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Student athletes - colohank - 04-10-2015 08:31 AM
Seven UK student athletes to enter NBA draft, and after Cal reloads, there'll probably be another seven next year. How does he get away with it?
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2015/04/09/kentucky-wildcats-aaron-andrew-harrison-nba-draft/25505603/
RE: Student athletes - Coopdaddy67 - 04-10-2015 08:37 AM
Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
RE: Student athletes - JackieTreehorn - 04-10-2015 08:46 AM
(04-10-2015 08:37 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote: Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
When you say jump from HS, do you mean straight to an NBA roster or to a d-league team? If the latter, it would be a big drain on college talent. A lot of kids are good enough to play d-league for a few years. With the small rosters and competition from overseas players, most will never have an NBA career of any substance.
RE: Student athletes - mptnstr@44 - 04-10-2015 09:00 AM
(04-10-2015 08:37 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote: Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
I agree. This needs to be fixed to follow the MLB with a true minor league for those who go pro and 3 yr requirement if you choose college.
The way the rule exists now we have athlete/students who really have no intention at all of being students, taking the bare minimum course load to only stay eligible to play for the required year in college and then jump to the NBA. It's a joke. If a kid would rather be a professional athlete they should go pro straight out of HS rather than make a mockery of college athletics. There might be a slight dip in talent at the college level but if it works like the MLB there would still be plenty of fine baseball players who choose to play in college rather than go pro out of HS. I'd rather have the slight dip in talent than the joke we have now with schools like UK.
Someone will say that the kids who aren't ready for the NBA and choose to go pro after HS will suffer for their decision. Same could be said for the kid who chooses to go pro in baseball out of HS and languishes in A or AA baseball. Too bad so sad. Life is full of decisions and repercussions for them.
If kids aren't allowed to go pro out of HS then there needs to be a much more severe penalty for low grad rates to thwart schools like UK who are making a mockery out of college athletics with their use of the one and dones.
RE: Student athletes - dossbig - 04-10-2015 09:05 AM
The NBA & Union need to adopt the MLB or NBA model. Not everyone should go to college. Don't want college do the D League thing or overseas.
RE: Student athletes - coachpipe - 04-10-2015 09:06 AM
History is bound to repeat it self. Give it time. UMass and Memphis will catch back up to him
RE: Student athletes - qsilvr2531 - 04-10-2015 09:06 AM
(04-10-2015 09:00 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:(04-10-2015 08:37 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote: Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
I agree. This needs to be fixed to follow the MLB with a true minor league for those who go pro and 3 yr requirement if you choose college.
The way the rule exists now we have athlete/students who really have no intention at all of being students, taking the bare minimum course load to only stay eligible to play for the required year in college and then jump to the NBA. It's a joke. If a kid would rather be a professional athlete they should go pro straight out of HS rather than make a mockery of college athletics. There might be a slight dip in talent at the college level but if it works like the MLB there would still be plenty of fine baseball players who choose to play in college rather than go pro out of HS. I'd rather have the slight dip in talent than the joke we have now with schools like UK.
Someone will say that the kids who aren't ready for the NBA and choose to go pro after HS will suffer for their decision. Same could be said for the kid who chooses to go pro in baseball out of HS and languishes in A or AA baseball. Too bad so sad. Life is full of decisions and repercussions for them.
If kids aren't allowed to go pro out of HS then there needs to be a much more severe penalty for low grad rates to thwart schools like UK who are making a mockery out of college athletics with their use of the one and dones.
MLB has a tuition program for players that leave straight out of high school and languish in A or AA baseball.
Basketball has no incentive to invest the money into a true minor league system as long as college basketball acts as one for them. The NBA created the rule that makes players one and done. They prefer that system to one where high schoolers jump straight to a professional league.
RE: Student athletes - rath v2.0 - 04-10-2015 09:07 AM
The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
RE: Student athletes - jarr - 04-10-2015 09:10 AM
(04-10-2015 09:06 AM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:00 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:(04-10-2015 08:37 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote: Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
I agree. This needs to be fixed to follow the MLB with a true minor league for those who go pro and 3 yr requirement if you choose college.
