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Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 08:41 AM
Here are the driving distances for all of the potential additions.
BOISE STATE
382 BYU
1,319 Kansas State
1,365 Texas Tech
1,389 Kansas
1,399 Iowa State
1,469 Oklahoma State
1,523 Oklahoma
1,613 TCU
1,672 Baylor
1,771 Texas
1,897 Memphis
1,959 Cincinnati
2,230 West Virginia
BYU
382 Boise State
979 Kansas State
1,025 Texas Tech
1,050 Kansas State
1,121 Iowa State
1,130 Oklahoma State
1,184 Oklahoma
1,273 TCU
1,332 Baylor
1,432 Texas
1,618 Memphis
1,680 Cincinnati
1,952 West Virginia
2,354 UCF
UCF
832 Memphis
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,092 TCU
1,132 Texas
1,172 Baylor
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech
2,354 BYU
2,633 Boise State
CINCINNATI
311 West Virginia
480 Memphis
615 Iowa State
634 Kansas
715 Kansas State
823 Oklahoma State
869 Oklahoma
912 UCF
934 TCU
1,027 Baylor
1,126 Texas
1,233 Texas Tech
1,680 BYU
1,959 Boise State
MEMPHIS
455 TCU
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
548 Baylor
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech
830 UCF
1,618 BYU
1,897 Boise State
If we assume that Cincinnati is a lock, the travel numbers are mind boggling. The total miles represent 1 road trip to each school per year (I know this would be halved for basketball and football).
Memphis
- 6,515 total miles
- Shortest trip is 455 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 817 miles to Texas Tech
UCF
- 13,357 total miles
- Shortest trip is 917 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 1,433 to Texas Tech
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 100 miles
BYU
- 14,158 miles
- Shortest trip is 979 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 1,952 to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 162 miles
Boise State
- 17,709 miles
- Shortest trip is 1,319 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 2,230 miles to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 502 miles
Ultimately, when the dust settles, geography is going to be the decider. The travel distances on their own are a huge factor, but they don't tell the whole story.
The distances are exponentially shorter when you consider that Memphis gives all members multiple options to play 2 road games within 1,500 miles of one another as a worst case scenario, with most fitting under 1,200 miles.
If you look at UCF, they are isolated from everyone; meaning that every time they host a Big 12 opponent, each game is a minimum 1,800 mile round trip; with Texas Tech topping out at 2,800 miles. As bad as UCF would be, BYU and Boise State would be much worse.
Most schools play 19 sports. Memphis would save each Big 12 member huge dollars and hundreds of hours of travel time.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - UofMstateU - 06-30-2015 12:47 PM
The nagging issue the B12 has had since adding WVU is travel costs. Which is why I dont see Boise, BYU, or UCF in the mix right now. Every time I see some blogger have these schools high in the mix, its like they havent been paying attention.
If the B12 wants to get into Florida, they would be better off converting an existing ACC team than to try to spin up a new brand against 3 other P5 teams in the state. But I dont think they can get those ACC team(s) to convert until they stabilize the conference. Also, by getting into Florida, you need an easterly conference wing set up, or else you just multiply your travel issues.
It makes a lot of sense to add Memphis and Cinci now, and add one or two existing Florida schools later. Nothing else makes sense. (Unless they consider Tulane)
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - 3601 - 06-30-2015 01:58 PM
(06-30-2015 08:41 AM)Stammers Wrote: Here are the driving distances for all of the potential additions.
