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Rank the ACC football coaches - marleycard - 06-04-2014 06:51 PM
Similar to the basketball thread, let's hear your rankings of ACC football coaches and why:
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Dave Doeren: NC State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame (optional, ha)
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Mike London: Virginia
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Chris02M - 06-04-2014 07:29 PM
my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - TerryD - 06-04-2014 09:19 PM
(06-04-2014 07:29 PM)Chris02M Wrote: my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
I concur.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - ClairtonPanther - 06-04-2014 09:19 PM
Jimbo FSU
Cutliff Duke
Dabo Clemson
Addazio BC
Petrino Louisville
Kelly ND
Beamer VT
Shafer Syracuse
Chryst Pitt
Fedora NC
Golden Miami
Johnson GT
Doeren NCSU
Clawson WF
London Virginia
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Sea Caster - 06-04-2014 09:54 PM
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State - NC, ACC titles, recruiting
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame - 2012 season, recruiting
Dabo Swinney: Clemson - recruiting, 2011-13 team performance
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech - sliding with each avg season
David Cutcliffe: Duke - consistently improved product each season
Bobby Petrino: Louisville - winner on the field only
Larry Fedora: North Carolina - improving product; momentum
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech - under-performing despite great fb state
Al Golden: Miami - no Coastal titles or wins vs FSU
Steve Addazio: Boston College - break thru 2013 w/minimal talent
Paul Chryst: Pitt - good 1st ACC showing
Scott Shafer: Syracuse - good 1st ACC showing
Mike London: Virginia - recruiting saves him from the basement
Dave Doeren: NC State - got to seem more than 0-8
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest - too early to tell
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - ecuacc4ever - 06-04-2014 10:23 PM
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
David Cutcliffe
and then the rest…
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - MKPitt - 06-04-2014 10:25 PM
I don't have enough of an opinion to rank them all but why are people ranking Paul Johnson in the middle, I think he's pretty clearly underperforming.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - omniorange - 06-04-2014 11:13 PM
(06-04-2014 06:51 PM)marleycard Wrote: Similar to the basketball thread, let's hear your rankings of ACC football coaches and why:
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Dave Doeren: NC State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame (optional, ha)
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Mike London: Virginia
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
Jimbo Fisher - FSU
Brian Kelly - ND
Frank Beamer - VT
Dabo Swinney - Clemson
Bobby Petrino - Louisville
David Cutliffe - Duke
Not sure much separates out the rest at this point in time.
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Hokie Mark - 06-05-2014 03:30 AM
(06-04-2014 09:54 PM)Sea Caster Wrote: Jimbo Fisher: Florida State - NC, ACC titles, recruiting
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame - 2012 season, recruiting
Dabo Swinney: Clemson - recruiting, 2011-13 team performance
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech - sliding with each avg season
David Cutcliffe: Duke - consistently improved product each season
Bobby Petrino: Louisville - winner on the field only
Larry Fedora: North Carolina - improving product; momentum
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech - under-performing despite great fb state
Al Golden: Miami - no Coastal titles or wins vs FSU
Steve Addazio: Boston College - break thru 2013 w/minimal talent
Paul Chryst: Pitt - good 1st ACC showing
Scott Shafer: Syracuse - good 1st ACC showing
Mike London: Virginia - recruiting saves him from the basement
Dave Doeren: NC State - got to seem more than 0-8
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest - too early to tell
+1. Hard to improve on this list order IMO.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - UofLCard94 - 06-05-2014 09:13 AM
(06-04-2014 07:29 PM)Chris02M Wrote: my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
Nice list.
I would move Petrino up a spot or two. If UofL has the year I hope they have that will prove itself out. If they have the year I expect them to have it is about right.
Might switch Swinney and Kelly. Just can't get 100% behind Kelly. I also like Fedora a spot or two higher as well.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - TerryD - 06-05-2014 10:32 AM
(06-05-2014 09:13 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote:(06-04-2014 07:29 PM)Chris02M Wrote: my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
Nice list.
I would move Petrino up a spot or two. If UofL has the year I hope they have that will prove itself out. If they have the year I expect them to have it is about right.
Might switch Swinney and Kelly. Just can't get 100% behind Kelly. I also like Fedora a spot or two higher as well.
