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Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-13-2015 07:08 PM
Free Prime Rib and Crab Cakes--wow! (ODU students only, but THAT'S Marketing to get your students to the game!)...and they get some Rice, too!
from the ODU board:
(01-13-2015 11:30 AM)Punk Wrote: Hopefully the students turn out, food is always a good reason...
I hope they come back out Saturday night as well.
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As they just lost their brief Top25 ranking with their loss at WKU, they will be a bit upset and may look to 'take it out on Rice:'
(01-10-2015 08:56 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: I wish I hadn't moved back to Chesterfield. I'd be there for sure. It's not that that I don't have respect for Rice, but I feel bad for what's coming for them.
(01-11-2015 03:07 PM)odu96 Wrote: I haven't seen Rice play but looking at their previous games, they tend not to be blown out. I think they will fight us the whole game through. We will be victorious!!
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-13-2015 08:21 PM
From the Mike Rhoades radio show on Tues 1/13/14:
"They (players) understood very quickly that we're not making ANY excuses for anything and I carry that into my basketball coaching. Excuses get you beat.'
"This program will change and this culture will change if we say from day 1: you have to have an unbelievable work ethic in everything you do if you want to have success. You gotta become me before I become you."
"I had an idea for a long time how I would pick and hire coaches. I studied places that had success and one that had disasters. I researched a lot. I did my homework. I had over 400 phone calls or emails about being on our staff here at Rice. Second I wanted guys that were not about themselves. I wanted guys to be so loyal to THIS job. To be very, very ,loyal. Third, an unbelievable work ethic. I wanted guy that were gonna be crazy dogs in working all facets of the program. I also wanted guys that you tell them something once and it's done."
Usually when you take over a program the hardest thing is to get the JRs and SRs to jump on board. Those guys have been great in accepting the changes. They have totally bought in (Gearhart and Peera) and I am going to be friends with those guys for life."
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - I45owl - 01-13-2015 08:37 PM
(01-13-2015 08:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Usually when you take over a program the hardest thing is to get the JRs and SRs to jump on board. Those guys have been great in accepting the changes. They have totally bought in (Gearhart and Peera) and I am going to be friends with those guys for life."
Rhodes hit the same notes on his coach's show... Gearhart was a guest.
It's just hard to listen to coach Rhodes or watch Rice play and not get excited. He's not the most charismatic guy, but you can just see how players would love to play this style of game and play for him.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-13-2015 08:43 PM
More from the Mike Rhoades show, with JP Heath hosting:
Seth Gearhart: "Big difference is the aggressiveness of our entire team. We are playing a LOT faster and we get yelled at if we're not driving it to the basket and playing that, and I've never had someone in my life to coach that."
"Staff is still yelling at me about being more aggressive, more attacking."
Against Texas, one of the best teams in the nation, you had your career high of 24: "It showed me that when I am more aggressive that good things will happen, and the coaches told me that also."
Seth on Marcus Jackson: "The coaches getting on him for defense, and three weeks ago he's locked in on really playing defense and it's helped his offense as well."
"I think we can improve on staying focused and really concentrating the entire game. We (lost some focus) a bit in the North Texas game and allowed them to go on runs."
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-13-2015 08:52 PM
More from the Mike Rhoades show, with JP Heath hosting:
Dan Peera: "Coaching staff established from the get-go last year when he was hired, what they wanted really clear. If you want to do this, then stay, if not then move on."
Paraphrase--I can't type that fast: "We literally had the (blood-bond) type of thing with the NAVY SEAL training, you literally had the bond thanks to that and it made it a lot easier, the season, playing together."
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-13-2015 09:03 PM
More from the Mike Rhoades show, with JP Heath hosting:
Mike Rhoades again:
Heading back to Virginia 18 years of coaching there, what is it like: "So many people requesting tix. We'll have a lot of Randolph-Macon and VCU people there coming to see us play ODU. We're going to keep going back to recruit VA just because of all my years and relationships there."
"Very talented players at ODU, but thing to remember is they feed of their coach- very disciplined coach, disciplined players.
"Tough loss for ODU to Western Kentucky which is one of the toughest places to play in our conference now. We gotta show a hard-hat mentality."
on Charlotte: "Early tough schedule, not sure it's a down year for them, two really tough games. Talk about how tough we have to be physically and mentally to pull these games out on the road, we gotta take what we had in Alaska and even more."
"High point of the year so far a few times where we really improved drastically. Lamar game we didn't play well, but still could have won the game. Came back those six days off played well at Texas on the road.
"Big thing in turning around culture of program is to learn how to win consistently. We've been close, really close, but the OTHER team wants to win too. We gotta find ways to get to the last 6 minutes of the game and find a way to pull them out. We gotta find ways to get over the hump. It could happen this week, it could happen next year, but I'm not a guy to wait around a lot (on winning). This loss this weekend really stung them, and that's good, that means we're gonna go in there, get back to the gym and get back to work.
