Dr. Isaly von Yinzer - 07-26-2015 04:56 PM
(07-26-2015 04:38 PM)Big Frog II Wrote: You people are idiots.
+1
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - SeaBlue - 07-26-2015 04:57 PM
(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
The conference bylaws in turn though hand a lot of legalities to the conference.
If you're going to argue that it's unbreakable then doesn't it hurt your argument to say flat out that the grant is to the network?
If that were the case then wouldn't a move to another conference where said network also owns the rights be a "simple" lateral move?
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - stever20 - 07-26-2015 05:00 PM
(07-26-2015 04:54 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
No, you are wrong:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7006610/big-12-presidents-pledge-grant-television-rights-revenue-conference-according-oklahoma-president-david-boren
from when they did this at first...
The Big 12's presidents pledged to grant their television rights to the conference for six years, Oklahoma president David Boren said at a news conference on Thursday.
Doesn't say a damn thing about the networks.
The schools sign off their rights to the conference, the conference signs with the networks. Networks are not in contract with individual schools (except for Notre Dame).
Get a clue.
No you get a clue. The grant of rights is to the conference. PERIOD.
another story:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/big-12-revenue-sharing-agreement-grant-broadcast-rights/1#.VbVXNrNRGUk
Once a school grants its rights, the conference holds them for that term even if the school leaves for another conference.
There's that word again.... Conference. The networks don't have a ******* thing to do with the grant of rights. NOTHING.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 05:00 PM
(07-26-2015 04:57 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
The conference bylaws in turn though hand a lot of legalities to the conference.
If you're going to argue that it's unbreakable then doesn't it hurt your argument to say flat out that the grant is to the network?
Yes a conference can go after a school if they left since the conference is contracted with the network that stats x and y is protected for the network and the school has turned over their rights to the conference.
If anyone tried to leave a conference on their own, the GOR is going to be activated and that school will likely wished they never left since they will be sued for so much money and be in court for years.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - stever20 - 07-26-2015 05:01 PM
(07-26-2015 04:56 PM)CougarRed Wrote: stever
What you say doesn't matter if ESPN/Fox have leverage over the existence of the Big 12 should 3-5 teams leave.
No conference means no entity to enforce the GOR.
Not really. Now ESPN/Fox could diminish how much they pay. But it doesn't mean the conference doesn't exist. And it doesn't have anything to do about the GOR.
RE: Fox/ESPN have veto power on Big 12 Expansion? - Nebraskafan - 07-26-2015 05:02 PM
(07-26-2015 05:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:54 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:49 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:(07-26-2015 04:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: The Grant of Rights is to the conference, not the networks.
Wrong.
No, you are wrong:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7006610/big-12-presidents-pledge-grant-television-rights-revenue-conference-according-oklahoma-president-david-boren
from when they did this at first...
The Big 12's presidents pledged to grant their television rights to the conference for six years, Oklahoma president David Boren said at a news conference on Thursday.
Doesn't say a damn thing about the networks.
The schools sign off their rights to the conference, the conference signs with the networks. Networks are not in contract with individual schools (except for Notre Dame).
Get a clue.
No you get a clue. The grant of rights is to the conference. PERIOD.
another story:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/big-12-revenue-sharing-agreement-grant-broadcast-rights/1#.VbVXNrNRGUk
Once a school grants its rights, the conference holds them for that term even if the school leaves for another conference.
There's that word again.... Conference. The networks don't have a ******* thing to do with the grant of rights. NOTHING.
You are getting pissy because you are wrong. The networks have rights protected for x and y. The conference signs with the network. The schools turn over their rights to the conference, which in turn is in contract with the networks.
The networks have the power to sue a school up the but so far they could bankrupt a major university.