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This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-18-2015 05:00 PM Stepping back into the Illinois state political bull-ring reluctantly, but it needs to be discussed. By now, all of us, or those of us who care, have heard or seen what Governor Rauner is proposing for the new Illinois budget. Massive cuts in Medicaid, moving state pensions into a lower level than they've been, and, most important for NIU, big cuts in funding to the state's universities. Shocking? Probably. A lot of people will be pissed off, but instead of being pissed off at the Governor, I'm more pissed off at the people who put the state in such a huge s***-hole to begin with. The state has dug itself a bigger and bigger s***-hole when it comes to the budget the last 20 years ever since Jim Edgar left office. That goes for Republicans and Democrats alike. I give the Governor credit for at least being honest about the budget situation and not trying to pass it off as a small issue like others have done in the past. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he's proposing, but I give him props for not sugar-coating or bull-s***ting us. This won't be the finished budget because at the moment the Governor doesn't have the legislative backing to pass it: I believe the Democrats have veto proof majorities in both houses of the General Assembly. You'll hear the usual "I can't believe he's proposing this!" from the opposition, but if the Governor is smart, what he should do is say to the Democrats, "I'm willing to talk about this. Come up with a decent counter-proposal and new ideas for me.". It would be interesting to see what they come up with. Lastly, I'm still not sorry to say I voted for the Governor last November. It sucks now, but I doubt Pat Quinn would've been as honest and up-front about it. Let's see where this goes... RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - klake87 - 02-18-2015 06:25 PM You cant tax your way out of this mess. Need a governmental overhaul. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - HuskieJohn - 02-19-2015 03:02 PM Rauner proposes $29.3M state funding cut to NIU http://northernstar.info/campus/rauner-proposes-m-state-funding-cut-to-niu/article_dc519926-b7b0-11e4-bc15-9f4245e7503d.html Here is a good visual from NS. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - HuskieJohn - 02-19-2015 03:04 PM I am all for cuts but hope some internal governmental cuts happen more so than something like higher ed. Those of us that can donate to NIU will be all the more important to actually do so. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-19-2015 04:55 PM (02-19-2015 03:04 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote: I am all for cuts but hope some internal governmental cuts happen more so than something like higher ed. There's gonna have to be some cuts in funding to higher ed no matter what, the toxic fiscal situation essentially guarantees it. I actually think this'll be one of the few things the opposition doesn't oppose when it comes to the proposed budget. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BobL - 02-19-2015 05:24 PM So far I really have no issue with anything Rauner has done. His budget proposal is pissing off almost everyone, typically a good sign IMO. Certainly we will all feel the impact...hopefully equally. https://www.illinoispolicy.org/bruce-rauner-the-first-30-days/ RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BleedsHuskieRed - 02-19-2015 05:32 PM Everyone has to make sacrifices. As for me, I hope to be out of this state in a few years. I don't like that it has come to that, but it sucks here. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-19-2015 05:34 PM (02-19-2015 05:32 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote: Everyone has to make sacrifices. As for me, I hope to be out of this state in a few years. I don't like that it has come to that, but it sucks here. Same, though there are other factors that are a part of it. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - HuskieJohn - 02-20-2015 09:42 AM I looked around at how this is going to impact the other schools in comparison to NIU. The proposed cuts are $29.3 mil for NIU, $209mil for UofI, $44 mil fro SIUC and $23 mil for IL St. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-20-2015 09:45 AM (02-20-2015 09:42 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: I looked around at how this is going to impact the other schools in comparison to NIU. Can you put that into a percentage of their total funding from previous years? Be interesting to see how that balances out. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - HuskieJohn - 02-20-2015 10:22 AM (02-20-2015 09:45 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:(02-20-2015 09:42 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: I looked around at how this is going to impact the other schools in comparison to NIU. It is 31.5% for everyone. Also found NEIU's 31.5% is 7.55mil For some reason I cannot find UIC's 31.5%...but I can find articles where they are concerned about the proposed cuts, so they are included. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-20-2015 10:32 AM (02-20-2015 10:22 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:(02-20-2015 09:45 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:(02-20-2015 09:42 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: I looked around at how this is going to impact the other schools in comparison to NIU. That's good. At least everyone is treated equally. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - Dog Fan - 02-20-2015 10:46 AM I do not see this passing. There is no way that the universities can take that kind of a hit and keep their doors open unless programs are cut and staff/faculty are laid off. The state is slow pay and has owed the universities millions for quite some time. My guess is that this will end up around a 20% decrement, which is bad enough. We already have enough students leaving the state. This will make it worse. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-20-2015 11:05 AM (02-20-2015 10:46 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: I do not see this passing. There is no way that the universities can take that kind of a hit and keep their doors open unless programs are cut and staff/faculty are laid off. The state is slow pay and has owed the universities millions for quite some time. My guess is that this will end up around a 20% decrement, which is bad enough. We already have enough students leaving the state. This will make it worse. I agree it'll be bad for the universities and the staff/faculty, but as I said, of all the cuts in the proposed budget, I think this is the one that will stick. The reason? The state government and General Assembly, both Democrat and Republican alike, has shown the last decade that keeping the universities adequately funded isn't a high priority for them. The only reason NIU got the $$ that was promised for Cole Hall and Stevens Hall was because Peters kept haggling Blago & Quinn about it. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - Dog Fan - 02-20-2015 11:21 AM (02-20-2015 11:05 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:(02-20-2015 10:46 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: I do not see this passing. There is no way that the universities can take that kind of a hit and keep their doors open unless programs are cut and staff/faculty are laid off. The state is slow pay and has owed the universities millions for quite some time. My guess is that this will end up around a 20% decrement, which is bad enough. We already have enough students leaving the state. This will make it worse. If this goes through, it will definitely accelerate my departure from this state. No doubt there needs to be spending cuts - everywhere. But you do not hit the universities with a 31.5% decrement. Especially when they have been operating on less every year. Start small and build it up, forcing them to become more efficient with less. However, there always seems to be enough money for the politicians to fill their pockets. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-20-2015 12:18 PM (02-20-2015 11:21 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:(02-20-2015 11:05 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:(02-20-2015 10:46 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: I do not see this passing. There is no way that the universities can take that kind of a hit and keep their doors open unless programs are cut and staff/faculty are laid off. The state is slow pay and has owed the universities millions for quite some time. My guess is that this will end up around a 20% decrement, which is bad enough. We already have enough students leaving the state. This will make it worse. That, in conjunction with reckless spending and the loss of tax revenue through people and businesses leaving the state due to Illinois already having one of the nation's highest tax rates, is probably the big reason for this crisis. I'd like to see it hit the universities less, but given the current situation, and the Governor's promise not to raise property & income taxes, which are already high to begin with, I don't think there's an alternative. They've already put off fixing the budget for years and that's only exacerbated the situation. Of course, when you think about it, the current Governor is probably the only person in Springfield who doesn't fit the model of a crooked politician lining their pockets off of the taxes of the state citizens, because he's already a billionaire. Doesn't mean he won't be, but it's interesting to consider. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - BarsemaBone2 - 02-21-2015 11:10 AM Other donors probably received this, but here's Dr. Baker's statement on the proposed budget. Quote:The start of the state budget debate Couldn't have asked for a better response from the NIU President, IMO. [/align] RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - klake87 - 02-24-2015 07:47 AM Its called government mismanagement. We still have the same people controlling the purse strings. The plan is you elect me and i will give your raises and nice benefits. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - niubrad00 - 02-24-2015 01:06 PM (02-20-2015 11:21 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:(02-20-2015 11:05 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:(02-20-2015 10:46 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: I do not see this passing. There is no way that the universities can take that kind of a hit and keep their doors open unless programs are cut and staff/faculty are laid off. The state is slow pay and has owed the universities millions for quite some time. My guess is that this will end up around a 20% decrement, which is bad enough. We already have enough students leaving the state. This will make it worse. The state of Wisconsin is trying to cut $300 million in funding to the University of Wisconsin. RE: This Is Where We're At: Illinois Budget - HuskieJohn - 02-26-2015 05:49 PM Here is a Budget Presentation from President Baker presented yesterday (feb 25th) http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/northernstar.info/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/4f/14fa3db8-bd84-11e4-9d27-7b252ed095c1/54eec351dce46.pdf.pdf |