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Expansion to 12 - Boyee - 06-12-2015 11:53 PM
Saint Louis University and 1 Northeastern school would be great.
RE: Expansion to 12 - stever20 - 06-13-2015 12:52 AM
SLU to me right now is a non starter. Not until they can get back to being even competitive.
RE: Expansion to 12 - MUAvalanche - 06-15-2015 03:24 PM
(06-13-2015 12:52 AM)stever20 Wrote: SLU to me right now is a non starter. Not until they can get back to being even competitive.
Agreed. You need 2 and there just aren't 2 right now that make sense together. No need to expand right now.
RE: Expansion to 12 - gosports1 - 06-16-2015 07:57 PM
at first i was very much in favor of going to 12, now i really like the round robin and dont feel as strongly about it. Although if we do go to 12 i feel like SLU belongs despite their BB record.
RE: Expansion to 12 - stever20 - 06-16-2015 07:59 PM
I'm not saying that SLU has to be even an NCAA tourney team. But they have to prove that last year was a fluke and they aren't going to be a terrible add on the court.
RE: Expansion to 12 - gosports1 - 06-17-2015 07:33 PM
I dont think anyone has stood out enough to encourage the BE to expand or to say we have to have school A.
10 is working and since the BE doesnt NEED to go to 12 at this point it probably shouldnt
RE: Expansion to 12 - stever20 - 06-18-2015 09:48 AM
like I've said, where the Big East I think almost would be forced to go to 12 would be if the Big 12 does expand up to 12. At that point-
ACC 15
SEC 14
Big Ten 14
Pac 12 12
Big 12 12
A10 14
AAC 11
MWC 11
So 9 of the other 10 conferences would be at more than 10. Having more than 10 does help getting teams in the tourney.
RE: Expansion to 12 - MUAvalanche - 06-18-2015 10:25 AM
(06-18-2015 09:48 AM)stever20 Wrote: like I've said, where the Big East I think almost would be forced to go to 12 would be if the Big 12 does expand up to 12. At that point-
ACC 15
SEC 14
Big Ten 14
Pac 12 12
Big 12 12
A10 14
AAC 11
MWC 11
So 9 of the other 10 conferences would be at more than 10. Having more than 10 does help getting teams in the tourney.
Wait until the FB conferences sort themselves out and then see what's available. Don't jump too soon.
RE: Expansion to 12 - DFW HOYA - 07-03-2015 10:13 PM
Unless and until UConn wants to come on board, three are no imminent candidates.
RE: Expansion to 12 - OhioBobcatJohn - 12-18-2015 10:37 PM
Incarnate Word
RE: Expansion to 12 - OneSockUp - 12-23-2015 09:21 AM
(06-18-2015 09:48 AM)stever20 Wrote: So 9 of the other 10 conferences would be at more than 10. Having more than 10 does help getting teams in the tourney.That's a misnomer. The BE has gotten 40% and 60% of its teams into the Tournament in its first two years and is poised to get at least 50% this year.
That's a higher clip than the old Big East was getting with 16 teams, and a better rate than the SEC and ACC with 14 and 15 teams or the Big Ten with 12 teams. In fact the only league that's outpacing the Big East is the ten-team Big 12.
Unless and until UConn comes to its senses and comes crawling back to the Big East, there isn't any combination of two schools that would make any sense for the Big East.
RE: Expansion to 12 - stever20 - 12-23-2015 09:45 AM
last few years of the big Big East-
2013 8/15- with a 9th in UConn that would have gotten in if not on probation
2012 9/16
2011 11/16
2010 8/16
I think 2 things as well now-
1- Big 12 expands could change the entire dynamic
2- AAC may only get 1 in this year. I think that could change the UConn dynamic quite a bit.
RE: Expansion to 12 - OneSockUp - 12-23-2015 10:42 AM
(12-23-2015 09:45 AM)stever20 Wrote: last few years of the big Big East-That's fair: The old Big East was on a par or slightly better than the new version in terms of getting teams to the dance. The other four major conferences, though, are all having a lower rate than the two ten-team leagues.