Brian Kelly is 37-15 at ND, 21-5 the past two seasons (which includes a 12-0 regular season and a championship game appearance).
He was 34-6 at Cincinnati and 3x Big East Coach of the Year.
He took two different schools(Cincy, ND) to 12-0 regular season records in 4 years.
He had a winning record at Central Michigan, a team that had only won more than 3 games only once in the previous four years. He went 19-16.
He was 118-35-2 at Div. II Grand Valley State, with three national championship game appearances, two Division II national titles won, five conference titles and six Division II playoff appearances.
His total coaching record is 208-72-1.
He has won the following coaching awards:
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2009, 2012)
Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Football Writers Association of America Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Big East Coach of the Year (2007, 2008, 2009)
Unlike many of my fellow ND fans, I think that he is one hell of a football coach.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - UofLCard94 - 06-05-2014 11:42 AM
(06-05-2014 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:(06-05-2014 09:13 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote:(06-04-2014 07:29 PM)Chris02M Wrote: my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
Nice list.
I would move Petrino up a spot or two. If UofL has the year I hope they have that will prove itself out. If they have the year I expect them to have it is about right.
Might switch Swinney and Kelly. Just can't get 100% behind Kelly. I also like Fedora a spot or two higher as well.
Brian Kelly is 37-15 at ND, 21-5 the past two seasons (which includes a 12-0 regular season and a championship game appearance).
He was 34-6 at Cincinnati and 3x Big East Coach of the Year.
He took two different schools(Cincy, ND) to 12-0 regular season records in 4 years.
He had a winning record at Central Michigan, a team that had only won more than 3 games only once in the previous four years. He went 19-16.
He was 118-35-2 at Div. II Grand Valley State, with three national championship game appearances, two Division II national titles won, five conference titles and six Division II playoff appearances.
His total coaching record is 208-72-1.
He has won the following coaching awards:
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2009, 2012)
Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Football Writers Association of America Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Big East Coach of the Year (2007, 2008, 2009)
Unlike many of my fellow ND fans, I think that he is one hell of a football coach.
Don't get me wrong. I think he is a good coach. Just really expected more out of him (ND) at this point hence my comment of not 100% behind him. With ND's history and his background I feel he has under performed.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - TerryD - 06-05-2014 02:09 PM
(06-05-2014 11:42 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote:(06-05-2014 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:(06-05-2014 09:13 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote:(06-04-2014 07:29 PM)Chris02M Wrote: my humble opinion
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech
Bobby Petrino: Louisville
Dabo Swinney: Clemson
David Cutcliffe: Duke
Al Golden: Miami
Larry Fedora: North Carolina
Scott Shafer: Syracuse
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech
Steve Addazio: Boston College
Paul Chryst: Pitt
Mike London: Virginia
Dave Doeren: NC State
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest
Nice list.
I would move Petrino up a spot or two. If UofL has the year I hope they have that will prove itself out. If they have the year I expect them to have it is about right.
Might switch Swinney and Kelly. Just can't get 100% behind Kelly. I also like Fedora a spot or two higher as well.
Brian Kelly is 37-15 at ND, 21-5 the past two seasons (which includes a 12-0 regular season and a championship game appearance).
He was 34-6 at Cincinnati and 3x Big East Coach of the Year.
He took two different schools(Cincy, ND) to 12-0 regular season records in 4 years.
He had a winning record at Central Michigan, a team that had only won more than 3 games only once in the previous four years. He went 19-16.
He was 118-35-2 at Div. II Grand Valley State, with three national championship game appearances, two Division II national titles won, five conference titles and six Division II playoff appearances.
His total coaching record is 208-72-1.
He has won the following coaching awards:
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2009, 2012)
Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Football Writers Association of America Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Big East Coach of the Year (2007, 2008, 2009)
Unlike many of my fellow ND fans, I think that he is one hell of a football coach.
Don't get me wrong. I think he is a good coach. Just really expected more out of him (ND) at this point hence my comment of not 100% behind him. With ND's history and his background I feel he has under performed.