"We're gonna keep moving this thing forward and I think you're gonna see some good things."
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - Antarius - 01-13-2015 11:26 PM
(01-13-2015 08:37 PM)I45owl Wrote: It's just hard to listen to coach Rhodes or watch Rice play and not get excited. He's not the most charismatic guy, but you can just see how players would love to play this style of game and play for him.
He gives off a bundle of energy. The way he coaches on the sideline also gives off the vibe that he really cares about his players and team.
His enthusiasm has rubbed of on me - I can't stand the NBA and don't care much for college MBB and have still been to all but 1 home game this year.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - gsloth - 01-14-2015 09:37 AM
Dang, I don't think this greying, receding hairline guy in his 40s could pass as a student. That's a nice pre-game spread. But I will be there - looks like the ice storm isn't continuing into tomorrow.
Any idea whether there's even a Rice section of tickets to get on away games like this? Sounds like a lot of people requesting tickets of the coach, but I don't normally do this. That Richmond game I went to was pretty empty, but this one sounds like there could be more there.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - Caelligh - 01-14-2015 05:00 PM
(01-13-2015 07:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Free Prime Rib and Crab Cakes--wow! (ODU students only, but THAT'S Marketing to get your students to the game!)...and they get some Rice, too!...
I wonder if the potential for this event to occur boosted student attendance at prior games. I know Rice has tried to get more students to come to games by offering free food and such, but the ODU event seems to condition the reward on the performance of the team, not on the presence of the student. The students can best influence the performance of the team by coming to multiple games and actively cheering--as opposed to simply showing up for a single game--so maybe we should consider trying student outreach more along the lines of ODU's event.
Example: The team reaches out to the students to explain just how important student support is, and the Athletic Department or the university promises a campuswide reward when the team reaches milestones such as:
- Team wins X games in a row
- Team defeats a Top 25 opponent
- Team makes the Top 25
- Team makes the NCAA tournament
- Etc.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - I45owl - 01-14-2015 05:44 PM
(01-14-2015 05:00 PM)Caelligh Wrote: I wonder if the potential for this event to occur boosted student attendance at prior games. I know Rice has tried to get more students to come to games by offering free food and such, but the ODU event seems to condition the reward on the performance of the team, not on the presence of the student. The students can best influence the performance of the team by coming to multiple games and actively cheering--as opposed to simply showing up for a single game--so maybe we should consider trying student outreach more along the lines of ODU's event.
I would cast things differently - someone with more marketing savvy should comment. I would say that this is an effort to get students to the game at the zenith of ODU's basketball history (to date). Get them there, any way that you can, and they will reflect back on this opportunity and should be hooked. This is not in any fashion a reward, it's a concerted effort to get return customers.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-14-2015 06:54 PM
(01-14-2015 05:00 PM)Caelligh Wrote:(01-13-2015 07:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Free Prime Rib and Crab Cakes--wow! (ODU students only, but THAT'S Marketing to get your students to the game!)...and they get some Rice, too!...
I wonder if the potential for this event to occur boosted student attendance at prior games. I know Rice has tried to get more students to come to games by offering free food and such, but the ODU event seems to condition the reward on the performance of the team, not on the presence of the student. The students can best influence the performance of the team by coming to multiple games and actively cheering--as opposed to simply showing up for a single game--so maybe we should consider trying student outreach more along the lines of ODU's event.
Example: The team reaches out to the students to explain just how important student support is, and the Athletic Department or the university promises a campuswide reward when the team reaches milestones such as:
A side benefit is the opportunity to share team successes with the whole campus--which would be very positive marketing for a growing program.
- Team wins X games in a row
- Team defeats a Top 25 opponent
- Team makes the Top 25
- Team makes the NCAA tournament
- Etc.
for you, Caelligh: Cake or Death, by comedian and actor Eddie Izzard
I'd love us to use your suggestions above to get more students to come to watch more Rice sports events. If they kept tally of individual students' attendance using smartphone technology, for instance, they could in effect have a "rewards program" similar to how Casinos reward their frequent-players! It works for the casinos (and to some extent the airlines as well.) How hard would it be to implement and publicize it to the students?
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - RiceFight - 01-14-2015 07:02 PM
(01-14-2015 06:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'd love us to use your suggestions above to get more students to come to watch more Rice sports events. If they kept tally of individual students' attendance using smartphone technology, for instance, they could in effect have a "rewards program" similar to how Casinos reward their frequent-players! It works for the casinos (and to some extent the airlines as well.) How hard would it be to implement and publicize it to the students?
