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ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - domer1978 - 01-29-2015 12:01 PM
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 4m4 minutes ago
ACC changes stance: games vs. #BYU will count toward Power 5 non-league requirement, sources told @ESPN
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - bluesox - 01-29-2015 12:08 PM
I'd guess the SEC will follow
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - stever20 - 01-29-2015 12:14 PM
If the SEC was smart they wouldn't. BYU isn't equal to a P5 team quite frankly.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - Wedge - 01-29-2015 12:20 PM
Maybe this means ACC teams are in the process of negotiating game deals with BYU, because it looks like as of right now, BYU doesn't have any ACC teams on future football schedules.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - Dasville - 01-29-2015 12:22 PM
Welcome aboard BYU! I would imagine that this would help your case for remaining independent or joining the Big 12 and eliminate the chances of you joining the AAC or rejoining the MWC.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - domer1978 - 01-29-2015 12:22 PM
(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)Wedge Wrote: Maybe this means ACC teams are in the process of negotiating game deals with BYU, because it looks like as of right now, BYU doesn't have any ACC teams on future football schedules.
I think Virginia has them
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - loki_the_bubba - 01-29-2015 12:23 PM
(01-29-2015 12:14 PM)stever20 Wrote: If the SEC was smart they wouldn't. BYU isn't equal to a P5 team quite frankly.
Neither is Kansas, Purdue, or Wake Forest.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - SuperFlyBCat - 01-29-2015 12:25 PM
"Facing Cincinnati reinforces our commitment to adding strong non-conference programs to our future schedules," Indiana Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Fred Glass said. "It is a great opportunity for our large alumni base in the Greater Cincinnati Area to come out and watch the Hoosiers. Along with the addition of UConn (2019, 2020), we are set up to reach our goal of playing seven home games every season and are consistent with the Big Ten's policy that each school play at least one major conference opponent in the non-conference each year."
http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072314aab.html
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - blunderbuss - 01-29-2015 12:25 PM
(01-29-2015 12:23 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:(01-29-2015 12:14 PM)stever20 Wrote: If the SEC was smart they wouldn't. BYU isn't equal to a P5 team quite frankly.
Neither is Kansas, Purdue, or Wake Forest.
Bingo.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - Dasville - 01-29-2015 12:28 PM
(01-29-2015 12:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: "Facing Cincinnati reinforces our commitment to adding strong non-conference programs to our future schedules," Indiana Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Fred Glass said. "It is a great opportunity for our large alumni base in the Greater Cincinnati Area to come out and watch the Hoosiers. Along with the addition of UConn (2019, 2020), we are set up to reach our goal of playing seven home games every season and are consistent with the Big Ten's policy that each school play at least one major conference opponent in the non-conference each year."
http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072314aab.html
I feel for you guys. Let's hope for the best. This is a blow to the G5.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - XLance - 01-29-2015 12:36 PM
The ACC just threw a bone to the PAC to help gain support for the no division proposal. The entire PAC has multiple games scheduled with BYU in the next 3-5 years (USC-3, Utah-3, UCLA-2, ASU-2, Arizona-2, Cal-2, Stanford-4, Washington-2 and WSU-1).
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - blunderbuss - 01-29-2015 12:38 PM
Some animals are more equal than others.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - ken d - 01-29-2015 12:39 PM
(01-29-2015 12:28 PM)Dasville Wrote:(01-29-2015 12:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: "Facing Cincinnati reinforces our commitment to adding strong non-conference programs to our future schedules," Indiana Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Fred Glass said. "It is a great opportunity for our large alumni base in the Greater Cincinnati Area to come out and watch the Hoosiers. Along with the addition of UConn (2019, 2020), we are set up to reach our goal of playing seven home games every season and are consistent with the Big Ten's policy that each school play at least one major conference opponent in the non-conference each year."
http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072314aab.html
I feel for you guys. Let's hope for the best. This is a blow to the G5.
An interesting distinction. The policy is to play a "major conference" opponent, not a P5 opponent. I like it. Unless, of course, they count the 11 or so games against MAC opponents as qualifying for "major conference" status.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - bluesox - 01-29-2015 12:42 PM
So the big 10 considers the AAC "one major conference"? I think the byu thing mainly relates to the sec and acc since they only play 8 conference games. Thus, they were putting their members under the gun to find a acceptable 9th game against another p5 league school. With ESPN ties to the SEC,ACC and BYU, i'd bet BYU will get a pass from the SEC. Yet, i'm not sure how many games byu will play vs acc/sec school's. Its not bad programming for ESPN to get western games for those conferences though. As for the champ game thing, i would think the best way to get the pac 12, big 10 and sec aboard would be to set the cutoff at 14 members and above. In that case, the big 12 is locked out unless it expands. I think giving the big 12 an exemption hurts the other leagues who might want to pick off big 12 school's.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - ken d - 01-29-2015 12:54 PM
The only point to specifying a requirement to schedule a P5 opponent was to insure the conference's overall strength of schedule wouldn't hurt their top teams. The P5 distinction is an arbitrary one if that is the point. SOS is helped more by scheduling schools like BYU and Boise State than by scheduling Wake Forest or Kansas.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - Wedge - 01-29-2015 12:59 PM
(01-29-2015 12:36 PM)XLance Wrote: The ACC just threw a bone to the PAC to help gain support for the no division proposal. The entire PAC has multiple games scheduled with BYU in the next 3-5 years (USC-3, Utah-3, UCLA-2, ASU-2, Arizona-2, Cal-2, Stanford-4, Washington-2 and WSU-1).
