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Greek Counterclaim - HeartOfDixie - 04-07-2015 02:28 PM
"You owe us for Nazi Occupation"
But, credit where credit is due, I will give that an A for effort.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - shiftyeagle - 04-07-2015 03:09 PM
Desperation is a stinky cologne.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - Crebman - 04-07-2015 03:19 PM
(04-07-2015 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: "You owe us for Nazi Occupation"
But, credit where credit is due, I will give that an A for effort.
I wonder if any other countries will sue Greece for wars back to antiquity?
RE: Greek Counterclaim - WoodlandsOwl - 04-07-2015 04:46 PM
(04-07-2015 03:19 PM)Crebman Wrote:(04-07-2015 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: "You owe us for Nazi Occupation"
But, credit where credit is due, I will give that an A for effort.
I wonder if any other countries will sue Greece for wars back to antiquity?
Iran will sue for the War Crimes of Alexander the Great.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - UConn-SMU - 04-07-2015 04:46 PM
When all else fails, call your opponent a Nazi.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - Kaplony - 04-07-2015 04:58 PM
(04-07-2015 04:46 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: When all else fails, call your opponent a Nazi.
Well, the Greece has a leftist government so evidently the leftist playbook from here is printed in Greek as well.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - WoodlandsOwl - 04-07-2015 05:22 PM
(04-07-2015 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(04-07-2015 04:46 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: When all else fails, call your opponent a Nazi.
Well, the Greece has a leftist government so evidently the leftist playbook from here is printed in Greek as well.
There is a deal in the works to allow Russia a Port in Cyprus. That will get them tossed out of NATO.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - vandiver49 - 04-07-2015 06:51 PM
(04-07-2015 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: "You owe us for Nazi Occupation"
But, credit where credit is due, I will give that an A for effort.
Yeah I saw this a few weeks ago. You have to applaud the stones it took to roll that one out.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - UCF08 - 04-08-2015 12:52 AM
(04-07-2015 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(04-07-2015 04:46 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: When all else fails, call your opponent a Nazi.
Well, the Greece has a leftist government so evidently the leftist playbook from here is printed in Greek as well.
Greece is actually being more and more influenced by right wing policies. Like, reallllly far right wing policies.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - Machiavelli - 04-08-2015 05:55 AM
UCF's article states that they are gaining in popularity. Although interesting in a trivial matter obviously Golden Dawn has had zero effect on public policy to this date. Stay in your lane. You're all over the place. As usual.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - VA49er - 04-08-2015 09:19 AM
(04-07-2015 03:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote: Desperation is a stinky cologne.
Yeah, makes one wonder why Greece didn't do this right after the war. Oh well, Greece is in no position to dictate anything to Germany.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - shiftyeagle - 04-08-2015 10:39 AM
(04-08-2015 09:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:(04-07-2015 03:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote: Desperation is a stinky cologne.
Yeah, makes one wonder why Greece didn't do this right after the war. Oh well, Greece is in no position to dictate anything to Germany.
They've dug their own graves. Moronic extreme-leftist economic policy has put them in this situation.
Once the Greeks realize they're a piss-ant in Europe the better off they'll be.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - HeartOfDixie - 04-08-2015 01:48 PM
I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the Greeks.
Did they **** up? Yes.
Who put them in that position and has benefited greatly from doing so?
RE: Greek Counterclaim - VA49er - 04-08-2015 01:48 PM
(04-08-2015 10:39 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:(04-08-2015 09:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:(04-07-2015 03:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote: Desperation is a stinky cologne.
Yeah, makes one wonder why Greece didn't do this right after the war. Oh well, Greece is in no position to dictate anything to Germany.
They've dug their own graves. Moronic extreme-leftist economic policy has put them in this situation.
Once the Greeks realize they're a piss-ant in Europe the better off they'll be.
Just another example of screw-ups wanting someone else to pay for their mess.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - vandiver49 - 04-08-2015 01:52 PM
(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the Greeks.
Did they **** up? Yes.
Who put them in that position and has benefited greatly from doing so?
They answer to both is themselves. You could pin it on the Greek elite if you want to be more specific.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - HeartOfDixie - 04-08-2015 01:55 PM
(04-08-2015 01:52 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the Greeks.
Did they **** up? Yes.
Who put them in that position and has benefited greatly from doing so?
