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B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - CommuterBob - 02-19-2015 02:21 PM
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/19/8071217/big-ten-freshmen-ineligible-football-mens-basketball
for both football and men's hoops. Would be an interesting challenge to the NBA's one-and-done rule.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/2/14/8038431/freshmen-ineligible-college-sports-nba-age-limit?_ga=1.26778621.1191442244.1424372900
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - nzmorange - 02-19-2015 02:26 PM
(02-19-2015 02:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/19/8071217/big-ten-freshmen-ineligible-football-mens-basketball
for both football and men's hoops. Would be an interesting challenge to the NBA's one-and-done rule.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/2/14/8038431/freshmen-ineligible-college-sports-nba-age-limit?_ga=1.26778621.1191442244.1424372900
I am 100% behind this rule.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - ken d - 02-19-2015 02:27 PM
(02-19-2015 02:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/19/8071217/big-ten-freshmen-ineligible-football-mens-basketball
for both football and men's hoops. Would be an interesting challenge to the NBA's one-and-done rule.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/2/14/8038431/freshmen-ineligible-college-sports-nba-age-limit?_ga=1.26778621.1191442244.1424372900
I am 100% behind this rule.
If I could be more than 100% behind it, I would.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - ECBrad - 02-19-2015 02:29 PM
This is just a Blackfoot way to increasing scholarship limits
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - BIgCatonProwl - 02-19-2015 02:37 PM
Looks like the Drake Group is having some influence , this is one of their proposal among many in changing college athletics.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - domer1978 - 02-19-2015 02:37 PM
Totally support this!!!!
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - Attackcoog - 02-19-2015 02:40 PM
The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - bullet - 02-19-2015 02:42 PM
(02-19-2015 02:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/19/8071217/big-ten-freshmen-ineligible-football-mens-basketball
for both football and men's hoops. Would be an interesting challenge to the NBA's one-and-done rule.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/2/14/8038431/freshmen-ineligible-college-sports-nba-age-limit?_ga=1.26778621.1191442244.1424372900
I am 100% behind this rule.
I like it too. The people who don't want to be students, especially in basketball, would go to Europe or the minor leagues.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - bullet - 02-19-2015 02:43 PM
For football, it would be interesting if someone did a study on the 4 year injury rates of athletes who played as true freshmen.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - Dasville - 02-19-2015 02:46 PM
(02-19-2015 02:29 PM)ECBrad Wrote: This is just a Blackfoot way to increasing scholarship limits
I have Blackfoot blood on my mom's side. I don't know what you are implying by this?
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - ken d - 02-19-2015 02:47 PM
(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - OrangeCrush22 - 02-19-2015 02:56 PM
This will force good players to head overseas to get payed for a year or two before being a lottery pick in the NBA draft.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - CliftonAve - 02-19-2015 02:58 PM
I would think this could hurt basketball recruiting in B1G, ACC and PAC while stregnthening the other two P5 schools and the G5s+Big East. Most of these kids believe they are good enough to be done in one to two years. A recruit staring at a final list of Syracuse, Georgetown and UConn might easily scratch the Cuse off the list if he knows he can't play for a whole year.
On the football side it will work differently. Freshmen rarely play anyway. Where we will see the difference is that after 5-6 years a lot of hte P5 schools have more fifth year seniors. The quality of play will go up as a whole.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - Attackcoog - 02-19-2015 03:00 PM
(02-19-2015 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
If the P5 did this on an autonomous basis it would be just fine. The NCAA wouldn't be telling the P5 freshman couldn't play---the P5 will have independently decided to implement that policy (and would be free to ditch the policy whenever they wished). Frankly, I don't think it would pass the D1 as a whole. Too many non-power schools utilize freshman. That's about all a G5 school can offer a recruit that a P5 cannot---early playing time. Besides, we are about to enter an NCCAT age where power schools will be able to offer players lost of things most of D1 cannot. I don't see where this would be any different. If it causes the P5 problems, Im sure the P5 would just reverse course. Isnt that the whole point of autonomy?
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - Dasville - 02-19-2015 03:10 PM
(02-19-2015 03:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
If the P5 did this on an autonomous basis it would be just fine. The NCAA wouldn't be telling the P5 freshman couldn't play---the P5 will have independently decided to implement that policy (and would be free to ditch the policy whenever they wished). Frankly, I don't think it would pass the D1 as a whole. Too many non-power schools utilize freshman. That's about all a G5 school can offer a recruit that a P5 cannot---early playing time. Besides, we are about to enter an NCCAT age where power schools will be able to offer players lost of things most of D1 cannot. I don't see where this would be any different. If it causes the P5 problems, Im sure the P5 would just reverse course. Isnt that the whole point of autonomy?