This was attempted a few years ago (2010-2011?) called, appropriately, Rice Rewards. Students were given a card (think credit card) with a barcode on it and could get it scanned at all the various sporting events they attended. There was a tiered system for the perks they could receive for enough events attended, with prizes such as a t-shirt, rolling ice chest, and football jersey. It failed miserably. It was essentially dead by the end of fall semester and wasn't even attempted in the spring.
More recently, there have been competitions such as the Centennial Cup and Homecoming Cup that have awarded points to the various colleges for every 5 students who show up to a game and get their picture taken. Unfortunately, those only lasted ~a month, which doesn't really do much long-term. Also, for the colleges that didn't really care to compete, it didn't do much of anything.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - GoodOwl - 01-14-2015 07:11 PM
(01-14-2015 07:02 PM)RiceFight Wrote:(01-14-2015 06:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'd love us to use your suggestions above to get more students to come to watch more Rice sports events. If they kept tally of individual students' attendance using smartphone technology, for instance, they could in effect have a "rewards program" similar to how Casinos reward their frequent-players! It works for the casinos (and to some extent the airlines as well.) How hard would it be to implement and publicize it to the students?
This was attempted a few years ago (2010-2011?) called, appropriately, Rice Rewards. Students were given a card (think credit card) with a barcode on it and could get it scanned at all the various sporting events they attended. There was a tiered system for the perks they could receive for enough events attended, with prizes such as a t-shirt, rolling ice chest, and football jersey. It failed miserably. It was essentially dead by the end of fall semester and wasn't even attempted in the spring.
More recently, there have been competitions such as the Centennial Cup and Homecoming Cup that have awarded points to the various colleges for every 5 students who show up to a game and get their picture taken. Unfortunately, those only lasted ~a month, which doesn't really do much long-term. Also, for the colleges that didn't really care to compete, it didn't do much of anything.
Really? Did not recall that. My feeling is that it might work better for basketball than football initially.
2010 and 2011 football we were 4-8 and 4-8.
Also, Braun's hoops teams were not playing the most exciting style of basketball. IMO I think Rhoades' team style of play might be more enticing?
Couldn't say as to Greg Williams' women's team.
Would like to see them try it again. Also, clearly the prizes offered were not deemed enough incentive to the students, so you'd have to up the ante and what the giveaways were. Nice food prizes, and survey the students themselves a few times on what they would actually want to actually come out to the games.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - cr11owl - 01-14-2015 07:17 PM
(01-14-2015 07:11 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:(01-14-2015 07:02 PM)RiceFight Wrote:(01-14-2015 06:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'd love us to use your suggestions above to get more students to come to watch more Rice sports events. If they kept tally of individual students' attendance using smartphone technology, for instance, they could in effect have a "rewards program" similar to how Casinos reward their frequent-players! It works for the casinos (and to some extent the airlines as well.) How hard would it be to implement and publicize it to the students?
This was attempted a few years ago (2010-2011?) called, appropriately, Rice Rewards. Students were given a card (think credit card) with a barcode on it and could get it scanned at all the various sporting events they attended. There was a tiered system for the perks they could receive for enough events attended, with prizes such as a t-shirt, rolling ice chest, and football jersey. It failed miserably. It was essentially dead by the end of fall semester and wasn't even attempted in the spring.
More recently, there have been competitions such as the Centennial Cup and Homecoming Cup that have awarded points to the various colleges for every 5 students who show up to a game and get their picture taken. Unfortunately, those only lasted ~a month, which doesn't really do much long-term. Also, for the colleges that didn't really care to compete, it didn't do much of anything.
Really? Did not recall that. My feeling is that it might work better for basketball than football initially.
2010 and 2011 football we were 4-8 and 4-8.
Also, Braun's hoops teams were not playing the most exciting style of basketball. IMO I think Rhoades' team style of play might be more enticing?
Couldn't say as to Greg Williams' women's team.
Would like to see them try it again. Also, clearly the prizes offered were not deemed enough incentive to the students, so you'd have to up the ante and what the giveaways were. Nice food prizes, and survey the students themselves a few times on what they would actually want to actually come out to the games.
The athletic department founder of the program left, so no follow through on any of it.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - owl95 - 01-14-2015 08:14 PM
(01-14-2015 07:17 PM)cr11owl Wrote:(01-14-2015 07:11 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:(01-14-2015 07:02 PM)RiceFight Wrote:(01-14-2015 06:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'd love us to use your suggestions above to get more students to come to watch more Rice sports events. If they kept tally of individual students' attendance using smartphone technology, for instance, they could in effect have a "rewards program" similar to how Casinos reward their frequent-players! It works for the casinos (and to some extent the airlines as well.) How hard would it be to implement and publicize it to the students?