BOISE STATE
382 BYU
1,319 Kansas State
1,365 Texas Tech
1,389 Kansas
1,399 Iowa State
1,469 Oklahoma State
1,523 Oklahoma
1,613 TCU
1,672 Baylor
1,771 Texas
1,897 Memphis
1,959 Cincinnati
2,230 West Virginia
BYU
382 Boise State
979 Kansas State
1,025 Texas Tech
1,050 Kansas State
1,121 Iowa State
1,130 Oklahoma State
1,184 Oklahoma
1,273 TCU
1,332 Baylor
1,432 Texas
1,618 Memphis
1,680 Cincinnati
1,952 West Virginia
2,354 UCF
UCF
832 Memphis
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,092 TCU
1,132 Texas
1,172 Baylor
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech
2,354 BYU
2,633 Boise State
CINCINNATI
311 West Virginia
480 Memphis
615 Iowa State
634 Kansas
715 Kansas State
823 Oklahoma State
869 Oklahoma
912 UCF
934 TCU
1,027 Baylor
1,126 Texas
1,233 Texas Tech
1,680 BYU
1,959 Boise State
MEMPHIS
455 TCU
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
548 Baylor
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech
830 UCF
1,618 BYU
1,897 Boise State
If we assume that Cincinnati is a lock, the travel numbers are mind boggling. The total miles represent 1 road trip to each school per year (I know this would be halved for basketball and football).
Memphis
- 6,515 total miles
- Shortest trip is 455 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 817 miles to Texas Tech
UCF
- 13,357 total miles
- Shortest trip is 917 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 1,433 to Texas Tech
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 100 miles
BYU
- 14,158 miles
- Shortest trip is 979 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 1,952 to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 162 miles
Boise State
- 17,709 miles
- Shortest trip is 1,319 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 2,230 miles to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 502 miles
Ultimately, when the dust settles, geography is going to be the decider. The travel distances on their own are a huge factor, but they don't tell the whole story.
The distances are exponentially shorter when you consider that Memphis gives all members multiple options to play 2 road games within 1,500 miles of one another as a worst case scenario, with most fitting under 1,200 miles.
If you look at UCF, they are isolated from everyone; meaning that every time they host a Big 12 opponent, each game is a minimum 1,800 mile round trip; with Texas Tech topping out at 2,800 miles. As bad as UCF would be, BYU and Boise State would be much worse.
Most schools play 19 sports. Memphis would save each Big 12 member huge dollars and hundreds of hours of travel time.
If that were really even a minor consideration then they wouldn't have invited WVU in the first place. I think the travel issue typically is something used by those grasping at straws.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - MemphisTiger15 - 06-30-2015 02:06 PM
(06-30-2015 01:58 PM)3601 Wrote: If that were really even a minor consideration then they wouldn't have invited WVU in the first place. I think the travel issue typically is something used by those grasping at straws.
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Lets be honest, the B12 is run by a bunch of idiots. They've been dead set against expansion to the point that it could kill their league. Don't expect that bunch to make the wisest and most logical decisions if and when they do decide to expand.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 02:09 PM
(06-30-2015 01:58 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 08:41 AM)Stammers Wrote: Here are the driving distances for all of the potential additions.
BOISE STATE
382 BYU
1,319 Kansas State
1,365 Texas Tech
1,389 Kansas
1,399 Iowa State
1,469 Oklahoma State
1,523 Oklahoma
1,613 TCU
1,672 Baylor
1,771 Texas
1,897 Memphis
1,959 Cincinnati
2,230 West Virginia
BYU
382 Boise State
979 Kansas State
1,025 Texas Tech
1,050 Kansas State
1,121 Iowa State
1,130 Oklahoma State
1,184 Oklahoma
1,273 TCU
1,332 Baylor
1,432 Texas
1,618 Memphis
1,680 Cincinnati
1,952 West Virginia
2,354 UCF
UCF
832 Memphis
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,092 TCU
1,132 Texas
1,172 Baylor
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech
2,354 BYU
2,633 Boise State
CINCINNATI
311 West Virginia
480 Memphis
615 Iowa State
634 Kansas
715 Kansas State
823 Oklahoma State
869 Oklahoma
912 UCF
934 TCU
1,027 Baylor
1,126 Texas
1,233 Texas Tech
1,680 BYU
1,959 Boise State
MEMPHIS
455 TCU
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
548 Baylor
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech
830 UCF
1,618 BYU
1,897 Boise State
If we assume that Cincinnati is a lock, the travel numbers are mind boggling. The total miles represent 1 road trip to each school per year (I know this would be halved for basketball and football).
