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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - WM Beancounter - 04-25-2017 04:29 PM
Marfo would fix many ills for our program. 3 pts, 3 rbs on 9 minutes average per game. 6'8", 240. Watching his highlights, would be a nice fit. Hard to imagine Knight and Marfo on the court at the same time...
2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribeheart - 04-26-2017 08:02 AM
Badocchi to decide between Virginia and Illinois by end of week.
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - mrjoolius - 04-26-2017 08:05 AM
We are now down to zero publicly known 2017 offers on the table. Even with a Marfo commitment, he has to sit out a season. I believe that they are still open to adding to this class.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - tribetime10 - 04-26-2017 08:17 AM
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Marquis Godwin 6'5 Hampton, VA (ODU)
Geo Baker 6'2 Derry, NH (Rutgers)
Eddie Scott 6'5 Washington, DC (UPenn)
Walter Whyte 6'5 New Haven, CT (Boston U)
Grayson Murphy 6'2 Thompsons Station, TN (Belmont)
DeAndre "Pedro" Bradshaw 6'5 Russellville, KY (Belmont)
Carter Collins 6'1 Chapel Hill, NC (Davidson)
Peyton Broughton 6'4 London, KY (Eastern Kentucky)
Jelani Williams 6'5 Washington, DC (UPenn)
Connor Crabtree 6'5 Hillsborough, NC (UNC Asheville)
SF Ryan Schwieger 6'6 Charlotte,NC (Princeton)
Alexander Petrie 6'2 Richmond, VA (Lafayette)
Alex O'Connell 6'5 Milton, GA (Duke)
A.J. Caldwell 6'4 Sarasota, FL (South Alabama)
Jimmy Sotos 6'3 Chicago, IL (Bucknell)
Zach Butler 6'4 Spartanburg, SC (Ohio U)
Jordan Usher 6'5 Canton, GA (Southern Cal)
Anthony Polite 6'6 Boca Raton, FL (Florida St)
Kevin "KJ" Davis 6'6 Portsmouth, VA (East Carolina)
Sasha Stefanovic 6'4 Crown Point, IN (Purdue)
Joseph Lanzi 6'4 Chelsea, AL (Reclassed to 2018)
Rayshaun Hammonds 6'8 Atlanta, GA (Georgia)
Reese Strohm 6'6 Columbus, OH (Walsh D2)
Lance Thomas 6'7 Atlanta, GA (Louisville)
Tai Bibbs 6'1 Chicago, IL (Columbia)
Greg Calixte 6'8 Mount Vernon, NY (GMU)
Taylor Bruninga 6'9 Mapleton, IL (Illinois St)
Malik Osborne 6'8 Park Forest, IL (Rice)
Maybe a weird question, but can anyone speak to why none of our targets committed to other CAA schools?
On one hand, I like that we aren't losing recruits to NE, UNCW, etc. But I also wonder why we aren't looking at some of the same recruits. You'd think there'd be a couple head-to-head battles for the same players. Don't get me wrong--I'm glad we aren't losing any battles, but it just strikes me that some of the pool should overlap.
I'm not sure how this compares to years past, just stood out to me.
2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribeheart - 04-26-2017 08:56 AM
Even if a Marfo commit doesn't give us a second post option next season, the really important thing is it gives us someone to go up against and push Knight in practice. If Knight has no one to push him in practice, bad scenario.....
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - WMInTheBurg - 04-26-2017 05:53 PM
In years past, a W&M offer was often followed by a NE or UNCW offer, sometimes UD or Hofstra. Many of the best players in the league last year were W&M targets, even though we didn't end up getting them.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - billymac - 04-26-2017 09:09 PM
We really do need to sign a 4 year student, if possible, this year to prevent the "warthog in a python" syndrome. Even a Grad Transfer would only be a temporary fix. We could have 8 open scholarships for 2018. That imbalance is just extremely hard to work with in recruiting and leadership. We can already see that we are having to stretch our recruiting net very wide for 2018, as it is, and it is just tough to get decent quality across a class that big in numbers.
