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More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - Big Ron Buckeye - 05-20-2015 11:59 AM
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/rutgers/2015/05/18/rutgers-fare-first-year-big-ten/27509835/
Reading about Rutgers first year in the B1G and found this nugget...
"Indiana, Purdue and Rutgers, which didn't advance out of the quarterfinals in any Big Ten tournament, are the only schools which failed to win a Big Ten title in either regular-season or postseason play in 2014-15."
Rutgers I can understand. They haven't had B1G money for the last 100+ years. They don't fully fund all of their scholarships because of said lack of funding. Rutgers has a long way to go but at least they took care of business in Football.
Tell me why both schools in the state of Indiana are listed alongside Rutgers? Okay Notre Dame casts a big shadow but no B1G championships?!? That is totally inexcusable! So here's an idea... Since Indiana does have 5 National Titles in hoops and is the state's namesake university. Why don't the powers that be at Purdue go out like a samurai and just fall on the knife and give your spot to UConn? Seriously, if youre not going to put in the work and resources to be competitive just deemphasize athletics like the University of Chicago and the Ivy League.
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - SeaBlue - 05-22-2015 06:52 PM
(05-20-2015 11:59 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: Why don't the powers that be at Purdue go out like a samurai and just fall on the knife and give your spot to UConn?
So if you give the vacated win to Purdue, Purdue has taken 3 of the last 5 over tOSU in football.
UConn figures not to fare as well. So, now we all know "the rest of the story". :)
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - JRsec - 05-25-2015 02:52 PM
(05-22-2015 06:52 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:(05-20-2015 11:59 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: Why don't the powers that be at Purdue go out like a samurai and just fall on the knife and give your spot to UConn?
So if you give the vacated win to Purdue, Purdue has taken 3 of the last 5 over tOSU in football.
UConn figures not to fare as well. So, now we all know "the rest of the story". :)
Let Purdue join N.D. in the ACC. That gives them 16. Then you can add Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State to get to 16. The SEC can add Oklahoma State and one of Baylor, Texas Tech, or West Virginia to get to 16. You guys want Kansas and Oklahoma at least according to H1, and Iowa State has to be a better option athletically than Purdue. Texas can take two of Baylor, T.C.U., and Texas along with 1 other remaining to the PAC. Realignment is done and the P4 champs only model begins.
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - He1nousOne - 05-25-2015 03:40 PM
(05-25-2015 02:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:(05-22-2015 06:52 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:(05-20-2015 11:59 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: Why don't the powers that be at Purdue go out like a samurai and just fall on the knife and give your spot to UConn?
So if you give the vacated win to Purdue, Purdue has taken 3 of the last 5 over tOSU in football.
UConn figures not to fare as well. So, now we all know "the rest of the story". :)
Let Purdue join N.D. in the ACC. That gives them 16. Then you can add Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State to get to 16. The SEC can add Oklahoma State and one of Baylor, Texas Tech, or West Virginia to get to 16. You guys want Kansas and Oklahoma at least according to H1, and Iowa State has to be a better option athletically than Purdue. Texas can take two of Baylor, T.C.U., and Texas along with 1 other remaining to the PAC. Realignment is done and the P4 champs only model begins.
I appreciate the concept and I could be wrong about this but it is my understanding that The Big Ten is not in the business of kicking anyone out. The relationships between the Institutions is very personal and have been built up through the decades. Even newer employees, students and anyone else affiliated with the Universities comes to understand the interdependent nature that belies the strength of The Big Ten.
Purdue is a strong University and has been a strong member of the conference.
Your solution is a sound one on paper but I don't see something like that happening.
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - JRsec - 05-25-2015 03:42 PM
(05-25-2015 03:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(05-25-2015 02:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:(05-22-2015 06:52 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:(05-20-2015 11:59 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: Why don't the powers that be at Purdue go out like a samurai and just fall on the knife and give your spot to UConn?
So if you give the vacated win to Purdue, Purdue has taken 3 of the last 5 over tOSU in football.
UConn figures not to fare as well. So, now we all know "the rest of the story". :)
Let Purdue join N.D. in the ACC. That gives them 16. Then you can add Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State to get to 16. The SEC can add Oklahoma State and one of Baylor, Texas Tech, or West Virginia to get to 16. You guys want Kansas and Oklahoma at least according to H1, and Iowa State has to be a better option athletically than Purdue. Texas can take two of Baylor, T.C.U., and Texas along with 1 other remaining to the PAC. Realignment is done and the P4 champs only model begins.
I appreciate the concept and I could be wrong about this but it is my understanding that The Big Ten is not in the business of kicking anyone out. The relationships between the Institutions is very personal and have been built up through the decades. Even newer employees, students and anyone else affiliated with the Universities comes to understand the interdependent nature that belies the strength of The Big Ten.
Purdue is a strong University and has been a strong member of the conference.
Your solution is a sound one on paper but I don't see something like that happening.
Me either, but I thought the proposition might accomplish two things. End the abasing of Purdue in conversation and / or generate discussion.
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - GE and MTS - 05-25-2015 04:23 PM
I don't think the Big Ten would or should get rid of any current member. Just too much history. Even though Purdue seems the most redundant, they do serve a purpose. I wouldn't expect the Big Ten to try to go after them today if they weren't part of the conference but that's just the nature of today as opposed to the nature 100 years ago when Purdue joined the Big Ten but you could make that case for Northwestern and perhaps even Michigan State. Doubling up in a state helps keeps both schools from reaching full potential for the most part. If one of the North Carolina schools changed conferences, I think that would really set them apart and put them over the top much like what Texas A&M is having at this moment. Look at Iowa and Iowa State; they are both very respectable programs in separate conferences but if they were together, I believe both would suffer. Look what happened to Miami when they joined the ACC. They fell from their elite status and are still trying to recover while Florida State fell into mediocrity until the last three seasons. That's even with the state of Florida being one of the best recruiting hotspots.
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - Transic_nyc - 05-25-2015 08:57 PM
I don't think having two schools from the same state in a conference would necessarily mean both have to suffer or even one. Correlation is not causation, as the old saying goes. I also agree that Purdue won't be kicked out. But if we're going to do this little exercise I think it should go like this:
Purdue and UConn to ACC
Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State to Big Ten
Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and TCU to PAC
Baylor and WVU to SEC
Texas gets a ND-type deal with ACC
Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa State
Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan
Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland
Baylor, TAMU, Arkansas, LSU
Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee
Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina
Purdue, Louisville, Pitt, Virginia Tech
Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, NC State
Syracuse, UConn, Boston College, Miami
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Florida State
Washington State, Oregon State, Oregon, Washington
California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Arizona State, Arizona, Utah, Colorado
Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
RE: More proof we have 1 too many teams in Indiana. - ohio1317 - 05-27-2015 03:01 PM
Purdue is a great member of the conference. They wouldn't have been added if the conference was forming today, but so what? Every conference has legacy members who don't fit the current media driven addition requirements.
We've had great games with Purdue. Rutgers and Maryland might be better going forward, but it will take me a decade to get as us up for them as I do for Purdue, because I remember so many good games with the Boilermakers. They could always seem to beat you/keep it close even in years Ohio State was vastly superior.
Given Ohio State already is now using up 3 of its soon to be 9 conference games on east coast schools, I'd much rather keep Purdue on the rotation than add yet another east coast school that we would doubtless end up in a division with.