Memphis
- 6,515 total miles
- Shortest trip is 455 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 817 miles to Texas Tech
UCF
- 13,357 total miles
- Shortest trip is 917 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 1,433 to Texas Tech
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 100 miles
BYU
- 14,158 miles
- Shortest trip is 979 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 1,952 to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 162 miles
Boise State
- 17,709 miles
- Shortest trip is 1,319 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 2,230 miles to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 502 miles
Ultimately, when the dust settles, geography is going to be the decider. The travel distances on their own are a huge factor, but they don't tell the whole story.
The distances are exponentially shorter when you consider that Memphis gives all members multiple options to play 2 road games within 1,500 miles of one another as a worst case scenario, with most fitting under 1,200 miles.
If you look at UCF, they are isolated from everyone; meaning that every time they host a Big 12 opponent, each game is a minimum 1,800 mile round trip; with Texas Tech topping out at 2,800 miles. As bad as UCF would be, BYU and Boise State would be much worse.
Most schools play 19 sports. Memphis would save each Big 12 member huge dollars and hundreds of hours of travel time.
If that were really even a minor consideration then they wouldn't have invited WVU in the first place. I think the travel issue typically is something used by those grasping at straws.
That would be like saying that anyone who suggests that it was good for Missouri and TAM to leave is typically grasping at straws. It might not have been an issue when it happened, but that is because they didn't think it out. It sure is an issue now. In retrospect, everyone agrees that they would have been better off taking Louisville.
Just because the Big 12 does something, it doesn't mean that it was, or is smart.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - 3601 - 06-30-2015 02:12 PM
(06-30-2015 02:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:(06-30-2015 01:58 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 08:41 AM)Stammers Wrote: Here are the driving distances for all of the potential additions.
BOISE STATE
382 BYU
1,319 Kansas State
1,365 Texas Tech
1,389 Kansas
1,399 Iowa State
1,469 Oklahoma State
1,523 Oklahoma
1,613 TCU
1,672 Baylor
1,771 Texas
1,897 Memphis
1,959 Cincinnati
2,230 West Virginia
BYU
382 Boise State
979 Kansas State
1,025 Texas Tech
1,050 Kansas State
1,121 Iowa State
1,130 Oklahoma State
1,184 Oklahoma
1,273 TCU
1,332 Baylor
1,432 Texas
1,618 Memphis
1,680 Cincinnati
1,952 West Virginia
2,354 UCF
UCF
832 Memphis
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,092 TCU
1,132 Texas
1,172 Baylor
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech
2,354 BYU
2,633 Boise State
CINCINNATI
311 West Virginia
480 Memphis
615 Iowa State
634 Kansas
715 Kansas State
823 Oklahoma State
869 Oklahoma
912 UCF
934 TCU
1,027 Baylor
1,126 Texas
1,233 Texas Tech
1,680 BYU
1,959 Boise State
MEMPHIS
455 TCU
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
548 Baylor
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech
830 UCF
1,618 BYU
1,897 Boise State
If we assume that Cincinnati is a lock, the travel numbers are mind boggling. The total miles represent 1 road trip to each school per year (I know this would be halved for basketball and football).
Memphis
- 6,515 total miles
- Shortest trip is 455 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 817 miles to Texas Tech
UCF
- 13,357 total miles
- Shortest trip is 917 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 1,433 to Texas Tech
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 100 miles
BYU
- 14,158 miles
- Shortest trip is 979 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 1,952 to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 162 miles
Boise State
- 17,709 miles
- Shortest trip is 1,319 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 2,230 miles to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 502 miles
Ultimately, when the dust settles, geography is going to be the decider. The travel distances on their own are a huge factor, but they don't tell the whole story.
The distances are exponentially shorter when you consider that Memphis gives all members multiple options to play 2 road games within 1,500 miles of one another as a worst case scenario, with most fitting under 1,200 miles.
If you look at UCF, they are isolated from everyone; meaning that every time they host a Big 12 opponent, each game is a minimum 1,800 mile round trip; with Texas Tech topping out at 2,800 miles. As bad as UCF would be, BYU and Boise State would be much worse.
Most schools play 19 sports. Memphis would save each Big 12 member huge dollars and hundreds of hours of travel time.
If that were really even a minor consideration then they wouldn't have invited WVU in the first place. I think the travel issue typically is something used by those grasping at straws.