2013 8/15- with a 9th in UConn that would have gotten in if not on probation
2012 9/16
2011 11/16
2010 8/16
I think 2 things as well now-
1- Big 12 expands could change the entire dynamic
2- AAC may only get 1 in this year. I think that could change the UConn dynamic quite a bit.
I don't think enough high-up people care about basketball for any Big 12 expansion to shake up what the Big East does. This isn't like football where having fewer than 12 teams really changes a dynamic because of a championship game. A complete double round-robin schedule is perfect for basketball and it doesn't put anyone at any advantage or relative disadvantage like that 12th team in college football does.
The only way I see the Big East expanding is if Fox offers to up the per-team ante and the two teams they would add make sense. UConn and VCU might be that combination, but could that really mean $10 million more in revenue for Fox? And if it doesn't, would it make sense for anyone?
RE: Expansion to 12 - stever20 - 12-23-2015 11:08 AM
I think UConn/VCU absolutely could get that much more revenue. For one have to remember that would mean UConn's WBB team as well- which is pretty big.
RE: Expansion to 12 - gosports1 - 12-23-2015 10:36 PM
its about time we started talking about expansion and realignment!
RE: Expansion to 12 - GoldenWarrior11 - 12-26-2015 04:06 PM
UConn is a pipe dream. Unless they decide to do something with football - which the Big East will not gamble on for the sake of 1, 5, 10 years of them being a member (or until they get poached by the B1G/ACC) - they simply are not a fit. The C7 spent years being a part of the football problem. They won't re-add the football problem just for the sake of adding UConn.
As cathartic as it would be for UConn to come home to the Big East, I believe we are past that point. Hope I'm wrong, though.
RE: Expansion to 12 - OneSockUp - 12-28-2015 10:10 AM
(12-26-2015 04:06 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: UConn is a pipe dream. Unless they decide to do something with football - which the Big East will not gamble on for the sake of 1, 5, 10 years of them being a member (or until they get poached by the B1G/ACC) - they simply are not a fit. The C7 spent years being a part of the football problem. They won't re-add the football problem just for the sake of adding UConn.How long can their football dream go on, though? Nobody cares and it's a money pit. This is the stadium of their bowl game while the game was being played!
As cathartic as it would be for UConn to come home to the Big East, I believe we are past that point. Hope I'm wrong, though.
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RE: Expansion to 12 - GoldenWarrior11 - 12-28-2015 06:39 PM
UConn has put way too much money and investment into its football program for them to abandon it altogether or de-emphasize it at this point in time. In 10-15 years from now, perhaps the landscape has changed, and perhaps the university gets an alternative viewpoint in new leadership where they choose to go in a different direction.
However, as of today, their priority is to get into a P5 conference - whether that is the B1G, the ACC or even the Big 12. You need a respectable and competitive football program to that however. They have pumped money into their athletic facilities, coaching staffs and football program in general over the past few seasons in order to attain that. If UConn has a year like Houston/Temple did this year, then they immediately get bumped to the top of the G5-to-P5 listing (and perhaps become a force-add to the B1G/ACC). It may be a long-shot, or it may be inevitable, but, in either case, it forces UConn to be in wait-and-see mode.
From the Big East side, the conference can afford to wait that long. Our contract with Fox doesn't end until 2024 (which means a renegotiation won't occur until after 2020), and the league doesn't need more teams. The round-robin format has been an absolute joy for all of the schools, as it builds rivalries, helps conference SOS, and creates premier match-ups. Finally, and frankly, other than a UConn, there are no schools worth adding as of today. They can wait and see how the college football landscape further changes, and deal from a position of strength rather than weakness. For years, the old Big East would deal as a reactionary force (adding members only when they lost schools). Now, they have leverage - and can be selective and decisive in inviting any new members.