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Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Indiana Bones - 03-16-2014 04:07 PM
Seem's like St. Joes, VCU, St. Louis, UMass, Dayton & perhaps even GW would effectively cut the head off of the A-10. Moreover, those schools seem like a nice fit geographically, competitively & culturally. It would also make the Big East about as big as it was last year and a league that would expect to get 7-10 teams in the Big Dance every year.
Please excuse an uneducated ECU fan that's just curious. I may be a neophyte to the Big East's focus or longterm agenda, but from the outside looking in, it ostensibly seems like an A-10 raid would be a smart move. Effectively destroy the biggest competition (as far as non-football conferences go) and it would certainly strengthen the league overall.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - carolinaknights - 03-16-2014 04:32 PM
Raids are over for now.
B-10 - takes a few years to incorporate Rutgers and Maryland
ACC - Stable
P-12 - Stable
SEC - Stable
B-12 - Stable and happy with current TV contract.
AAC - stable for now waiting for Navy in in 2015. No reason to expand or make any move unless raided or until short term TV contract is up.
BE - stable and happy with their current contract. No reason to expand at this time.
Everyone else sits and waits until they are raided again.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - xusandy - 03-16-2014 05:22 PM
:stirthepot:The Big E has no real need to expand at present. This has been a very competitive first season, and most of the 10 clubs appear (on paper at least) to be on upward talent swings for next year. So I'd think these 10 schools are pretty happy about how things seem to be working out. St. Louis would add a major media market to the mix, which FOX might pay for, but then again the "obvious" Billiken addition might not increase the media pie enough to justify it. And 11 is a bit awkward for scheduling reasons, and so it raises the question of who would they grab for #12. Dayton has great fan support but not much of a media market, and one that overlaps with Xavier a bit. Richmond might even be seen as a better choice as Dayton (expands the footprint, not as much market overlap), but the other potential A-10 candidates give either TOTAL media market overlap (St. Joes, GW) or are poor institutional fits (VCU and UMass have neither a "values" orientation nor that "smaller, private, academic focus" the entire league has and seems to want.) The Big East might also think about expanding the media footprint advantageously by taking Detroit, a true New England school (BU?), or even Canisius (Buffalo) or Sienna (Albany). All those are smaller, private, academic and "values" oriented, but none bring a decent fan base, any national interest, or even a consistently competitive team into the mix. So my guess is that the Big E stays at 10 for next year unless FOX really, really wants more games to show. And I think that's rather unlikely.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - john01992 - 03-16-2014 06:34 PM
while I do believe that the A-10 can indeed challenge and pose a threat to the Big East, I don't think the $$$ will warrant the move. BE is the highest paid BB only conference and there is no "this program is so good we absolutely must get them" type program out there.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - C2__ - 03-16-2014 09:40 PM
XUSandy, Detroit has some history. I think they'd be a solid fit.
Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - chargeradio - 03-16-2014 09:55 PM
Out of the current A-10, only Rhode Island, Duquesne, and Fordham have not made the tournament since 2011. Dayton may be the hotter team now, but Richmond isn't that far removed from its last NCAA berth.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - David Krysakowski - 03-17-2014 03:40 AM
This is what I would like to see:
Big East: Drexel, Duquesne, Fordham, Georgetown, George Washington, La Salle, Providence, Richmond, Saint Bonaventure, Saint John's, Seton Hall, Villanova
Pioneer League: Butler, Creighton, Dayton, De Paul, Marquette, Saint Louis, Valparaiso, Xavier
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - BamaScorpio69 - 03-24-2014 06:02 PM
The A-10 needs to regotiate their current TV deal because they are getting screwed. Who is the A-10 commish?
Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Flying Bearcat - 03-25-2014 01:53 PM
(03-24-2014 06:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: The A-10 needs to regotiate their current TV deal because they are getting screwed. Who is the A-10 commish?
Bernadette McGlade to answer your question.
Yes, I think the A-10 is screwed from a TV stand point. As a Dayton fan and student, only half of their
away games can
be viewed on TV. I think considering we put in at least 4 teams in the tourney on a regular basis would game us some more national exposer. I think that the A-10 should take a few lessons from the AAC deal. Put have the ESPN 3 games sold to CBS Sports Network. That way, we can view more games. As a UC fan, it works out great because I know all of the conference games will be on TV and no matter where I am at, I can always watch them.
Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Flying Bearcat - 03-25-2014 01:55 PM
(03-25-2014 01:53 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:(03-24-2014 06:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: The A-10 needs to regotiate their current TV deal because they are getting screwed. Who is the A-10 commish?
Bernadette McGlade to answer your question.
Yes, I think the A-10 is screwed from a TV stand point. As a Dayton fan and student, only half of their
away games can
be viewed on TV. I think considering we put in at least 4 teams in the tourney on a regular basis would game us some more national exposer. I think that the A-10 should take a few lessons from the AAC deal. Put have the ESPN 3 games sold to CBS Sports Network. That way, we can view more games. As a UC fan, it works out great because I know all of the conference games will be on TV and no matter where I am at, I can always watch them.