This was attempted a few years ago (2010-2011?) called, appropriately, Rice Rewards. Students were given a card (think credit card) with a barcode on it and could get it scanned at all the various sporting events they attended. There was a tiered system for the perks they could receive for enough events attended, with prizes such as a t-shirt, rolling ice chest, and football jersey. It failed miserably. It was essentially dead by the end of fall semester and wasn't even attempted in the spring.
More recently, there have been competitions such as the Centennial Cup and Homecoming Cup that have awarded points to the various colleges for every 5 students who show up to a game and get their picture taken. Unfortunately, those only lasted ~a month, which doesn't really do much long-term. Also, for the colleges that didn't really care to compete, it didn't do much of anything.
Really? Did not recall that. My feeling is that it might work better for basketball than football initially.
2010 and 2011 football we were 4-8 and 4-8.
Also, Braun's hoops teams were not playing the most exciting style of basketball. IMO I think Rhoades' team style of play might be more enticing?
Couldn't say as to Greg Williams' women's team.
Would like to see them try it again. Also, clearly the prizes offered were not deemed enough incentive to the students, so you'd have to up the ante and what the giveaways were. Nice food prizes, and survey the students themselves a few times on what they would actually want to actually come out to the games.
The athletic department founder of the program left, so no follow through on any of it.
If I were implementing such a program today, I'd make it achievement based, like on the XBOX or Playstation(or Steam). Achievements are worth points that can be easily redeemed for something useful, like maybe food credit or bookstore credit. At certain achievement levels, you get a T-shirt to mark the accomplishment that you can proudly wear around campus.
Achievements can be things like:
Attend at least 5 home football game - Football Booster
Attend all football home games - Football Booster MVP
Attend at least 3 different sporting events - Athletic sampler
"" - Baseball MVP
"" - Basketball MVP
Attend at least 1 men's and 1 women's sporting event - No Gender Bias
etc. Better names can be had(I am terrible at naming things). Even rolled up super achievements like acquire Football MVP, Basketball MVP, and Baseball MVP, everyone achieving this gets a free dinner with athletes and coaches and Dr. K at the end of the year.
In any type of contest like this, it's a mistake to have winners and losers, like in that competition with the colleges because once people figure they can't win, they will stop. Systems where anyone reaching certain milestones is a winner is better for participation. Also the rewards need to be useful and easily redeemable.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - Antarius - 01-14-2015 09:57 PM
(01-14-2015 08:14 PM)owl95 Wrote: Achievements can be things like:
Attend at least 5 home football game - Football Booster
Attend all football home games - Football Booster MVP
Sadly, sometimes there isn't a distinction between 5 home games and all home games
P.S The above comment is tongue-in-cheek, and not intended to start a discussion about scheduling/conferences.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - Antarius - 01-14-2015 10:01 PM
owl95 - now that im done being a smartass for now, I like your idea.
Another benefit could be the winning students get to be "honorary coaches" at the last home game in FB or something. The key is, as you said, useful or something people want. cheeap T shirts and junky swag aren't worth sitting through a 5-26 season in MBB.
Quote:In any type of contest like this, it's a mistake to have winners and losers, like in that competition with the colleges because once people figure they can't win, they will stop. Systems where anyone reaching certain milestones is a winner is better for participation. Also the rewards need to be useful and easily redeemable.
Very well said.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - owl95 - 01-14-2015 10:06 PM
(01-14-2015 09:57 PM)Antarius Wrote:(01-14-2015 08:14 PM)owl95 Wrote: Achievements can be things like:
Attend at least 5 home football game - Football Booster
Attend all football home games - Football Booster MVP
Sadly, sometimes there isn't a distinction between 5 home games and all home games
P.S The above comment is tongue-in-cheek, and not intended to start a discussion about scheduling/conferences.
Haha, I actually got confused while writing and thought of the 8 home games during an NFL season.
And your honorary coach or something event-related idea is really good.
Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - owl at the moon - 01-15-2015 08:26 AM
(01-14-2015 09:57 PM)Antarius Wrote:(01-14-2015 08:14 PM)owl95 Wrote: Achievements can be things like:
Attend at least 5 home football game - Football Booster
Attend all football home games - Football Booster MVP
Sadly, sometimes there isn't a distinction between 5 home games and all home games
P.S The above comment is tongue-in-cheek, and not intended to start a discussion about scheduling/conferences.
ps, too late.
Play CUSA football round-robin. 13 teams, 12 games, one true champion.
6 home games guaranteed.
RE: Men's Hoops: Rice at Old Dominion 1/15 - Caelligh - 01-15-2015 10:39 AM
riceowls.com does not say so, but Owlvision indicates that there will be a video broadcast of the game.
The WBB game is on at the same time. I've not tried to watch two events via OwlVision simultaneously.