He actually ranks pretty well in the hierarchy of ND coaches. Here are the records and winning percentages of ND coaches for the last 100 years:
1913-1917 Jesse C. Harper 5 34 5 1 .863
1918-1930 Knute Rockne 13 105 12 5 *.881
1931-1933 Hunk Anderson 3 16 9 2 .630
1934-1940 Elmer Layden 7 47 13 3 .770
1941-1943; Frank Leahy
1946-1953 " " 11 87 11 9 *.855
1944 Ed McKeever 1 8 2 0 .800
1945; 1963 Hugh Devore 2 9 9 1 .500
1954-1958 Terry Brennan 5 32 18 0 .640
1959-1962 Joe Kuharich 4 17 23 0 .425
1964-1974 Ara Parseghian 11 95 17 4 .836
1975-1980 Dan Devine 6 53 16 1 .764
1981-1985 Gerry Faust 5 30 26 1 .535
1986-1996 Lou Holtz 11 100 30 2 .765
1997-2001 Bob Davie 5 35 25 0 .583
2002-2004 Tyrone Willingham 3 21 15 0 .583
2005-2009 Charlie Weis 5 35 27 0 .565
2010-now Brian Kelly 4 37 15 0 .712
TOTALS 125 874 305 42 .733
†Ties computed as half won, half lost
*The winning percentage of Knute Rockne and Frank Leahy rank one-two among all coaches according to NCAA figures, making them the two winningest coaches in college football history.
Leahy’s official NCAA mark is .864 on a 107-13-9 record that includes a 20-2 mark as Boston College head coach in 1939 and 1940.
So, Kelly is no Knute Rockne or Frank Leahy.
But, he stacks up fairly well versus Lou Holtz and Dan Devine (who have statues outside ND Stadium gates). This is especially true if you believe that the college football landscape (TV, recruiting, conference power, etc...) has shifted not in ND's favor since 1977, 1988 or even 1996.
One difference is that Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine and Holtz all won at least one national championship.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - UofLCard94 - 06-05-2014 03:24 PM
(06-05-2014 02:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:(06-05-2014 11:42 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote:(06-05-2014 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:(06-05-2014 09:13 AM)UofLCard94 Wrote: [quote='Chris02M' pid='10808706' dateline='1401928176']
my humble opinion
Nice list.
I would move Petrino up a spot or two. If UofL has the year I hope they have that will prove itself out. If they have the year I expect them to have it is about right.
Might switch Swinney and Kelly. Just can't get 100% behind Kelly. I also like Fedora a spot or two higher as well.
Brian Kelly is 37-15 at ND, 21-5 the past two seasons (which includes a 12-0 regular season and a championship game appearance).
He was 34-6 at Cincinnati and 3x Big East Coach of the Year.
He took two different schools(Cincy, ND) to 12-0 regular season records in 4 years.
He had a winning record at Central Michigan, a team that had only won more than 3 games only once in the previous four years. He went 19-16.
He was 118-35-2 at Div. II Grand Valley State, with three national championship game appearances, two Division II national titles won, five conference titles and six Division II playoff appearances.
His total coaching record is 208-72-1.
He has won the following coaching awards:
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2009, 2012)
Associated Press College Football Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Football Writers Association of America Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award (2012)
Big East Coach of the Year (2007, 2008, 2009)
Unlike many of my fellow ND fans, I think that he is one hell of a football coach.
Don't get me wrong. I think he is a good coach. Just really expected more out of him (ND) at this point hence my comment of not 100% behind him. With ND's history and his background I feel he has under performed.
He actually ranks pretty well in the hierarchy of ND coaches. Here are the records and winning percentages of ND coaches for the last 100 years:
1913-1917 Jesse C. Harper 5 34 5 1 .863
1918-1930 Knute Rockne 13 105 12 5 *.881
1931-1933 Hunk Anderson 3 16 9 2 .630
1934-1940 Elmer Layden 7 47 13 3 .770
1941-1943; Frank Leahy
1946-1953 " " 11 87 11 9 *.855
1944 Ed McKeever 1 8 2 0 .800
1945; 1963 Hugh Devore 2 9 9 1 .500
1954-1958 Terry Brennan 5 32 18 0 .640
1959-1962 Joe Kuharich 4 17 23 0 .425
1964-1974 Ara Parseghian 11 95 17 4 .836
1975-1980 Dan Devine 6 53 16 1 .764
1981-1985 Gerry Faust 5 30 26 1 .535
1986-1996 Lou Holtz 11 100 30 2 .765
1997-2001 Bob Davie 5 35 25 0 .583
2002-2004 Tyrone Willingham 3 21 15 0 .583
2005-2009 Charlie Weis 5 35 27 0 .565
2010-now Brian Kelly 4 37 15 0 .712
TOTALS 125 874 305 42 .733
†Ties computed as half won, half lost
*The winning percentage of Knute Rockne and Frank Leahy rank one-two among all coaches according to NCAA figures, making them the two winningest coaches in college football history.