The way the rule exists now we have athlete/students who really have no intention at all of being students, taking the bare minimum course load to only stay eligible to play for the required year in college and then jump to the NBA. It's a joke. If a kid would rather be a professional athlete they should go pro straight out of HS rather than make a mockery of college athletics. There might be a slight dip in talent at the college level but if it works like the MLB there would still be plenty of fine baseball players who choose to play in college rather than go pro out of HS. I'd rather have the slight dip in talent than the joke we have now with schools like UK.
Someone will say that the kids who aren't ready for the NBA and choose to go pro after HS will suffer for their decision. Same could be said for the kid who chooses to go pro in baseball out of HS and languishes in A or AA baseball. Too bad so sad. Life is full of decisions and repercussions for them.
If kids aren't allowed to go pro out of HS then there needs to be a much more severe penalty for low grad rates to thwart schools like UK who are making a mockery out of college athletics with their use of the one and dones.
MLB has a tuition program for players that leave straight out of high school and languish in A or AA baseball.
Basketball has no incentive to invest the money into a true minor league system as long as college basketball acts as one for them. The NBA created the rule that makes players one and done. They prefer that system to one where high schoolers jump straight to a professional league.
Something is going to have to change in the next 2 or 3 years. This current system is almost broken. It used to be, guys would only leave if they were a lotto pick, and usually after being in college about 2 years. Now guys are leaving that are 2nd round or undrafted. Calipari's problem is he doesn't actually develop players, he just showcases them. Once they stick around for 2 or 3 years all of their flaws are exposed.
RE: Student athletes - jarr - 04-10-2015 09:12 AM
(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
RE: Student athletes - bearcatmill - 04-10-2015 09:23 AM
(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
I would love to see their course load. Probably lots of basket weaving, fundamentals of golf, and history of rock and roll.
RE: Student athletes - JackieTreehorn - 04-10-2015 09:26 AM
(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
Well yeah, sure if you're on something like the Greg Oden curriculum it's easy to have a good GPA. I read he took the history of rock and roll music and sociology 101 during winter quarter.
BTW, funny we're bashing UK here. What about Duke? They pretty much followed the same model this year. That place is just as big a joke, maybe worse.
RE: Student athletes - bearcatmill - 04-10-2015 09:28 AM
(04-10-2015 09:26 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
Well yeah, sure if you're on something like the Greg Oden curriculum it's easy to have a good GPA. I read he took the history of rock and roll music and sociology 101 during winter quarter.
BTW, funny we're bashing UK here. What about Duke? They pretty much followed the same model this year. That place is just as big a joke, maybe worse.
Oden had a history of rock and roll course with a lab attached to it. Half of his credit hrs were wrapped up in one course.
Re: RE: Student athletes - RealDeal - 04-10-2015 09:30 AM
(04-10-2015 09:06 AM)qsilvr2531 Wrote: Basketball has no incentive to invest the money into a true minor league system as long as college basketball acts as one for them. The NBA created the rule that makes players one and done. They prefer that system to one where high schoolers jump straight to a professional league.
And the young men are the ones punished. The NBA saves money by not having a full minor league system and gains a lot of exposure for their incoming players. The players can benefit from it or be hurt by it. Take for example the Harrison twins. Every minute they've played has been highly scrutinized to the point they're either going in the second round or not at all. Had they gone into the minor league they probably would have been drafted higher and have two years worth of paychecks in the bank.
The players are taking a big risk by not being able to go straight to the pros and the NBA is taking ZERO risk.
RE: Student athletes - dossbig - 04-10-2015 10:09 AM
(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
No school should offer these garbage courses to anyone. I never took a crap course since I had to earn my tuition. Why would I work to pay for crap.
RE: Student athletes - OneUChoopsfan - 04-10-2015 10:22 AM
(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:So they're great basketball players & smart too?(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
RE: Student athletes - BearcatMan - 04-10-2015 10:24 AM
(04-10-2015 10:22 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:So they're great basketball players & smart too?(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
Everyone is smart when the only question they have to answer is...
"Name: ________________________________"
RE: Student athletes - BearcatBeta - 04-10-2015 10:30 AM
(04-10-2015 10:09 AM)dossbig Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
No school should offer these garbage courses to anyone. I never took a crap course since I had to earn my tuition. Why would I work to pay for crap.
Doss..do u know the UK councellor/ academic advisor/ ?? Did the Harrison's share their schedule with you? Seems like you are making assumptions that may not be true.