No. The Pac-12 doesn't have any "P5 scheduling requirement" so they don't care how anyone else labels their BYU games. Also, most of the Pac-12 teams schedule at least one P5 non-con game every year anyway, and don't need to apply spin to make their schedules look challenging.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - MWC Tex - 01-29-2015 01:14 PM
(01-29-2015 12:22 PM)Dasville Wrote: Welcome aboard BYU! I would imagine that this would help your case for remaining independent or joining the Big 12 and eliminate the chances of you joining the AAC or rejoining the MWC.
Whatever opening there was for a return to the MW is closed for good and probably always was. I guess the MW just got another 'P5' school on their schedules.
We will see what happens, being a P5 with $$ doesn't mean BYU is a P5 on the field. The P5 schools they always beaten were teams that didn't perform well that year and have yet to beat a P5 school that end up ranked at the end of the year.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - TodgeRodge - 01-29-2015 01:34 PM
(01-29-2015 12:14 PM)stever20 Wrote: If the SEC was smart they wouldn't. BYU isn't equal to a P5 team quite frankly.
get a clue
Brigham Young In the Polls (6 times in the last 15 seasons highest #12)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/independents/brigham_young/in_the_polls.php
Louisville In the Polls (7 times highest 6.5 twice)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/louisville/in_the_polls.php
Virginia In the Polls (2 times highest #22)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/virginia/in_the_polls.php
Boston College In the Polls (5 times highest #10.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/boston_college/in_the_polls.php
North Carolina State In the Polls (2 times highest #11.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/north_carolina_state/in_the_polls.php
Syracuse In the Polls (1 time #14)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/syracuse/in_the_polls.php
Wake Forest In the Polls (1 time #17.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/wake_forest/in_the_polls.php
Duke In the Polls (1 time #22.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/duke/in_the_polls.php
Georgia Tech In the Polls (4 times #7.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/georgia_tech/in_the_polls.php
Miami In the Polls (7 times #1)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/in_the_polls.php
North Carolina In the Polls (has not be ranked since 2000)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/north_carolina/in_the_polls.php
Pittsburgh In the Polls (3 times #15)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/pittsburgh/in_the_polls.php
Virginia Tech In the Polls (11 times #7)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/virginia_tech/in_the_polls.php
Florida State In the Polls (12 times #1)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/florida_state/in_the_polls.php
Clemson In the Polls (8 times #7.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/clemson/in_the_polls.php
Notre Dame In the Polls (6 times #4.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/independents/notre_dame/in_the_polls.php
so since 2000 BYU has finished the season ranked more times than UVA, BC, NCST, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, GaTech, UNC and Pitt and the same number of times as ND
so BYU has finished ranked since 2000 more times than 64.3% of the ACC and the same number of times as "special member" ND
in that same time period the highest ranking for BYU was #12
that is a higher ranking than UVA, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC and Pitt have managed in that same time period or 42.85% of the ACC
so over the last 15 seasons BYU has clearly been a better team than half of the ACC so I would not see how the ACC could claim that BYU is not a "P5" opponent when compared to half of their conference
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - stever20 - 01-29-2015 01:38 PM
and BYU has been ranked once in the last 5 years- and that was 25th in 1 of the polls. If ACC team is banking on that to be their top OOC game, wow. They might be better than some acc teams- but that speaks to how much the acc teams suck, not how great BYU is.
RE: ACC says BYU will count as a P-5 game now - CliftonAve - 01-29-2015 01:39 PM
(01-29-2015 01:34 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:(01-29-2015 12:14 PM)stever20 Wrote: If the SEC was smart they wouldn't. BYU isn't equal to a P5 team quite frankly.
get a clue
Brigham Young In the Polls (6 times in the last 15 seasons highest #12)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/independents/brigham_young/in_the_polls.php
Louisville In the Polls (7 times highest 6.5 twice)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/louisville/in_the_polls.php
Virginia In the Polls (2 times highest #22)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/virginia/in_the_polls.php
Boston College In the Polls (5 times highest #10.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/boston_college/in_the_polls.php
North Carolina State In the Polls (2 times highest #11.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/north_carolina_state/in_the_polls.php
Syracuse In the Polls (1 time #14)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/syracuse/in_the_polls.php
Wake Forest In the Polls (1 time #17.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/wake_forest/in_the_polls.php
Duke In the Polls (1 time #22.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/duke/in_the_polls.php
Georgia Tech In the Polls (4 times #7.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/georgia_tech/in_the_polls.php
Miami In the Polls (7 times #1)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/in_the_polls.php
North Carolina In the Polls (has not be ranked since 2000)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/north_carolina/in_the_polls.php
Pittsburgh In the Polls (3 times #15)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/pittsburgh/in_the_polls.php
Virginia Tech In the Polls (11 times #7)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/virginia_tech/in_the_polls.php
Florida State In the Polls (12 times #1)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/florida_state/in_the_polls.php
Clemson In the Polls (8 times #7.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/clemson/in_the_polls.php
Notre Dame In the Polls (6 times #4.5)
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/independents/notre_dame/in_the_polls.php
so since 2000 BYU has finished the season ranked more times than UVA, BC, NCST, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, GaTech, UNC and Pitt and the same number of times as ND
so BYU has finished ranked since 2000 more times than 64.3% of the ACC and the same number of times as "special member" ND
in that same time period the highest ranking for BYU was #12
that is a higher ranking than UVA, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC and Pitt have managed in that same time period or 42.85% of the ACC
so over the last 15 seasons BYU has clearly been a better team than half of the ACC so I would not see how the ACC could claim that BYU is not a "P5" opponent when compared to half of their conference
You can replace BYU with Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and get the same result.