2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribeheart - 04-28-2017 01:07 PM
Clayton Hughes just committed to Indiana State of all places.
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - mrjoolius - 04-28-2017 01:47 PM
(04-28-2017 01:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: Clayton Hughes just committed to Indiana State of all places.Bizarro. Love his game but he seems so flakey. Definitely seems like a guy you'll hear about transferring after his freshman year.
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - nj alum - 04-28-2017 04:15 PM
(04-28-2017 01:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: Clayton Hughes just committed to Indiana State of all places.
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"...of all places".
Aside from the Larry Bird era, here's what the Sycamores have done lately:
http://www.gosycamores.com/coaches.aspx?rc=359&path=mbball
Looks like a solid program.
Five straight post-season appearances a couple of years ago (cough, cough)! :-)
And it is Indiana basketball!
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - mrjoolius - 05-01-2017 02:41 AM
Francesco Badocchi to UVA
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - mrjoolius - 05-01-2017 11:19 AM
Tribe Commitments
Jihar Williams
** Guard / Forward
6'5 190 lbs Baltimore, MD
Luke Loewe
** Point Guard
6'3 175 lbs Ripon, WI
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2017 W&M Offers
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W&M Interest
Point Guard / Shooting Guard
Preston English 6'3 Murray, KY
Xion Golding 6'4 Windemere, FL
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Small Forward
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Power Forward / Center
AJ Haeffner 6'9 Coral Springs, FL
Brett Haeffner 6'9 Coral Springs, FL
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Marquis Godwin 6'5 Hampton, VA (ODU)
Geo Baker 6'2 Derry, NH (Rutgers)
Eddie Scott 6'5 Washington, DC (UPenn)
Walter Whyte 6'5 New Haven, CT (Boston U)
Grayson Murphy 6'2 Thompsons Station, TN (Belmont)
DeAndre "Pedro" Bradshaw 6'5 Russellville, KY (Belmont)
Carter Collins 6'1 Chapel Hill, NC (Davidson)
Peyton Broughton 6'4 London, KY (Eastern Kentucky)
Jelani Williams 6'5 Washington, DC (UPenn)
Connor Crabtree 6'5 Hillsborough, NC (UNC Asheville)
SF Ryan Schwieger 6'6 Charlotte,NC (Princeton)
Alexander Petrie 6'2 Richmond, VA (Lafayette)
Alex O'Connell 6'5 Milton, GA (Duke)
A.J. Caldwell 6'4 Sarasota, FL (South Alabama)
Jimmy Sotos 6'3 Chicago, IL (Bucknell)
Zach Butler 6'4 Spartanburg, SC (Ohio U)
Jordan Usher 6'5 Canton, GA (Southern Cal)
Anthony Polite 6'6 Boca Raton, FL (Florida St)
Kevin "KJ" Davis 6'6 Portsmouth, VA (East Carolina)
Sasha Stefanovic 6'4 Crown Point, IN (Purdue)
Joseph Lanzi 6'4 Chelsea, AL (Reclassed to 2018)
Rayshaun Hammonds 6'8 Atlanta, GA (Georgia)
Reese Strohm 6'6 Columbus, OH (Walsh D2)
Lance Thomas 6'7 Atlanta, GA (Louisville)
Tai Bibbs 6'1 Chicago, IL (Columbia)
Alex King 6'8 Columbus, IN (Army)
Greg Calixte 6'8 Mount Vernon, NY (GMU)
Taylor Bruninga 6'9 Mapleton, IL (Illinois St)
Malik Osborne 6'8 Park Forest, IL (Rice)
Clayton Hughes 6'6 Jackson, TN (Indiana St)
Francesco Badocchi 6'8 Mission, KS (UVA)
Jordan Goldwire 6'0 Atlanta, GA (Duke)
Evan Cole 6'8 Cummings, GA (Georgia Tech)
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - bubbadog57 - 05-02-2017 05:42 AM
It has been sad to see the parade of recruits we've been after march to other schools almost day after day. Some have pointed out, and rightly so, that we have lost prospects due to the COA benefit...but the unvarnished truth is we've lost guys to schools who, like us, do NOT offer the COA.