Play as a Freshman in the G5 and if your good, transfer to a P5 school and be eligible immediately. Seems like that takes a lot of risk off the P5 recruiting.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - domer1978 - 02-19-2015 03:15 PM
(02-19-2015 03:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:(02-19-2015 03:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
If the P5 did this on an autonomous basis it would be just fine. The NCAA wouldn't be telling the P5 freshman couldn't play---the P5 will have independently decided to implement that policy (and would be free to ditch the policy whenever they wished). Frankly, I don't think it would pass the D1 as a whole. Too many non-power schools utilize freshman. That's about all a G5 school can offer a recruit that a P5 cannot---early playing time. Besides, we are about to enter an NCCAT age where power schools will be able to offer players lost of things most of D1 cannot. I don't see where this would be any different. If it causes the P5 problems, Im sure the P5 would just reverse course. Isnt that the whole point of autonomy?
Play as a Freshman in the G5 and if your good, transfer to a P5 school and be eligible immediately. Seems like that takes a lot of risk off the P5 recruiting.
Like that... Almost like a minor league system. Which I imagine they would do to put pressure on the G-5 to adopt freshmen ineligibility if it's passed.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - nzmorange - 02-19-2015 03:16 PM
(02-19-2015 02:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: I would think this could hurt basketball recruiting in B1G, ACC and PAC while stregnthening the other two P5 schools and the G5s+Big East. Most of these kids believe they are good enough to be done in one to two years. A recruit staring at a final list of Syracuse, Georgetown and UConn might easily scratch the Cuse off the list if he knows he can't play for a whole year.
On the football side it will work differently. Freshmen rarely play anyway. Where we will see the difference is that after 5-6 years a lot of hte P5 schools have more fifth year seniors. The quality of play will go up as a whole.
Absolutely. Here's my theory, though:
There will be a trickle down effect. Some elite players will go overseas. However, I think that most will stay home. That means that more elite players will trickle down to less elite schools. For instance, if UK can only churn out a fab 5 every other year (as opposed to every year), then there are 2-3 players going elsewhere every year. Assume that they go to a good but not elite school like Michigan instead. That means 2-3 very good players, who would otherwise go to Michigan, go to an average school instead. That then bumps 2-3 average players from an average school to a poor school and so on and so forth.
At the end of the day, the difference between elite schools and everyone else narrows. Since most schools in any confernce aren't elite, most conferences should support this proposal for competitive reasons (plus it's generally a good idea for the sake of the kids).
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - Attackcoog - 02-19-2015 03:29 PM
(02-19-2015 03:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:(02-19-2015 03:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
If the P5 did this on an autonomous basis it would be just fine. The NCAA wouldn't be telling the P5 freshman couldn't play---the P5 will have independently decided to implement that policy (and would be free to ditch the policy whenever they wished). Frankly, I don't think it would pass the D1 as a whole. Too many non-power schools utilize freshman. That's about all a G5 school can offer a recruit that a P5 cannot---early playing time. Besides, we are about to enter an NCCAT age where power schools will be able to offer players lost of things most of D1 cannot. I don't see where this would be any different. If it causes the P5 problems, Im sure the P5 would just reverse course. Isnt that the whole point of autonomy?
Play as a Freshman in the G5 and if your good, transfer to a P5 school and be eligible immediately. Seems like that takes a lot of risk off the P5 recruiting.
he-he-he.....sure. That works well for the P5. Then lets do that. Wonder where the next crop of one-and-done type athletes will go....
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - MplsBison - 02-19-2015 03:31 PM
(02-19-2015 02:27 PM)ken d Wrote: If I could be more than 100% behind it, I would.
I'm 100% against it.
Student athletes should be given a five year window to play five seasons.
That there are "one and done" situation in major college basketball has solely to do with the NBA's rules. It's on them to change those rules to be more like the NFL.
If a freshman can't handle playing in games his first year while making grades, then he was in the wrong situation to begin with.
RE: B1G, ACC, PAC look to make freshmen ineligible - ValleyBoy - 02-19-2015 03:34 PM
(02-19-2015 03:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:(02-19-2015 03:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:47 PM)ken d Wrote:(02-19-2015 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: The P5 could do this autonomously if they wish. If they do, its one place where I would suggest that the G5 not follow.
It's hard to imagine an NCAAT in which some schools can use players that others may not. Picture a world where Kentucky and Duke can't sign the top high school players, but UConn can. I think this is going to need to be adopted for all D-I or nobody. Which is a shame, because I think nobody is the preferred option.
If the P5 did this on an autonomous basis it would be just fine. The NCAA wouldn't be telling the P5 freshman couldn't play---the P5 will have independently decided to implement that policy (and would be free to ditch the policy whenever they wished). Frankly, I don't think it would pass the D1 as a whole. Too many non-power schools utilize freshman. That's about all a G5 school can offer a recruit that a P5 cannot---early playing time. Besides, we are about to enter an NCCAT age where power schools will be able to offer players lost of things most of D1 cannot. I don't see where this would be any different. If it causes the P5 problems, Im sure the P5 would just reverse course. Isnt that the whole point of autonomy?
Play as a Freshman in the G5 and if your good, transfer to a P5 school and be eligible immediately. Seems like that takes a lot of risk off the P5 recruiting.
Would have to sit out one year. P5 can not change that rule all by themselves. Does the P5 want to burn one scholly for that year that the player has to sit.