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Central Athletic Conference - CAJUNNATION - 05-15-2015 12:20 PM
CAC
NORTH
Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Toledo
Bowling Green
Ohio
SOUTH
Wichita State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Arkansas State
Texas State
Louisiana
South Alabama
UAB
6 MVC - keep autobid, 5 MAC, 4 SBC, UAB
That's 9 current FBS, Missouri State on deck, other possibilities.
This would, at least, be on a par with CUSA and be a 2 or 3 bid league in basketball. Tourney in St. Louis.
Any takers?
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Stay Cool - 05-15-2015 12:22 PM
Oh god... ewwww. I mean yeah it's on par with CUSA but who wants to be on par with the ugly red headed step child? Poor NIU...
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Wedge - 05-15-2015 12:26 PM
I don't think the autobid rules for basketball and other sports work that way. The continuity rule about teams being together was changed (to save the WAC's basketball autobid) several years ago.
Also, I think the rule, however it reads now, is for existing conferences going through membership changes. New conferences don't get autobids right away unless the NCAA makes an exception for them, as they did for the Big East/AAC divorce.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - MJG - 05-15-2015 12:36 PM
(05-15-2015 12:20 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote: CAC
NORTH
Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Toledo
Bowling Green
Ohio
SOUTH
Wichita State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Arkansas State
Texas State
Louisiana
South Alabama
UAB
6 MVC - keep autobid, 5 MAC, 4 SBC, UAB
That's 9 current FBS, Missouri State on deck, other possibilities.
This would, at least, be on a par with CUSA and be a 2 or 3 bid league in basketball. Tourney in St. Louis.
Any takers?
Most of these schools would probably be happy if it was possible .
Where do you have the other MVC schools going ?
We need a two year window to reshuffle the conference deck.
Most would probably be happy as long as no school could be left out.
Would the seven MAC and SBC teams join together ?
Central Athletic Conference - CyrusJS - 05-15-2015 01:36 PM
"The Cack." Fitting.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - NoDak - 05-15-2015 02:33 PM
(05-15-2015 12:26 PM)Wedge Wrote: I don't think the autobid rules for basketball and other sports work that way. The continuity rule about teams being together was changed (to save the WAC's basketball autobid) several years ago.An existing autobid conference could lose all members but one, then add six or seven more and still maintain its autobid. The WAC is still alive, even though only NMSU has continuity. The American retained the old Big East autobid though it didn't have continuity.
Also, I think the rule, however it reads now, is for existing conferences going through membership changes. New conferences don't get autobids right away unless the NCAA makes an exception for them, as they did for the Big East/AAC divorce.
But a new conference has to have continuity of seven years before an autobid gets granted. The new Big East had continuity with the old Big East catholic members, which was why they got a bid immediately.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Wedge - 05-15-2015 02:38 PM
(05-15-2015 02:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:(05-15-2015 12:26 PM)Wedge Wrote: I don't think the autobid rules for basketball and other sports work that way. The continuity rule about teams being together was changed (to save the WAC's basketball autobid) several years ago.An existing autobid conference could lose all members but one, then add six or seven more and still maintain its autobid. The WAC is still alive, as only NMSU has continuity.
Also, I think the rule, however it reads now, is for existing conferences going through membership changes. New conferences don't get autobids right away unless the NCAA makes an exception for them, as they did for the Big East/AAC divorce.
Bu
Ok, that's how they changed the rule to save the WAC's autobid. But what the OP is proposing is a new conference from scratch, for which that rule doesn't apply.
The MVC could keep its autobid if all but one team left and the one remaining team invited several new schools into the existing MVC. But 6 MVC teams can't depart to form a brand-new conference (with or without others) and get an autobid from day one, unless the NCAA grants them a waiver.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - NoDak - 05-15-2015 02:40 PM
(05-15-2015 12:20 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote: CAC
NORTH
Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Toledo
Bowling Green
Ohio
SOUTH
Wichita State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Arkansas State
Texas State
Louisiana
South Alabama
UAB
6 MVC - keep autobid, 5 MAC, 4 SBC, UAB
That's 9 current FBS, Missouri State on deck, other possibilities.