That would be like saying that anyone who suggests that it was good for Missouri and TAM to leave is typically grasping at straws. It might not have been an issue when it happened, but that is because they didn't think it out. It sure is an issue now. In retrospect, everyone agrees that they would have been better off taking Louisville.
Just because the Big 12 does something, it doesn't mean that it was, or is smart.
1. Not sure what Missou and TAM have to do with it.
2. Not saying it is smart or not.
3. Simply saying that travel considerations are certainly not a major factor and probably not even a minor factor when conferences are making expansion choices.
4. I wish it were a major factor...just don't think it ever was or will be.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Briskbas - 06-30-2015 02:30 PM
The West Virginia move was made at a point in time when the Big 12 was primarily concerned with maintaining it's AQ status under the BCS system after losing Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and TAMU. So they were going after a football program and poached the strongest one they could get from the Big East.
Regardless of whether geography is a concern now, and if so, whether it's a primary concern, that's why the Big 12 wasn't too concerned with it when they added West Virginia.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 02:33 PM
(06-30-2015 02:12 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 02:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:(06-30-2015 01:58 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 08:41 AM)Stammers Wrote: Here are the driving distances for all of the potential additions.
BOISE STATE
382 BYU
1,319 Kansas State
1,365 Texas Tech
1,389 Kansas
1,399 Iowa State
1,469 Oklahoma State
1,523 Oklahoma
1,613 TCU
1,672 Baylor
1,771 Texas
1,897 Memphis
1,959 Cincinnati
2,230 West Virginia
BYU
382 Boise State
979 Kansas State
1,025 Texas Tech
1,050 Kansas State
1,121 Iowa State
1,130 Oklahoma State
1,184 Oklahoma
1,273 TCU
1,332 Baylor
1,432 Texas
1,618 Memphis
1,680 Cincinnati
1,952 West Virginia
2,354 UCF
UCF
832 Memphis
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,092 TCU
1,132 Texas
1,172 Baylor
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech
2,354 BYU
2,633 Boise State
CINCINNATI
311 West Virginia
480 Memphis
615 Iowa State
634 Kansas
715 Kansas State
823 Oklahoma State
869 Oklahoma
912 UCF
934 TCU
1,027 Baylor
1,126 Texas
1,233 Texas Tech
1,680 BYU
1,959 Boise State
MEMPHIS
455 TCU
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
548 Baylor
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech
830 UCF
1,618 BYU
1,897 Boise State
If we assume that Cincinnati is a lock, the travel numbers are mind boggling. The total miles represent 1 road trip to each school per year (I know this would be halved for basketball and football).
Memphis
- 6,515 total miles
- Shortest trip is 455 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 817 miles to Texas Tech
UCF
- 13,357 total miles
- Shortest trip is 917 miles to Cincinnati
- Longest trip is 1,433 to Texas Tech
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 100 miles
BYU
- 14,158 miles
- Shortest trip is 979 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 1,952 to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 162 miles
Boise State
- 17,709 miles
- Shortest trip is 1,319 miles to Kansas State
- Longest trip is 2,230 miles to West Virginia
- Shortest trip is longer than Memphis' longest trip by 502 miles
Ultimately, when the dust settles, geography is going to be the decider. The travel distances on their own are a huge factor, but they don't tell the whole story.
The distances are exponentially shorter when you consider that Memphis gives all members multiple options to play 2 road games within 1,500 miles of one another as a worst case scenario, with most fitting under 1,200 miles.
If you look at UCF, they are isolated from everyone; meaning that every time they host a Big 12 opponent, each game is a minimum 1,800 mile round trip; with Texas Tech topping out at 2,800 miles. As bad as UCF would be, BYU and Boise State would be much worse.
Most schools play 19 sports. Memphis would save each Big 12 member huge dollars and hundreds of hours of travel time.
If that were really even a minor consideration then they wouldn't have invited WVU in the first place. I think the travel issue typically is something used by those grasping at straws.
That would be like saying that anyone who suggests that it was good for Missouri and TAM to leave is typically grasping at straws. It might not have been an issue when it happened, but that is because they didn't think it out. It sure is an issue now. In retrospect, everyone agrees that they would have been better off taking Louisville.
