(04-01-2014 07:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  "But numbers from the RAND Corporation study reportedly suggest just 23 percent of enrollees had no insurance previously. Further, the study reveals about just 53 percent of previously uninsured Americans have actually paid for their new plans."

"“If those numbers hold, the actual net gain of paid policies among Americans who lacked medical insurance in the pre-Obamacare days would be just 858,298,” the Daily Mail reports."



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/01/the-secretive-obamacare-study-that-may-reveal-how-many-previously-uninsured-americans-have-actually-paid-for-a-plan/

(04-01-2014 07:56 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  1 Million extra people with insurance is a good thing, but at what cost?




Fun with Math:

858,298 people
$2 Trillion over 10 years


$233,000 per person, per year (CBO).
PLUS:
2.3 Million jobs (CBO)



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-s-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion_778723.html

Quote:How many have paid?" (Also known as "The statistics are full of deadbeats"): We examined this argument a few days ago. We observed that the concern is probably exaggerated and certainly premature, since many people who enrolled late in the cycle, including those in the March surge, may not have payments due for as much as six weeks after enrollment. Many haven't even received their first monthly premium bill yet.

Quote:If getting health coverage for the uninsured is the primary goal of Obamacare, then New York and Kentucky seem to be doing more than their fair share of that work.

In Kentucky, 75 percent of the nearly 65,000 people who enrolled in private Obamacare insurance sold on the state-run exchange were uninsured at the time they enrolled, according to questionnaires they filled out when they applied. And 75 percent of people who enrolled in Medicaid via the exchange likewise had been uninsured.

In New York, 59 percent of the nearly 343,000 private Obamacare plan enrollees reported being uninsured when they picked their plans. And 90 percent of the Medicaid enrollments via the state's exchange reported having been uninsured.

(04-02-2014 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The only two states that ask whether people signing up were previously insured, Kentucky and New York, report their previous uninsured rates at 75% and 59%, which calls into question the numbers in the first post to say the least.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101523615

Quote:If getting health coverage for the uninsured is the primary goal of Obamacare, then New York and Kentucky seem to be doing more than their fair share of that work.

In Kentucky, 75 percent of the nearly 65,000 people who enrolled in private Obamacare insurance sold on the state-run exchange were uninsured at the time they enrolled, according to questionnaires they filled out when they applied. And 75 percent of people who enrolled in Medicaid via the exchange likewise had been uninsured.

In New York, 59 percent of the nearly 343,000 private Obamacare plan enrollees reported being uninsured when they picked their plans. And 90 percent of the Medicaid enrollments via the state's exchange reported having been uninsured.

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)Max Power Wrote:  The late surge was driven by young procrastinators and they should boost the previously uninsured rate. I also suspect some sloppy reporting here,

(04-02-2014 09:51 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The only two states that ask whether people signing up were previously insured, Kentucky and New York, report their previous uninsured rates at 75% and 59%, which calls into question the numbers in the first post to say the least.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101523615

Quote:If getting health coverage for the uninsured is the primary goal of Obamacare, then New York and Kentucky seem to be doing more than their fair share of that work.

In Kentucky, 75 percent of the nearly 65,000 people who enrolled in private Obamacare insurance sold on the state-run exchange were uninsured at the time they enrolled, according to questionnaires they filled out when they applied. And 75 percent of people who enrolled in Medicaid via the exchange likewise had been uninsured.

In New York, 59 percent of the nearly 343,000 private Obamacare plan enrollees reported being uninsured when they picked their plans. And 90 percent of the Medicaid enrollments via the state's exchange reported having been uninsured.

In the 3rd most populous state, NY, 202k newly insured signed up. They have 19,651,000 people, which amounts to a 1% increase in insured...

NY's share of the 2 Trillion over 10 years (by population %) = $124 BILLION.
Divided by 10 years
Divided by 202k newly insured

GRAND TOTAL = $62000 PER PERSON PER YEAR best case scenario.


How can that be considered a success?

(04-02-2014 10:25 AM)Max Power Wrote:  What if we find he's a secret Muslim who ordered the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and Osama is actually alive and holed up in the Diplomatic Room of the White House?

(04-02-2014 10:07 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're forgetting Medicaid. You're forgetting to account for the fact even those previously insured are receiving many new protections from the law like for instance they can't be dropped when they get sick. You're forgetting that there are revenue mechanisms in the bill to offset expenses. You're forgetting that the CBO, which was on target with the 7 million projection, also projects we'll hit 22 million in 2 years. You're forgetting all this, giving you the benefit if the doubt.

(04-02-2014 12:05 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  I simply did the math that took those things out of the argument.

(04-02-2014 12:18 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:05 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  I simply did the math that took those things out of the argument.

Then that's bad math.