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Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - Wilkie01 - 06-14-2014 10:34 AM
Your thoughts on this.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - DexterDevil - 06-14-2014 03:26 PM
No, the interest is in not expanding right now.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - ohio1317 - 06-14-2014 05:31 PM
Yeah every sign pointing against expansion at this point. I'm sure if Texas or Notre Dame opened up (neither of which can because of grant of rights, Notre Dame I believe forfeights their football rights if they join another conference besides the ACC for the duration of the grant of rights), then the conference would listen, but they are drawing up schedules through 2019 and beyond and planning on an 18 year scheduling arrangement. Things can change, but no desire I see anymore.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - BruceMcF - 06-14-2014 11:04 PM
Interest in what sense?
Could be some interest in the Hawkeyes & the Huskers in playing OOC games with the Jayhawks. Do a combined FB&BB deal and the interest would step up among a lot of the western division schools
UConn FB for one of the two non-P5 OOC games, not so much, there are more useful East Coast FB teams to play for Easter Exposure, but again, a combined FB&BB deal and that could pique some interest.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - Wilkie01 - 06-15-2014 12:40 AM
Thanks for the impute.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - AntiG - 06-15-2014 10:45 AM
I think the conference is biding its time to try to acquire Texas if the Big 12 collapses
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - BruceMcF - 06-15-2014 09:43 PM
(06-15-2014 10:45 AM)AntiG Wrote: I think the conference is biding its time to try to acquire Texas if the Big 12 collapsesWell, this is the time for idle speculation, as we bide our time waiting for the fall sports to get underway.
But in the real world, Power Conferences just do not spend all that much time on conference realignment in most years. Its something they focus on for a period of time when the situation has evolved and some move or moves start the ball rolling, and then once all the valuable and available moves have been made it goes onto the back burner.
We are in that "Power Conference realignment on the back burner" phases.
The further you go down the totem pole, the more conference realignment is a continuous process. But at present, heck, there aren't even all that many immediate prospects for Go5 moves.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - Waterloo - 06-15-2014 10:39 PM
Kansas would be great (if they came along with Missouri).
UConn? No thanks. Already picked up TV market teams, don't need anymore.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - john01992 - 06-15-2014 11:21 PM
hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - brista21 - 06-16-2014 01:07 PM
(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - Wilkie01 - 06-16-2014 01:17 PM
(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
Spot on!
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - ohio1317 - 06-16-2014 04:34 PM
(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
Basketball is a factor, but a smaller one. Maryland's biggest advantage had all to do with location (synergy with Penn State, close to Washington, and state wide following to at least decent extent in Maryland). I doubt basketball really was a big consideration.
I have a ton of respect for what Louiville has managed to do. Many of these moves are beyond anyones control, but Louiville managed to directly effect their own destiny. Look at the spot any time over the decade prior and look at the protfolio of what the ACC looked for and UConn was almost a shoe in. Louiville did amazing job to not only get themselves in the conversation, but actually choosen.
With that said, if Louiville didn't get that ACC invite, I think they'd be in the American for the next decade. They were acceptable as a replacement when the ACC needed a replacement, but the conference never would have gone to 16 for them and I don't think the Big 12 would have gone back to 12 for them either. Their short success and facilities is dwarfed by the fact they don't carry their state, are in a small metro area, aren't a traditional football power, and have mimimal natural recruiting grounds.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - Wilkie01 - 06-16-2014 10:23 PM
(06-16-2014 04:34 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
Basketball is a factor, but a smaller one. Maryland's biggest advantage had all to do with location (synergy with Penn State, close to Washington, and state wide following to at least decent extent in Maryland). I doubt basketball really was a big consideration.
I have a ton of respect for what Louiville has managed to do. Many of these moves are beyond anyones control, but Louiville managed to directly effect their own destiny. Look at the spot any time over the decade prior and look at the protfolio of what the ACC looked for and UConn was almost a shoe in. Louiville did amazing job to not only get themselves in the conversation, but actually choosen.
With that said, if Louiville didn't get that ACC invite, I think they'd be in the American for the next decade. They were acceptable as a replacement when the ACC needed a replacement, but the conference never would have gone to 16 for them and I don't think the Big 12 would have gone back to 12 for them either. Their short success and facilities is dwarfed by the fact they don't carry their state, are in a small metro area, aren't a traditional football power, and have mimimal natural recruiting grounds.
And OSU barely beat Louisville at home the last to times we played football there. Next time you will go down as we are noe fielding very much stronger teams.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - ohio1317 - 06-17-2014 12:22 AM
We'll see :)
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - john01992 - 06-17-2014 10:12 PM
(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
you are saying the b10 factored in BB when they passed on both KU and UCONN on multiple occasions?????
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - brista21 - 06-18-2014 09:15 AM
(06-17-2014 10:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
you are saying the b10 factored in BB when they passed on both KU and UCONN on multiple occasions?????
No john, and you know exactly what I'm getting across. BB is a major factor, but its not the main factor. Maryland has had football success and has the potential to have big football success. However, a side benefit that hits maybe the 3rd most important metric is that Maryland basketball has traditionally been very good. And being able to sell that against the conference's best teams is a big deal.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - john01992 - 06-18-2014 11:57 AM
(06-18-2014 09:15 AM)brista21 Wrote:(06-17-2014 10:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:(06-16-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:(06-15-2014 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: hell no.