This would, at least, be on a par with CUSA and be a 2 or 3 bid league in basketball. Tourney in St. Louis.
Any takers?
It would lose out on the CFP money, as it wouldn't be a signatory party.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - NoDak - 05-15-2015 02:48 PM
(05-15-2015 02:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:(05-15-2015 02:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:(05-15-2015 12:26 PM)Wedge Wrote: I don't think the autobid rules for basketball and other sports work that way. The continuity rule about teams being together was changed (to save the WAC's basketball autobid) several years ago.An existing autobid conference could lose all members but one, then add six or seven more and still maintain its autobid. The WAC is still alive, as only NMSU has continuity.
Also, I think the rule, however it reads now, is for existing conferences going through membership changes. New conferences don't get autobids right away unless the NCAA makes an exception for them, as they did for the Big East/AAC divorce.
Bu
Ok, that's how they changed the rule to save the WAC's autobid. But what the OP is proposing is a new conference from scratch, for which that rule doesn't apply.
The MVC could keep its autobid if all but one team left and the one remaining team invited several new schools into the existing MVC. But 6 MVC teams can't depart to form a brand-new conference (with or without others) and get an autobid from day one, unless the NCAA grants them a waiver.
If either the MVC or MAC had seven schools split off, it would be an autobid conference in the NCAAs eyes. The FBS situation becomes clearer when eight existing FBS teams join a conference to make it FBS. FCS teams couldn't be called up until the conference was officially FBS. It still wouldn't qualify for CFP money until the next contract was signed, barring litigation.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - NoDak - 05-15-2015 02:59 PM
Tend to believe that a new Southwest Conference will form from CUSA-west:
UTEP
UTSA
Rice
North Texas
LA Tech
USM
UAB - needed for a 7th continuity member
Texas St
Ark St
ULL
USA
Mo St
If it was done shortly before a new CFP contract, they wouldn't lose any money.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - goofus - 05-15-2015 03:01 PM
And here I thought this was going to be a thread about a proposed name change for the Big 12. But I guess Big Central would work better for a P5 conference.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Side Show Joe - 05-15-2015 05:00 PM
(05-15-2015 02:59 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tend to believe that a new Southwest Conference will form from CUSA-west:
UTEP
UTSA
Rice
North Texas
LA Tech
USM
UAB - needed for a 7th continuity member
Texas St
Ark St
ULL
USA
Mo St
If it was done shortly before a new CFP contract, they wouldn't lose any money.
This will not happen. C-USA West is better off with C-USA East. No way we would turn our backs on the East, or our current bowl line-up, just to conference with that collection of programs. I have nothing against them, I just don't believe we would gain anything, and I think C-USA has the foundation to be a really solid conference, if we can just keep stability.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - CurveItAround - 05-15-2015 05:41 PM
Central Athletic Conference Association has a nice ring to it.
;-)
RE: Central Athletic Conference - BamaScorpio69 - 05-15-2015 07:06 PM
(05-15-2015 12:20 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote: CAC
NORTH
Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Toledo
Bowling Green
Ohio
SOUTH
Wichita State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Arkansas State
Texas State
Louisiana
South Alabama
UAB
6 MVC - keep autobid, 5 MAC, 4 SBC, UAB
That's 9 current FBS, Missouri State on deck, other possibilities.
This would, at least, be on a par with CUSA and be a 2 or 3 bid league in basketball. Tourney in St. Louis.
Any takers?
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RE: Central Athletic Conference - Native Georgian - 05-15-2015 07:11 PM
More likely that Texas State would simply join the existing C-USA Western Division
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Kittonhead - 05-15-2015 10:16 PM
First off there are some assumptions about a MVC-MAC-SBC merger.
1) CUSA schools will not leave CUSA because of a large exit fee.
2) The MVC would be willing to look beyond its current geographic boundaries for members.
3) An MVC TV deal would be in place that is attractive enough to entice MAC-SBC members.