There are eight Tribe scholarships sitting there between the classes of 2017 and 2018...more than half a college team. With the late and, frankly, duplicitous move of Whitman to transfer, we are late in the game for 2017.
W&M continues to wait on the NCAA's ruling on the transfer of the Florida big man...it appears this is our best and, at least right now, only opportunity to provide backup for Knight next fall.
Let us hope the logjam breaks up soon and we see Tony and staff rewarded for the incredible hours and continuous travel they are putting in searching for high-level recruits.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribe32 - 05-02-2017 06:14 AM
Three things BT3
1) don't forget that Schlotman contributed to this also (but nobody is begging to get him back)
2) Both Schlotman and Whitman were supposed to graduate this year anyway.
3) Seacat was on the team when school started
My guess is that the coaches were counting on Whitman and Seacat with high expectations for Knight next season during this time last year when most of the recruiting for this incoming class was going on. If they thought they had three big men, they probably spent almost zero time recruiting that position. When you think about it this way it pretty much sucks for Shaver and his staff. Not one, but two big men left unexpectedly.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - 3xTribe - 05-02-2017 07:06 AM
There are six players left on the "interest" list for 2017. Is the interest in any of them serious at this point? These are six guys who are unsigned at this late date, so they have all had plenty of chances to impress other potential suitors, but with no success.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - tribelifer - 05-02-2017 08:32 AM
I think what has been the real eye-opener for me, to this point, is the apparent perception of our basketball program, in general. It doesn't appear to be Good or Bad, probably worse, it appears to be just Indifferent.
It's like these multitude of players we have offered, to this point, said thank you and then chucked the offer into the pile with the likes of those from Fairfield, UMBC, Samford or Campbell. Outside of the Del-Mar-Va region, we don't appear to be tracking very well on the "Q Scale" (awareness). There is no "Wow, W&M wants me" response, just, well that's another one from a small school.
With the large number of scholarships we have available over the next two years, we are getting a strong dose of reality when it comes to how we may be perceived outside the realm of those who know and love our school.
I am delighted that the staff is working beyond our past limits, when it comes to player skill, but it may still come down to winning a CAA Title, making the NCAA's , or something special to really get us out of that "Ho-Hum" hole.
We do need to get another kid signed for next year and we badly need an early commit for 2018 to get the ball rolling on that huge class.
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribeheart - 05-02-2017 09:16 AM
(05-02-2017 07:06 AM)3xTribe Wrote: There are six players left on the "interest" list for 2017. Is the interest in any of them serious at this point? These are six guys who are unsigned at this late date, so they have all had plenty of chances to impress other potential suitors, but with no success.Regarding the interest list: Goldwire committed to Duke this week, Cole will commit to a P5, the Haeffner twins are not D1 talent. Don't know about English and Golding.
We are not alone in the CAA with difficulties trying to fill late 2017 spots due to transfers/decommits. There have only been 3 late commits to the CAA, with many open spots. If we swing the Rimmer transfer, we'll be ok.
Think of interest that many coaches are now rethinking the freshman redshirt because of the grad transfer trend. Don't blame them. Think programs have a right to expect 4 actual playing years with a player they have made the commitment to develop, with use of a scholly during a non-playing year. Think the grad transfer rule should include a sit out year, just like any other transfer, unless a player graduates in 3 years.
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribal - 05-02-2017 09:22 AM
(05-02-2017 08:32 AM)tribelifer Wrote: I think what has been the real eye-opener for me, to this point, is the apparent perception of our basketball program, in general. It doesn't appear to be Good or Bad, probably worse, it appears to be just Indifferent.And, who do you think is responsible for our image? You can thank decades of poor support from our shot callers.