Just because the Big 12 does something, it doesn't mean that it was, or is smart.
1. Not sure what Missou and TAM have to do with it.
2. Not saying it is smart or not.
3. Simply saying that travel considerations are certainly not a major factor and probably not even a minor factor when conferences are making expansion choices.
4. I wish it were a major factor...just don't think it ever was or will be.
Of course it is. If it wasn't they would take BYU. BYU has a large, captive, nationwide following. If TV market was an issue and distance wasn't an issue, USF would be in there, but you don't even hear them mentioned. Tampa is the #13 TV market; Orlando is the #19 market. If travel distance wasn't a big issue and TV market was, you would also hear talk about ECU; but you don't. Greenville has the #36 TV market.
Quote:1. Not sure what Missou and TAM have to do with it.
It has everything to do with what you said. You assume because travel distance wasn't enough of an issue 4 years ago, that it isn't now. I don't know what you have been basing that on, because it is one of the few things that everyone in the Big 12 is united about.
The Big 12 does a lot of dumb things and taking WVU over Louisville was one of them. Travel to and from WVU, and not taking Louisville have been in the forefront for the last 4 years.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 02:34 PM
(06-30-2015 02:30 PM)Briskbas Wrote: The West Virginia move was made at a point in time when the Big 12 was primarily concerned with maintaining it's AQ status under the BCS system after losing Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and TAMU. So they were going after a football program and poached the strongest one they could get from the Big East.
Regardless of whether geography is a concern now, and if so, whether it's a primary concern, that's why the Big 12 wasn't too concerned with it when they added West Virginia.
I agree. I guess the consensus was that West Virginia was a small but captive state, and they would break into and corner a brand new market.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - TIGERCITY - 06-30-2015 02:41 PM
(06-30-2015 02:34 PM)Stammers Wrote:(06-30-2015 02:30 PM)Briskbas Wrote: The West Virginia move was made at a point in time when the Big 12 was primarily concerned with maintaining it's AQ status under the BCS system after losing Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and TAMU. So they were going after a football program and poached the strongest one they could get from the Big East.
Regardless of whether geography is a concern now, and if so, whether it's a primary concern, that's why the Big 12 wasn't too concerned with it when they added West Virginia.
I agree. I guess the consensus was that West Virginia was a small but captive state, and they would break into and corner a brand new market.
As I recall the Big 12 was in serious trouble and the Big East was beginning to lose schools. The Big 12 / WV marriage wasn't one made out of love IMO. Both sides made this deal under duress IMO. So saying that the WV add would have still been done in a normal setting doesn't make sense to me --- or probably the Big 12 or WV.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - 3601 - 06-30-2015 02:58 PM
It's a bit early in the day to be drinking.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - salukiblue - 06-30-2015 03:02 PM
Teams still drive to away games?
I did not know that.
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RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 03:06 PM
(06-30-2015 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Teams still drive to away games?
I did not know that.
Soccer, field hockey, gymnastics, baseball/softball, swimming, golf, tennis, volleyball, rugby, wrestling, cross country and rowing fly to every game?
I did not know that.
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Keep up the good work.
LMAO
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - TIGERCITY - 06-30-2015 03:08 PM
I'd think the majority of fans drive. In addition, I'd think proximity does help with fan interest. Hence WV's issue and the Big 12 statement about "looking east." Memphis is really the best located school when all of the Big 12 conference is considered. Maybe this helps Memphis --- sure doesn't hurt.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 03:15 PM
(06-30-2015 03:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: I'd think the majority of fans drive. In addition, I'd think proximity does help with fan interest. Hence WV's issue and the Big 12 statement about "looking east." Memphis is really the best located school when all of the Big 12 conference is considered. Maybe this helps Memphis --- sure doesn't hurt.
Most Big 12 schools can fly to Memphis in 90 minutes or less, and then drive to Cincy and back to Memphis, or they can fly into Cincy and drive to Memphis, then take a plane back after playing 2 games. Most Big 12 schools will have to take a 2-3 hour flight to UCF and back after playing only 1 game.