They answer to both is themselves. You could pin it on the Greek elite if you want to be more specific.
It's not.
The net effect of Greece's entry into the Euro was a massive wealth transfer from Greece, and other weak Euro economies, to Germany.
We have a short memory. Germany was seen as the sick man of Europe 10 years ago. The Euro fueled a debt fianced wealth transfer.
The Greeks are as much a victim of this as they are at fault. They overspent and wasted their money, on German goods primarily.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - VA49er - 04-08-2015 01:59 PM
(04-08-2015 01:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:52 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the Greeks.
Did they **** up? Yes.
Who put them in that position and has benefited greatly from doing so?
They answer to both is themselves. You could pin it on the Greek elite if you want to be more specific.
It's not.
The net effect of Greece's entry into the Euro was a massive wealth transfer from Greece, and other weak Euro economies, to Germany.
We have a short memory. Germany was seen as the sick man of Europe 10 years ago. The Euro fueled a debt fianced wealth transfer.
The Greeks are as much a victim of this as they are at fault. They overspent and wasted their money, on German goods primarily.
How that last part Germany's fault?
RE: Greek Counterclaim - vandiver49 - 04-08-2015 02:03 PM
(04-08-2015 01:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: It's not.
The net effect of Greece's entry into the Euro was a massive wealth transfer from Greece, and other weak Euro economies, to Germany.
We have a short memory. Germany was seen as the sick man of Europe 10 years ago. The Euro fueled a debt fianced wealth transfer.
The Greeks are as much a victim of this as they are at fault. They overspent and wasted their money, on German goods primarily.
Greece wanted into the EU for access to those German goods at a lower price and were willing to lie to do so. Then they built a lavish gov't service industry and made it rain with the 2004 Olympics. Germany's sickness was due to trying to bring East Germany up to speed during the reunification. Germany already had France, the Low Countries, the Baltics, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland to pawn it wares off on. Greece was just icing on the cake.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - HeartOfDixie - 04-08-2015 02:10 PM
(04-08-2015 01:59 PM)VA49er Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:52 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the Greeks.
Did they **** up? Yes.
Who put them in that position and has benefited greatly from doing so?
They answer to both is themselves. You could pin it on the Greek elite if you want to be more specific.
It's not.
The net effect of Greece's entry into the Euro was a massive wealth transfer from Greece, and other weak Euro economies, to Germany.
We have a short memory. Germany was seen as the sick man of Europe 10 years ago. The Euro fueled a debt fianced wealth transfer.
The Greeks are as much a victim of this as they are at fault. They overspent and wasted their money, on German goods primarily.
How that last part Germany's fault?
By handing them the credit card?
If I give my fiancé my credit card and she spend $50k is it my fault or hers? Or is it both?
I'm going with both.
The same applies here. The fact that Germany has benefited greatly from this is just the icing on the cake
Now, what do you think when it turns out that $50k was actually spent on legal fees and I collected that money? Now we have a whole different setup and one more like the Greek/German situation.
RE: Greek Counterclaim - HeartOfDixie - 04-08-2015 02:14 PM
(04-08-2015 02:03 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-08-2015 01:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: It's not.
The net effect of Greece's entry into the Euro was a massive wealth transfer from Greece, and other weak Euro economies, to Germany.
We have a short memory. Germany was seen as the sick man of Europe 10 years ago. The Euro fueled a debt fianced wealth transfer.
The Greeks are as much a victim of this as they are at fault. They overspent and wasted their money, on German goods primarily.
Greece wanted into the EU for access to those German goods at a lower price and were willing to lie to do so. Then they built a lavish gov't service industry and made it rain with the 2004 Olympics. Germany's sickness was due to trying to bring East Germany up to speed during the reunification. Germany already had France, the Low Countries, the Baltics, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland to pawn it wares off on. Greece was just icing on the cake.
I dont agree with that.
They were the sick man of Europe because they had a manufacturing based economy instead of a banking one.
Money flows to the hardest items. That flow has made the exchange between Germany and weaker nations entirely one sided once the economies were linked. Value has been sucked out of those economies by way of simple trade deficits.
It's the primary reason Germany has as strong of an economy as it does. That transfer is a natural end to linking strong and weak with a single currency. The weakest go first, but in time this suction will cause problems with everybody else as well.