And no, we don't get SNY in Dayton.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - billyjack - 03-25-2014 02:42 PM
Small sample size, but:
Of the 17 votes, 4 were from Big East fans.
Each of the 4 BE votes were "no", don't raid and kill the A-10.
Actually:
Of the 8 "no" votes (don't raid A-10):
4 were from current Big East schools, and
3 were former Big East schools (2 SU, 1 WVa), and
1 was UCF.
Of the 9 "yes" votes (to raid and kill the A-10):
6 are American AAC schools.
1 Mountain West.
1 ACC.
1 unknown.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - IceJus10 - 03-27-2014 03:14 PM
Who cares who votes?
If it weren't for the posters posting cross conferences - there would be little to no discussion on this board. Embrace people who are invested enough to give their opinions and discuss, don't marginalize them because they aren't BEast fans first.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - MUAvalanche - 03-27-2014 03:40 PM
(03-27-2014 03:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: Who cares who votes?
If it weren't for the posters posting cross conferences - there would be little to no discussion on this board. Embrace people who are invested enough to give their opinions and discuss, don't marginalize them because they aren't BEast fans first.
I think the voting shows where perceptions lie. Based on the voting, from the outside, the thought after a down year is that expansion is the answer. Even internally among BE fans, as seen on other message boards, there is a culture clash. Some are for getting to 12 now, and some are for waiting and keeping the round robin.
I think the BE needs to stay as is for a couple more seasons and then decide. This has been one season. Take some time. In its second season, the 16 team BE got only 6 teams in the tournament (under 40%).
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - billyjack - 03-27-2014 04:28 PM
(03-27-2014 03:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: Who cares who votes?
If it weren't for the posters posting cross conferences - there would be little to no discussion on this board. Embrace people who are invested enough to give their opinions and discuss, don't marginalize them because they aren't BEast fans first.
No criticism at all.
Just noticing that Big East and former BE fans seem to have no interest in crushing the A-10. Meanwhile, non-Big East fans think we should go ahead and destroy the A-10.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Marge Schott - 03-27-2014 11:45 PM
(03-25-2014 02:42 PM)billyjack Wrote: Small sample size, but:
Of the 17 votes, 4 were from Big East fans.
Each of the 4 BE votes were "no", don't raid and kill the A-10.
Actually:
Of the 8 "no" votes (don't raid A-10):
4 were from current Big East schools, and
3 were former Big East schools (2 SU, 1 WVa), and
1 was UCF.
Of the 9 "yes" votes (to raid and kill the A-10):
6 are American AAC schools.
1 Mountain West.
1 ACC.
1 unknown.
If I'm the unknown, I am not a "fan" of any conference per se. I like Florida State and Dayton, but I don't care about their conferences' well-being as long as the schools themselves are positioned well.
If I was looking at the poll question from a Big East perspective - which I was, I would want to maim my nearest competitor in terms of quality and geography. That's what the ACC did to the Big East and that was without a doubt the right move for the ACC and has thus far worked out quite well.
I get that perhaps right now might not be the best time to make this move financially for the Big East, but it should definitely be something that's highly prioritized in the coming years once the new tv contracts have settled for a bit and FS1 gets more carriage.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Marge Schott - 03-27-2014 11:47 PM
(03-27-2014 04:28 PM)billyjack Wrote:(03-27-2014 03:14 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: Who cares who votes?
If it weren't for the posters posting cross conferences - there would be little to no discussion on this board. Embrace people who are invested enough to give their opinions and discuss, don't marginalize them because they aren't BEast fans first.
No criticism at all.
Just noticing that Big East and former BE fans seem to have no interest in crushing the A-10. Meanwhile, non-Big East fans think we should go ahead and destroy the A-10.
I think the only reason Big East fans don't want to further raid the A-10 is because of money. If you thought about it objectively, you'd all conclude adding more teams is in the best long-term interest of the conference.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - DexterDevil - 03-28-2014 08:20 AM
If teams like Dayton, St. Louis, Valpo, and specially Detroit were in the Big East you better bet I'd watch every game on tv due to interest in the league.
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - billyjack - 03-28-2014 09:58 AM
(03-27-2014 11:45 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:(03-25-2014 02:42 PM)billyjack Wrote: Small sample size, but:
Of the 17 votes, 4 were from Big East fans.
Each of the 4 BE votes were "no", don't raid and kill the A-10.
Actually:
Of the 8 "no" votes (don't raid A-10):
4 were from current Big East schools, and
3 were former Big East schools (2 SU, 1 WVa), and
1 was UCF.
Of the 9 "yes" votes (to raid and kill the A-10):
6 are American AAC schools.
1 Mountain West.
1 ACC.
1 unknown.
If I'm the unknown, I am not a "fan" of any conference per se. I like Florida State and Dayton, but I don't care about their conferences' well-being as long as the schools themselves are positioned well.