1. time & time again realignment has proven that basketball does not matter. three elite basketball schools (KU, ville, & uconn) went through realignment getting rejected time & time again and the only one of those 3 schools that did in fact move up was because of the gift from UMD
2. the b10 was pretty clear about its intentions when they raided only nebraska putting KU in prime position to be picked up by the SEC and raided UMD/rutgers putting uconn in prime position to be picked up by the ACC.
Could not disagree more about this. Basketball is a very big driver for a conference with its own network. Maryland's tradition in basketball was definitely one of the drivers for their inclusion in the Big Ten and why leaving the ACC was something that caused an uproar. Being able to sell Maryland basketball against Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana, etc. on the Big Ten Network was a big deal for the Big Ten.
And Louisville is the rare school that is very good in every sport, that's why they were never going to be left behind anywhere. It may have taken Maryland moving for them to get the call up, but they were going to get the call sooner rather than later.
you are saying the b10 factored in BB when they passed on both KU and UCONN on multiple occasions?????
No john, and you know exactly what I'm getting across. BB is a major factor, but its not the main factor. Maryland has had football success and has the potential to have big football success. However, a side benefit that hits maybe the 3rd most important metric is that Maryland basketball has traditionally been very good. And being able to sell that against the conference's best teams is a big deal.
if BB was a factor louisville, uconn, and kansas would of done a lot better in realignment. while you can prop of UMD basketball all you want, in terms of the overall value of the school, most of it comes in areas other than basketball.
are you really trying to say that if a conference adds an all around quality school with multiple selling points, and just so happens to have somewhat decent BB, that BB suddenly becomes one of the top reasons that particular school was added????
the answer is hell no. i don't deny that UMD has decent BB, but the reality is that they had plenty of other area's they were strong in that sparked the interest of the B10. BB is the cherry on top of a damn good ice cream sunday
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - BruceMcF - 06-18-2014 11:23 PM
(06-18-2014 09:15 AM)brista21 Wrote: No john, and you know exactly what I'm getting across. BB is a major factor, but its not the main factor.How big a factor does something have to be to be a "major" factor?
At the level of the Big Ten, on the sports side its roughly 75% FB, 20% BB and 5% everything else, with that possibly being generous to everything else versus FB by one or two percentage points.
But also, for the Big Ten, its obviously not all about sports, since large, top tier Universities within their states have a complex mix of constituencies that they have to satisfy. For instance, the money a Big Ten University attracts from research grant funds are much bigger than the revenue that the Athletic Departments attract ... and it takes a fixed percentage of most of those research grant funds off the top, where by contrast most Big Ten schools subsidize sports as a necessary expense to maintain institutional visibility.
So keeping their high profile researchers happy is something else a University President has to worry about, generating constant scrapping and bickering about "the University does too much pandering to the athletic department", and adding a school like Maryland is great internal Public Relations that the conference is not just a football factory, but has top ranking academic credibility.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - brista21 - 06-19-2014 11:48 AM
(06-18-2014 11:23 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:(06-18-2014 09:15 AM)brista21 Wrote: No john, and you know exactly what I'm getting across. BB is a major factor, but its not the main factor.How big a factor does something have to be to be a "major" factor?
At the level of the Big Ten, on the sports side its roughly 75% FB, 20% BB and 5% everything else, with that possibly being generous to everything else versus FB by one or two percentage points.
But also, for the Big Ten, its obviously not all about sports, since large, top tier Universities within their states have a complex mix of constituencies that they have to satisfy. For instance, the money a Big Ten University attracts from research grant funds are much bigger than the revenue that the Athletic Departments attract ... and it takes a fixed percentage of most of those research grant funds off the top, where by contrast most Big Ten schools subsidize sports as a necessary expense to maintain institutional visibility.
So keeping their high profile researchers happy is something else a University President has to worry about, generating constant scrapping and bickering about "the University does too much pandering to the athletic department", and adding a school like Maryland is great internal Public Relations that the conference is not just a football factory, but has top ranking academic credibility.
I think the biggest concern in this expansion was expanding the footprint with similar institutions in faster growing, populous states along the East Coast. The schools either needed existing huge fanbases or the potential to develop them. Maryland and Rutgers obviously fit that bill. Football and then basketball were the other major concerns as with any conference realignment.
RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas? - BruceMcF - 06-20-2014 12:20 AM
(06-19-2014 11:48 AM)brista21 Wrote: I think the biggest concern in this expansion was expanding the footprint with similar institutions in faster growing, populous states along the East Coast. The schools either needed existing huge fanbases or the potential to develop them. Maryland and Rutgers obviously fit that bill. Football and then basketball were the other major concerns as with any conference realignment.Though its a conference, not a corporation, so the strategy that the conference commissioner thinks that the conference is pursuing is subject to getting the votes of the Presidents.
That's why academics acts more like a negative filter on what schools are taken out of consideration than a driver on what schools get voted in ... a big chunk of schools that were being tossed around in the past two or three years would be automatic "no" votes from the two academic snob schools, meaning it would have to be a very strong desire from the other Presidents to get them accepted.
Population growth ~ in terms of markets, in terms of the appeal of marketing other Big Ten Universities in growing areas, and in terms of recruiting grounds ~ that was a big factor among the positive drivers.