I think on all 3 points its really hard to say if the fulcrum will be there to make any such conference viable.
If there was a triggering event such as massive P5/G5 realignment right before a FBS/FCS Division 1 split that maybe MVC schools will be motivated in desperation to try it.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Kittonhead - 05-16-2015 09:48 AM
Texas State some have said is the front runner for that CUSA opening. Let's assume they are gone to the SBC, leaving the SBC with 8 all sport and 10 FB playing schools.
A triggering event happens. The P5 votes in for itself a rule that to be an FBS conference you must have 12 all sport members.
The B12 expands. They add Cincinnati and Memphis to get back to 12. The AAC is forced to go to 14 since they have Navy as part of their membership. They add Buffalo, UMass, Charlotte and Army FB only to get to 14 FB/12 basketball.
This leaves the MAC at 11 schools with needing a 12th ready to go FBS school to stay in business. They've been cut off from the East with Buffalo leaving.
CUSA steps in sensing the MAC's panic and takes 3 MAC schools (Toledo, NIU, Akron) to move to 16.
Now the MAC is really in trouble with only 8 all sport members and the SBC also has only 8 members. The MVC has a group of schools in Wichita St, Missouri St, Illinois St and Northern Iowa that could be ready to go for an FBS conference but they do not want to leave the sanctuary of the Valley.
What then could make sense is a Super MVC. Add 5 MAC schools (WMU, Ball St, BGSU, Miami, Ohio) together with 3 western based MVC schools (NMSU, ULL, AState) and with 4 FCS upgrades (Wichita St, Missouri St, Illinois St, UNI) to create a viable 12 team FBS conference.
Super MVC FB:
MVC East: Illinois St, Western Michigan, Ball State, Ohio, Bowling Green, Miami
MVC West: Northern Iowa, Missouri St, Wichita St, Arkansas St, ULL, NMSU
Louisiana and New Mexico State would be outliers but their sports make them attractive enough to have in the conference.
The MAC would be left with 3 schools (CMU, EMU, Kent St) and unable to rebuild. Knowing EMU and KSU the would likely just give up football and join the Horizon League. CMU would have to join the Summit and FB Only to the SBC.
The SBC would be down to ULM, Troy, USA, Georgia Southern, App State. They could probably stay in business with EKU, Liberty and Chattanooga with Central Michigan FB Only. Idaho may pull the plug on FBS at this point.
I can't see the MVC attracting FBS schools unless there is a triggering event that causes the MAC to break apart. Its more likely the MAC will slowly engulf the MVC adding Illinois State as a replacement for Buffalo and possibly Northern Iowa or Missouri State at some point if NIU was to move on.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Kittonhead - 05-16-2015 09:58 AM
If the MAC loses members piecemeal it should have no problem surviving.
Buffalo (AAC)-Replaced by James Madison
NIU (AAC)-Replaced by Illinois State
Toledo (CUSA)-Replaced by Delaware
Akron (CUSA)-Replaced by Northern Iowa
MAC-12
MAC East: Delaware, JMU, Ohio, Kent St, Miami, Bowling Green
MAC West: Northern Iowa, Illinois St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU
In some respects a MAC with Buffalo, NIU, Toledo and Akron leaving would be better than one with them staying. I don't think another conference could say the same after losing its 4 most attractive realignment candidates.
RE: Central Athletic Conference - Lord Stanley - 05-18-2015 09:40 AM
If someone had the foresight to put all these teams together in the 1960 and each of these teams progressed to true FBS football, this would be a nice northern portion of a Midwestern athletics conference.
Quote:Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Toledo
Bowling Green
Ball State
Ohio
Better yet, how about a recommitment to football by UIC and UWM?
Quote:Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
Western Michigan
Ball State
Illinois-Chicago
Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Toledo
Bowling Green
UIC vs UWM. 1969
RE: Central Athletic Conference - NestaKnight1 - 05-18-2015 11:16 AM
(05-15-2015 05:41 PM)CurveItAround Wrote: Central Athletic Conference Association has a nice ring to it.
;-)
Lol! Too funny.
