(02-01-2014 04:06 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  We are what we are. Not good enough.

(02-01-2014 04:15 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  The same things are said every year.


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(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

(02-01-2014 04:19 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  At least we get a chance for the upset.

(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

(02-01-2014 04:26 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

Our program SHOULD be 'big time'. It really should. Local talent, great facilities, lots of $$$, great support. Instead, we poke around the edges of the top-25 and then when we play a 'big time' opponent, it's usually (as in 2-15) a loss for the Tigers. Cal made us big time and we WON big time games with some regularity (although not until Cal's 5th year). It was fun watching us (a) be in big time games and (b) WIN them. SMU is a very solid team and it goes without saying that Larry Brown is a great coach. But still, it would be fun to stay in the top-25 for an entire season....for a change.

Hopefully we will be in the Sweet Sixteen THIS year, if not, things do not look so good for next year when we lose our 4 guards. Asking for a Sweet 16 once every other year is NOT an unreasonable demand given what we pay, our facilities, our support, our local talent. Instead, it looks like we might get to a Sweet Sixteen once every 6-7 years and that is NOT a Big time program.

(02-01-2014 04:35 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:26 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

Our program SHOULD be 'big time'. It really should. Local talent, great facilities, lots of $$$, great support. Instead, we poke around the edges of the top-25 and then when we play a 'big time' opponent, it's usually (as in 2-15) a loss for the Tigers. Cal made us big time and we WON big time games with some regularity (although not until Cal's 5th year). It was fun watching us (a) be in big time games and (b) WIN them. SMU is a very solid team and it goes without saying that Larry Brown is a great coach. But still, it would be fun to stay in the top-25 for an entire season....for a change.

Hopefully we will be in the Sweet Sixteen THIS year, if not, things do not look so good for next year when we lose our 4 guards. Asking for a Sweet 16 once every other year is NOT an unreasonable demand given what we pay, our facilities, our support, our local talent. Instead, it looks like we might get to a Sweet Sixteen once every 6-7 years and that is NOT a Big time program.

We're 11-deep with top 100 players... and a good half of those are top 50. By the books, we are one of the top 5 talented teams in the country. It should be coming together by now. The first 10 minutes of the second half, it was like we were Division 2. I honestly don't know how we can lose it so completely for so long.

(02-01-2014 04:49 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:35 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:26 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

Our program SHOULD be 'big time'. It really should. Local talent, great facilities, lots of $$$, great support. Instead, we poke around the edges of the top-25 and then when we play a 'big time' opponent, it's usually (as in 2-15) a loss for the Tigers. Cal made us big time and we WON big time games with some regularity (although not until Cal's 5th year). It was fun watching us (a) be in big time games and (b) WIN them. SMU is a very solid team and it goes without saying that Larry Brown is a great coach. But still, it would be fun to stay in the top-25 for an entire season....for a change.

Hopefully we will be in the Sweet Sixteen THIS year, if not, things do not look so good for next year when we lose our 4 guards. Asking for a Sweet 16 once every other year is NOT an unreasonable demand given what we pay, our facilities, our support, our local talent. Instead, it looks like we might get to a Sweet Sixteen once every 6-7 years and that is NOT a Big time program.

We're 11-deep with top 100 players... and a good half of those are top 50. By the books, we are one of the top 5 talented teams in the country. It should be coming together by now. The first 10 minutes of the second half, it was like we were Division 2. I honestly don't know how we can lose it so completely for so long.

I think that's why it is so frustrating to be a Tiger BB fan. We KNOW we are underachieving. I could understand CJP's first 2-3 years and at least he has shown some year-by-year improvement. I honestly thought THIS was the year that we were big time. Instead, it just looks like more of the same (a) high pre-season ranking based upon the 'books' (as in top 100 players) and (b) losing to good schools that are solid, but not big time and © the occasional blow out. The ONLY difference is this year we've actually beaten some top-25 teams and have some quality wins (Ok.State/Louisville).

I give CJP a chance to get us into the Sweet Sixteen THIS year. If not, he's gonna have to show us something special next year or it may be time to look elsewhere.

We are in a conference with UConn/UC/SMU (who is quite solid with Larry Brown) and Temple (bad this year, but tons of local talent so they can be good/bad depending on the year). We pay BIG TIME $$$, we have big time facilities and big time support and big time local talent. There are simply no more excuses.

(02-01-2014 04:23 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:19 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  At least we get a chance for the upset.

Sad, but true.

Honestly, if we manage to lose to Gonzaga on our home floor (which I don't think will happen), I think I'll finally be open to the idea of a change. Today's curb-stomping was more disappointing to me than even the Oklahoma State loss.

(02-01-2014 05:07 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:49 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:35 PM)tigers1985 Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:26 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 04:18 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm more disappointed that we won't be ranked for our ESPN Gameday showdown against Gonzaga.

That should have been a big-time national game between two ranked opponents.

Our program SHOULD be 'big time'. It really should. Local talent, great facilities, lots of $$$, great support. Instead, we poke around the edges of the top-25 and then when we play a 'big time' opponent, it's usually (as in 2-15) a loss for the Tigers. Cal made us big time and we WON big time games with some regularity (although not until Cal's 5th year). It was fun watching us (a) be in big time games and (b) WIN them. SMU is a very solid team and it goes without saying that Larry Brown is a great coach. But still, it would be fun to stay in the top-25 for an entire season....for a change.

Hopefully we will be in the Sweet Sixteen THIS year, if not, things do not look so good for next year when we lose our 4 guards. Asking for a Sweet 16 once every other year is NOT an unreasonable demand given what we pay, our facilities, our support, our local talent. Instead, it looks like we might get to a Sweet Sixteen once every 6-7 years and that is NOT a Big time program.

We're 11-deep with top 100 players... and a good half of those are top 50. By the books, we are one of the top 5 talented teams in the country. It should be coming together by now. The first 10 minutes of the second half, it was like we were Division 2. I honestly don't know how we can lose it so completely for so long.

I think that's why it is so frustrating to be a Tiger BB fan. We KNOW we are underachieving. I could understand CJP's first 2-3 years and at least he has shown some year-by-year improvement. I honestly thought THIS was the year that we were big time. Instead, it just looks like more of the same (a) high pre-season ranking based upon the 'books' (as in top 100 players) and (b) losing to good schools that are solid, but not big time and © the occasional blow out. The ONLY difference is this year we've actually beaten some top-25 teams and have some quality wins (Ok.State/Louisville).

I give CJP a chance to get us into the Sweet Sixteen THIS year. If not, he's gonna have to show us something special next year or it may be time to look elsewhere.

We are in a conference with UConn/UC/SMU (who is quite solid with Larry Brown) and Temple (bad this year, but tons of local talent so they can be good/bad depending on the year). We pay BIG TIME $$$, we have big time facilities and big time support and big time local talent. There are simply no more excuses.

We may not make the tourney next year.