Leahy’s official NCAA mark is .864 on a 107-13-9 record that includes a 20-2 mark as Boston College head coach in 1939 and 1940.
So, Kelly is no Knute Rockne or Frank Leahy.
But, he stacks up fairly well versus Lou Holtz and Dan Devine (who have statues outside ND Stadium gates). This is especially true if you believe that the college football landscape (TV, recruiting, conference power, etc...) has shifted not in ND's favor since 1977, 1988 or even 1996.
One difference is that Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine and Holtz all won at least one national championship.
Hmmmmmm Interesting stats
How about this then. You should feel good that a non-ND fan is expecting more of your coach and team. Just my view. More on perception/expectation than actual stats. If you like him, great.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Wilkie01 - 06-05-2014 06:25 PM
Jimbo FSU
Dabo Clemson
Petrino Louisville
Kelly ND
Beamer VT
Addazio BC
Cutliff Duke
Shafer Syracuse
Chryst Pitt
Fedora NC
Golden Miami
Johnson GT
Doeren NCSU
Clawson WF
London Virginia
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - opossum - 06-05-2014 08:18 PM
(06-05-2014 03:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(06-04-2014 09:54 PM)Sea Caster Wrote: Jimbo Fisher: Florida State - NC, ACC titles, recruiting
Brian Kelly: Notre Dame - 2012 season, recruiting
Dabo Swinney: Clemson - recruiting, 2011-13 team performance
Frank Beamer: Virginia Tech - sliding with each avg season
David Cutcliffe: Duke - consistently improved product each season
Bobby Petrino: Louisville - winner on the field only
Larry Fedora: North Carolina - improving product; momentum
Paul Johnson: Georgia Tech - under-performing despite great fb state
Al Golden: Miami - no Coastal titles or wins vs FSU
Steve Addazio: Boston College - break thru 2013 w/minimal talent
Paul Chryst: Pitt - good 1st ACC showing
Scott Shafer: Syracuse - good 1st ACC showing
Mike London: Virginia - recruiting saves him from the basement
Dave Doeren: NC State - got to seem more than 0-8
Dave Clawson: Wake Forest - too early to tell
+1. Hard to improve on this list order IMO.
Sounds about right to me too.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Marge Schott - 06-05-2014 08:54 PM
Things I know:
1. Kelly isn't an ACC coach.
2. London is by far the worst ACC coach. He's actually had time to prove his worth and failed miserably.
3. Doeren, Clawson, Shafer, Chryst and Fedora haven't been at their current schools long enough to prove themselves. Though 3 of them were successful at mid-major schools, that doesn't really mean much. London was a national champion coach at FCS.
4. Addazio and Johnson are meh. Not awful. Just never going to be program-changing.
5. Fisher and Petrino are the only two clear top coaches.
6. Swinney, Beamer and Cutcliffe are pretty good as well. But Grobe was considered arguably the ACC's best at one time, too (Cutcliffe).
7. Golden is a step above meh but a step below pretty good.
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Maize - 06-05-2014 10:06 PM
1. Jimbo Fisher Florida State
2. Dabo Swinney Clemson
3. Bob Petrino Louisville
4. Frank Beamer Virginia Tech
5. David Cutcliffe Duke
6. Al Golden Miami
7. Scott Shafer Syracuse
8. Steve Addazio Boston College
9. Larry Fedora North Carolina
10 Paul Chryst Pitt
The Rest
Brian Kelly coaches an Indy...
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - TerryD - 06-06-2014 06:49 AM
I agree that Kelly isn't an ACC coach. ND is a football independent. You guys seem to agree with that.
Just remember that the next time someone wants to say "ND really isn't an independent." :)
RE: Rank the ACC football coaches - Marge Schott - 06-06-2014 06:51 PM
I never say ND isn't an independent. They are. I'm not sure they will be in 3 decades, but for now they are. Their ACC "agreement" isn't much different than them agreeing to play Stanford, USC and Navy for the next 15 years, too.
But it also isn't much different than a 5/8 ACC schedule.