Most D1 schools play between 16-20 sports, and while some sports participate in in season tournament format and don't visit every school, there is still a lot of travel involved by bus for many of them.
That is too complicated for Johnny Carson.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - salukiblue - 06-30-2015 03:16 PM
Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey?
Must be news to them.
Of course, you realize the athletic teams that Memphis DOES have (like cross country) participate in regional meets. The long trip, to the AAC championship was in Stoors...and I am willing to bet they flew.
In looking at the other olympic sports...most all of the matches are in Memphis or in surrounding areas. Not home and home stuff (rifle, tennis etc.)
And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - 3601 - 06-30-2015 03:33 PM
(06-30-2015 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey?
Must be news to them.
Of course, you realize the athletic teams that Memphis DOES have (like cross country) participate in regional meets. The long trip, to the AAC championship was in Stoors...and I am willing to bet they flew.
In looking at the other olympic sports...most all of the matches are in Memphis or in surrounding areas. Not home and home stuff (rifle, tennis etc.)
And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
I bet this guy knows the answers...
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RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - salukiblue - 06-30-2015 03:35 PM
(06-30-2015 03:33 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey?
Must be news to them.
Of course, you realize the athletic teams that Memphis DOES have (like cross country) participate in regional meets. The long trip, to the AAC championship was in Stoors...and I am willing to bet they flew.
In looking at the other olympic sports...most all of the matches are in Memphis or in surrounding areas. Not home and home stuff (rifle, tennis etc.)
And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
I bet this guy knows the answers...
At first I thought it was a really old and tired looking Ed McMahon.
Simplest thing is just for the OP to send the list of miles to the Big 12 powers that be and wait about 3 hours for them to say, "damn we never even considered this" and invite Memphis post haste.
It's silly keeping such valuable information squirreled away here.
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 03:38 PM
(06-30-2015 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey?
Must be news to them.
Of course, you realize the athletic teams that Memphis DOES have (like cross country) participate in regional meets. The long trip, to the AAC championship was in Stoors...and I am willing to bet they flew.
In looking at the other olympic sports...most all of the matches are in Memphis or in surrounding areas. Not home and home stuff (rifle, tennis etc.)
And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
Quote:Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey? Must be news to them.
Many Big 12 teams play those sports. Must be news to you.
Quote:And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
I'm betting that for most of the non revenue sports, that many teams will fly into Cincinnati, bus into Memphis and then bus back home, instead of flying into Cincinnati, flying to Memphis, then flying back. I'm willing to bet that many will run the entire trip by bus.
In any event; playing Memphis and Cincinnati is a lot less time consuming and a lot less expensive than playing Cincinnati and UCF or BYU.
Most programs spend a decent amount of money on customized vans for their sports programs. I highly doubt a lot of them leave the vans sitting around and have their teams flying to driveable games.
Memphis Tiger Golf Team Van
RE: Big 12 Expansion - Fun Travel Facts - Stammers - 06-30-2015 03:42 PM
(06-30-2015 03:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:(06-30-2015 03:33 PM)3601 Wrote:(06-30-2015 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Memphis has wrestling, rugby, rowing (?) gymnastics and field hockey?
Must be news to them.
Of course, you realize the athletic teams that Memphis DOES have (like cross country) participate in regional meets. The long trip, to the AAC championship was in Stoors...and I am willing to bet they flew.
In looking at the other olympic sports...most all of the matches are in Memphis or in surrounding areas. Not home and home stuff (rifle, tennis etc.)
And due to the small size of some of the teams, I would again be willing to bet that they fly to the "far away" games. If someone can verify otherwise, I'll be willing to listen.
I bet this guy knows the answers...
At first I thought it was a really old and tired looking Ed McMahon.
Simplest thing is just for the OP to send the list of miles to the Big 12 powers that be and wait about 3 hours for them to say, "damn we never even considered this" and invite Memphis post haste.
It's silly keeping such valuable information squirreled away here.
Now you know that schools don't only play football and basketball. Not a bad start for someone like you. Would you like me to provide a link to one of the 3 million articles written about how inconvenient it is for the rest of the conference to travel to West Virginia? I'm willing to try and help you in any little way I can.