It's like these multitude of players we have offered, to this point, said thank you and then chucked the offer into the pile with the likes of those from Fairfield, UMBC, Samford or Campbell. Outside of the Del-Mar-Va region, we don't appear to be tracking very well on the "Q Scale" (awareness). There is no "Wow, W&M wants me" response, just, well that's another one from a small school.
With the large number of scholarships we have available over the next two years, we are getting a strong dose of reality when it comes to how we may be perceived outside the realm of those who know and love our school.
I am delighted that the staff is working beyond our past limits, when it comes to player skill, but it may still come down to winning a CAA Title, making the NCAA's , or something special to really get us out of that "Ho-Hum" hole.
We do need to get another kid signed for next year and we badly need an early commit for 2018 to get the ball rolling on that huge class.
Tell you what, does anyone here have a picture of our basketball locker room? I can find several of our football locker room. There's a reason why.
It's a damn shame.
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RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - LeadBolt - 05-02-2017 10:09 AM
It appears to me that when you step back and look at the CAA, we are finally feeling the effects in recruiting as a conference of the lowered profile from the exit of several of the conference's former higher profiled schools such as Richmond, VCU, GMU, ODU, etc., as well as the lack of high profile news makers such as the Left hander, Jim Laranaga, Shaka Smart, etc.
With a closer focus on ourselves, we seem to be suffering from losing the glow from our upset victories vs. large name ACC and P5 schools earlier in the 21st century as we pass the half-life of those wins. The staff has used the lure of making history by kicking in the NCAA door to attract a higher level of talent. One has to wonder if that has run it's course, although I would think that the Northwestern story this year might give it some legs.
And finally, the drum upon which I beat more frequently there has been a lack of institutional support. If you've been in the bowels of the Hall, you'll appreciate Tribal's comment. The coaches aren't paid enough, the recruiting budget is lacking, marketing is getting better (thanks in no small part by members of this board) but still not great, the facilities need a face lift and an addition as football has had with a dedicated facility next to the stadium, we need to be participating in tournaments at the beginning/end of the season to raise our profile, paying to get good OOC opponents at home, if that's what it takes, and on and on.
This is not meant as a knock on the current assistants, but does anyone have any idea that if we were to pay a Jamion Christian or a Dee Vick what they are worth and give the a better environment to work with to retain them along with the rest of the staff of where we might be with another coach or two to cover more recruiting ground or give more input into game situations?
Basketball has the highest risk reward scenario for raising the level of recognition for the institution in general and W&M Athletics in particular of any sport in which the College participates. Resources are lacking to make this work. That is on the leadership and us the fans, not so much the players and the coaches.
This isn't rocket science or brain surgery as Lefty reminded us when he called the "picket fence" from the movie "The Hoosiers" to win a game at the end. I'll go take my medication now...
RE: 2017 Men's Basketball Recruiting - Tribe32 - 05-02-2017 01:05 PM
Agree with the last two posters. Anyone who likes Kaplan is nuts. The Hall (as I call it) is old and mostly under ground with no windows to speak of. It's just crappy. All we need is a 6-7k seat arena with the same layout as ODU where every seat has good sight lines and is closer to the court. We can't put lipstick on the pig either.
As for recruiting. I don't buy the part about us losing recruits because the CAA has lessened in status but maybe it has a little to do with it.
What I'm pissed about is that we're as good or better (now) than teams like Tulane, Rice, name more academic first schools.....and we aren't getting the same talent. We should be getting the kids who are smart enough to get into the Ivies, and not good enough for Duke/Vandy/Purdue.
I personally give quite a bit of money to another sport, baseball (which by the way has tremendous facilities all paid for by alumni contributions), but would toss more in for hoops if I felt like IT WOULD BE USED WISELY. That's my one and only stipulation for baseball.