If I was looking at the poll question from a Big East perspective - which I was, I would want to maim my nearest competitor in terms of quality and geography. That's what the ACC did to the Big East and that was without a doubt the right move for the ACC and has thus far worked out quite well.
I get that perhaps right now might not be the best time to make this move financially for the Big East, but it should definitely be something that's highly prioritized in the coming years once the new tv contracts have settled for a bit and FS1 gets more carriage.
The ACC saw that the Big East was dominating on most levels, so they looked to destroy it.
The Big East doesn't see the A-10 as a threat, so the BE isn't going to try to break the league just because it's breakable, like Gordon Gecko 1987.
The 10 of us are good together. If expansion would strengthen the league, then the BE will do that. There are excellent schools that might be interested. Splitting money between 12 teams isn't an issue, because the Fox agreement bumps the deal to pay every team the same amount... the $50 million per year would increase to $60 million a year... we'd all still get $5 million per year.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - stever20 - 03-28-2014 12:21 PM
(03-28-2014 09:58 AM)billyjack Wrote:(03-27-2014 11:45 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:(03-25-2014 02:42 PM)billyjack Wrote: Small sample size, but:
Of the 17 votes, 4 were from Big East fans.
Each of the 4 BE votes were "no", don't raid and kill the A-10.
Actually:
Of the 8 "no" votes (don't raid A-10):
4 were from current Big East schools, and
3 were former Big East schools (2 SU, 1 WVa), and
1 was UCF.
Of the 9 "yes" votes (to raid and kill the A-10):
6 are American AAC schools.
1 Mountain West.
1 ACC.
1 unknown.
If I'm the unknown, I am not a "fan" of any conference per se. I like Florida State and Dayton, but I don't care about their conferences' well-being as long as the schools themselves are positioned well.
If I was looking at the poll question from a Big East perspective - which I was, I would want to maim my nearest competitor in terms of quality and geography. That's what the ACC did to the Big East and that was without a doubt the right move for the ACC and has thus far worked out quite well.
I get that perhaps right now might not be the best time to make this move financially for the Big East, but it should definitely be something that's highly prioritized in the coming years once the new tv contracts have settled for a bit and FS1 gets more carriage.
The ACC saw that the Big East was dominating on most levels, so they looked to destroy it.
The Big East doesn't see the A-10 as a threat, so the BE isn't going to try to break the league just because it's breakable, like Gordon Gecko 1987.
The 10 of us are good together. If expansion would strengthen the league, then the BE will do that. There are excellent schools that might be interested. Splitting money between 12 teams isn't an issue, because the Fox agreement bumps the deal to pay every team the same amount... the $50 million per year would increase to $60 million a year... we'd all still get $5 million per year.
Isn't it 500 million for 12 years, or 41.7 per year(4.17 mil)? It'd go up to 600 million for 12 years- or 50 per year(same 4.17 mil per school).
Where extra teams could help is extra tourney units. This is something that is going to be interesting...
this year, we're getting paid for 35 units
next year, 34 units
2016 27+ # of units for the 2015 tourney
2017 23+ 2015/16 tourney
2018 17+ 2015/17 tourney
2019 12+ 2015/18 tourney
2020 6+ 2015/19 tourney
right now units are roughly 250k. So this year we're getting 8.75 million in NCAA money. Next year 8.5 million.
RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition? - Marge Schott - 03-28-2014 03:16 PM
(03-28-2014 09:58 AM)billyjack Wrote:(03-27-2014 11:45 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:(03-25-2014 02:42 PM)billyjack Wrote: Small sample size, but:
Of the 17 votes, 4 were from Big East fans.
Each of the 4 BE votes were "no", don't raid and kill the A-10.
Actually:
Of the 8 "no" votes (don't raid A-10):
4 were from current Big East schools, and
3 were former Big East schools (2 SU, 1 WVa), and
1 was UCF.
Of the 9 "yes" votes (to raid and kill the A-10):
6 are American AAC schools.
1 Mountain West.
1 ACC.
1 unknown.
If I'm the unknown, I am not a "fan" of any conference per se. I like Florida State and Dayton, but I don't care about their conferences' well-being as long as the schools themselves are positioned well.
If I was looking at the poll question from a Big East perspective - which I was, I would want to maim my nearest competitor in terms of quality and geography. That's what the ACC did to the Big East and that was without a doubt the right move for the ACC and has thus far worked out quite well.
I get that perhaps right now might not be the best time to make this move financially for the Big East, but it should definitely be something that's highly prioritized in the coming years once the new tv contracts have settled for a bit and FS1 gets more carriage.
The ACC saw that the Big East was dominating on most levels[/b], so they looked to destroy it.
The Big East doesn't see the A-10 as a threat, so the BE isn't going to try to break the league just because it's breakable, like Gordon Gecko 1987.
The 10 of us are good together. If expansion would strengthen the league, then the BE will do that. There are excellent schools that might be interested. Splitting money between 12 teams isn't an issue, because the Fox agreement bumps the deal to pay every team the same amount... the $50 million per year would increase to $60 million a year... we'd all still get $5 million per year.
o.k.