Pretty similar IMO to UK and other fans calling UC players THUGS.
I don't doubt that Major College BB players (Including BEARCATS) take a softer schedule
in season, but UK is a quality school and has ACADEMIC standards.
RE: Student athletes - richardk - 04-10-2015 10:33 AM
(04-10-2015 09:26 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:12 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The farce is that all of these kids leaving early does not hurt their NCAA APR in the database.
If UC lost 7 kids early we would be on scholarship reduction for years.
What's even more laughable is the GPA's of all of the KY players. I saw a graphic earlier this year and almost all of these one and doners had GPA's above 3.0 and some as higher than 3.5.
Well yeah, sure if you're on something like the Greg Oden curriculum it's easy to have a good GPA. I read he took the history of rock and roll music and sociology 101 during winter quarter.
BTW, funny we're bashing UK here. What about Duke? They pretty much followed the same model this year. That place is just as big a joke, maybe worse.
Duke IS worse, if only because they claim "elite" academic status. At least UK doesn't pretend to be the "Harvard of the South." I lived in Louisville for almost 25 years, and when my daughter graduated from what was then probably the highest academic ranked public high school in the state, not a single one of the top students even applied to UK (and UofL was even farther down the list). On the other hand her best friend went to Duke (& is now an associate prof @ Harvard) - so when Coach K comes up with 2/3 McD AA's every year that is, indeed, a great deal more hypocritical than UK. UK has been known to cheat, their coach has left cheating wreckage at every school he's been at - so you simply expect it. But the holier than though ACC - after the UNC expose why should we believe that Duke doesn't do the exact same thing.
RE: Student athletes - qsilvr2531 - 04-10-2015 10:36 AM
(04-10-2015 09:10 AM)jarr Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:06 AM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:(04-10-2015 09:00 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:(04-10-2015 08:37 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote: Because there's nothing wrong with it? Unfortunately, UC and 98% of the other college basketball schools aren't the type that can take advantage of this situation.
IMO, college basketball and the NBA should follow the same model as college baseball and MLB. Allow anyone to jump straight from high school, but if you attend a 4-year college, you're required to stay for 3 years.
I agree. This needs to be fixed to follow the MLB with a true minor league for those who go pro and 3 yr requirement if you choose college.
The way the rule exists now we have athlete/students who really have no intention at all of being students, taking the bare minimum course load to only stay eligible to play for the required year in college and then jump to the NBA. It's a joke. If a kid would rather be a professional athlete they should go pro straight out of HS rather than make a mockery of college athletics. There might be a slight dip in talent at the college level but if it works like the MLB there would still be plenty of fine baseball players who choose to play in college rather than go pro out of HS. I'd rather have the slight dip in talent than the joke we have now with schools like UK.
Someone will say that the kids who aren't ready for the NBA and choose to go pro after HS will suffer for their decision. Same could be said for the kid who chooses to go pro in baseball out of HS and languishes in A or AA baseball. Too bad so sad. Life is full of decisions and repercussions for them.
If kids aren't allowed to go pro out of HS then there needs to be a much more severe penalty for low grad rates to thwart schools like UK who are making a mockery out of college athletics with their use of the one and dones.
MLB has a tuition program for players that leave straight out of high school and languish in A or AA baseball.
Basketball has no incentive to invest the money into a true minor league system as long as college basketball acts as one for them. The NBA created the rule that makes players one and done. They prefer that system to one where high schoolers jump straight to a professional league.
Something is going to have to change in the next 2 or 3 years. This current system is almost broken. It used to be, guys would only leave if they were a lotto pick, and usually after being in college about 2 years. Now guys are leaving that are 2nd round or undrafted. Calipari's problem is he doesn't actually develop players, he just showcases them. Once they stick around for 2 or 3 years all of their flaws are exposed.
It's broken for the NCAA but the NCAA can't change the NBA's rules. The NBA is perfectly fine with the current system. The biggest complaint from the NBA side is that college basketball doesn't prepare players for the NBA but that isn't close to a big enough issue right now to get the NBA to invest a ton of resources into a minor league beyond what the D-league provides.
If the NCAA wants to fix the problem the solution is simple, punish teams whose players leave early. APR doesn't really do this. But for the to work the NCAA would have to be willing to significantly punish top teams and they'd have to be willing to upset top players and coaches. They aren't willing to do either.